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"The various Marine Chapters" got supplements that stripped their characters out of the codex...

Not sure why people think you're going to get the "Marine Supplements". You're likely going to see:
-Updated Shadowsun rules(she has different weapons at least)
-"Create Your Own Sept" rules
-Some additional stratagems.

 Mr Morden wrote:

JSG wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Greater Good reveal tomorrow, according to GW on FB.

But... Tau aren't Marines.

That won't stop xenos players claiming they are. This PA won't count just like Phoenix Rising didn't.

So do you believe that the Tau will get a full supplement like the various Marine Chapters has? Ir is it a mainly name pages......

The "Shadowsun" model looks ok I guess - although a new different name character would have been nice.

Tau will likely get some relics, some stratigiums a list of names etc. the useal supplement level support everyone has been getting.

 Mr Morden wrote:

JSG wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Greater Good reveal tomorrow, according to GW on FB.

But... Tau aren't Marines.

That won't stop xenos players claiming they are. This PA won't count just like Phoenix Rising didn't.

So do you believe that the Tau will get a full supplement like the various Marine Chapters has? Ir is it a mainly name pages......

The "Shadowsun" model looks ok I guess - although a new different name character would have been nice.

No tau won't be getting a supplement and they really shouldn't be. Supplement level content is fine though.

 Kanluwen wrote:
I love how the automatic assumption is "tHeRe hAs tO bE a MaRiNe fAcTiOn!!1!!" in The Greater Good.

Cause we totally don't have room for another Xenos vs Xenos book, ala Phoenix Rising right? Totally no room for Farsight vs Tau!

There does not HAVE to be a marine faction, but rumor has it that its DG VS Tau.
Total guess as far as I'm concerned, but not too far-fetched.

Farsight VS Tau though? that would make no sense. the enclaves are not in war with the empire, in fact in face of greater danger the two cooperate.

 BoomWolf wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
I love how the automatic assumption is "tHeRe hAs tO bE a MaRiNe fAcTiOn!!1!!" in The Greater Good.

Cause we totally don't have room for another Xenos vs Xenos book, ala Phoenix Rising right? Totally no room for Farsight vs Tau!

There does not HAVE to be a marine faction, but rumor has it that its DG VS Tau.
Total guess as far as I'm concerned, but not too far-fetched.

Farsight VS Tau though? that would make no sense. the enclaves are not in war with the empire, in fact in face of greater danger the two cooperate.

looks like it'll be Tau vs GSCs given the new picture someone posted.

 BoomWolf wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
I love how the automatic assumption is "tHeRe hAs tO bE a MaRiNe fAcTiOn!!1!!" in The Greater Good.

Cause we totally don't have room for another Xenos vs Xenos book, ala Phoenix Rising right? Totally no room for Farsight vs Tau!

There does not HAVE to be a marine faction, but rumor has it that its DG VS Tau.
Total guess as far as I'm concerned, but not too far-fetched.

Farsight VS Tau though? that would make no sense. the enclaves are not in war with the empire, in fact in face of greater danger the two cooperate.

A Marine Chapter is most likely - three way fight between Chaos one and a Loyal one against the Tau possibly. That way we can have lots of new Marine rules.....

A conflict between Farsignt Enclave and the Empire is not that unlikely, especially if certain Ethereals are as stupid and provocative as they are in the lore. The enclave is a constant dagger in the side of their whole society needing the ruling body to survive. If they have a period of relative peace, they are likely to try and elminate them or at least Farsight so they can go in and save the day and take it over again. The Tau are no less liekly to splinter than any other faction. Gw broke an entire Craftworld - a civil war between the Tau would give them new options......

No tau won't be getting a supplement and they really shouldn't be. Supplement level content is fine though.

yeah cos only Marines diserve that level of support in actual Supplements and pretend campaign packs How many have they had now?

looks like it'll be Tau vs GSCs given the new picture someone posted.

That would be interesting - we know that there are cults active in the Empire - both from GSC codex and BL novels. If they can infect an Ethereal - that would be major.

 Mr Morden wrote:

 BoomWolf wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
I love how the automatic assumption is "tHeRe hAs tO bE a MaRiNe fAcTiOn!!1!!" in The Greater Good.

Cause we totally don't have room for another Xenos vs Xenos book, ala Phoenix Rising right? Totally no room for Farsight vs Tau!

There does not HAVE to be a marine faction, but rumor has it that its DG VS Tau.
Total guess as far as I'm concerned, but not too far-fetched.

Farsight VS Tau though? that would make no sense. the enclaves are not in war with the empire, in fact in face of greater danger the two cooperate.

A Marine Chapter is most likely - of a Chaos one and a Loyal one against the Tau possibly.

A conflict between Farsignt Enclave and the Empire is not that unlikely, especially if certain etherials are as stupid and provative as they are in the lore. The enclave is a constant dagger in the side of their whole society needing the ruling body to survive. If they have a period of relative peace, they are likely to try and elminate them or at least Farsight so they can go in and save the day and take it over again. The Tau are no less liekly to splinter than any other faction. Gw broke an entire Craftworld - a civil war between the Tau would give them new options......

No tau won't be getting a supplement and they really shouldn't be. Supplement level content is fine though.

yeah cos only Marines diserve that level of support in actual Supplements and pretend campaign packs How many have they had now?

Dunno but do you want a T'au Sept per month for however many months?

Dudeface wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

 BoomWolf wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
I love how the automatic assumption is "tHeRe hAs tO bE a MaRiNe fAcTiOn!!1!!" in The Greater Good.

Cause we totally don't have room for another Xenos vs Xenos book, ala Phoenix Rising right? Totally no room for Farsight vs Tau!

There does not HAVE to be a marine faction, but rumor has it that its DG VS Tau.
Total guess as far as I'm concerned, but not too far-fetched.

Farsight VS Tau though? that would make no sense. the enclaves are not in war with the empire, in fact in face of greater danger the two cooperate.

A Marine Chapter is most likely - of a Chaos one and a Loyal one against the Tau possibly.

A conflict between Farsignt Enclave and the Empire is not that unlikely, especially if certain etherials are as stupid and provative as they are in the lore. The enclave is a constant dagger in the side of their whole society needing the ruling body to survive. If they have a period of relative peace, they are likely to try and elminate them or at least Farsight so they can go in and save the day and take it over again. The Tau are no less liekly to splinter than any other faction. Gw broke an entire Craftworld - a civil war between the Tau would give them new options......

No tau won't be getting a supplement and they really shouldn't be. Supplement level content is fine though.

yeah cos only Marines diserve that level of support in actual Supplements and pretend campaign packs How many have they had now?

Dunno but do you want a T'au Sept per month for however many months?

with the Tau release slowly strung out over that many months.

Dudeface wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

 BoomWolf wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
I love how the automatic assumption is "tHeRe hAs tO bE a MaRiNe fAcTiOn!!1!!" in The Greater Good.

Cause we totally don't have room for another Xenos vs Xenos book, ala Phoenix Rising right? Totally no room for Farsight vs Tau!

There does not HAVE to be a marine faction, but rumor has it that its DG VS Tau.
Total guess as far as I'm concerned, but not too far-fetched.

Farsight VS Tau though? that would make no sense. the enclaves are not in war with the empire, in fact in face of greater danger the two cooperate.

A Marine Chapter is most likely - of a Chaos one and a Loyal one against the Tau possibly.

A conflict between Farsignt Enclave and the Empire is not that unlikely, especially if certain etherials are as stupid and provative as they are in the lore. The enclave is a constant dagger in the side of their whole society needing the ruling body to survive. If they have a period of relative peace, they are likely to try and elminate them or at least Farsight so they can go in and save the day and take it over again. The Tau are no less liekly to splinter than any other faction. Gw broke an entire Craftworld - a civil war between the Tau would give them new options......

No tau won't be getting a supplement and they really shouldn't be. Supplement level content is fine though.

yeah cos only Marines diserve that level of support in actual Supplements and pretend campaign packs How many have they had now?

Dunno but do you want a T'au Sept per month for however many months?

A single supplement would be a book of lore and updated rules for one of more Septs. There is no reason to inflict the constant waves of Marine releases we have been having, couple of models and a book then onto the next actual non Marine faction - why would that be an issue? Each Faction gets a supplement a month for a few months - yes that would mean less marines but hey I am sure the game would survive.

 Mr Morden wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

 BoomWolf wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
I love how the automatic assumption is "tHeRe hAs tO bE a MaRiNe fAcTiOn!!1!!" in The Greater Good.

Cause we totally don't have room for another Xenos vs Xenos book, ala Phoenix Rising right? Totally no room for Farsight vs Tau!

There does not HAVE to be a marine faction, but rumor has it that its DG VS Tau.
Total guess as far as I'm concerned, but not too far-fetched.

Farsight VS Tau though? that would make no sense. the enclaves are not in war with the empire, in fact in face of greater danger the two cooperate.

A Marine Chapter is most likely - of a Chaos one and a Loyal one against the Tau possibly.

A conflict between Farsignt Enclave and the Empire is not that unlikely, especially if certain etherials are as stupid and provative as they are in the lore. The enclave is a constant dagger in the side of their whole society needing the ruling body to survive. If they have a period of relative peace, they are likely to try and elminate them or at least Farsight so they can go in and save the day and take it over again. The Tau are no less liekly to splinter than any other faction. Gw broke an entire Craftworld - a civil war between the Tau would give them new options......

No tau won't be getting a supplement and they really shouldn't be. Supplement level content is fine though.

yeah cos only Marines diserve that level of support in actual Supplements and pretend campaign packs How many have they had now?

Dunno but do you want a T'au Sept per month for however many months?

A single supplement would be a book of lore and updated rules for one of more Septs. There is no reason to inflict the constant waves of Marine releases we have been having, couple of models and a book then onto the next actual non Marine faction - why would that be an issue? Each Faction gets a supplement a month for a few months - yes that would mean less marines but hey I am sure the game would survive.

ok not sure you understand what we're saying here, the marine supplements meant GW purposefully stretched out the model release far longer then they would have with another army. so instead of a single splash release then move onto the next, they took a single codex worth of releases and stretched it out for 3 months.

now let';s get back on subject before the mods decide to issue more bans.

At the very least the Farsight Enclaves should get a Supplement of their own. The other septs are fine as they are in the Codex.

Speaking of the new Shadowsun model: absolutely gorgeous. Let's hope for some decent rules as well.

Psst tau where is my ghazkull model? That will be glorious

 Aenar wrote:
At the very least the Farsight Enclaves should get a Supplement of their own. The other septs are fine as they are in the Codex.

Speaking of the new Shadowsun model: absolutely gorgeous. Let's hope for some decent rules as well.

Well unless Shadowsun is running off to Farsight land not likely in this campaign book - although were they not proposed as a breeding couple at one point?

ok not sure you understand what we're saying here, the marine supplements meant GW purposefully stretched out the model release far longer then they would have with another army. so instead of a single splash release then move onto the next, they took a single codex worth of releases and stretched it out for 3 months.

So not what i suggested and said then - the last few PA books have been Marine Supplements so this could be a Tau supplement? Although I would prefer a proper one and as others have said its unlikely as only Marines can have that.

If its Deathguard against Tau - that seems very unpsychic unless Shadowsun has suddenly become unblunt due to super new tau tech (its really not impossible)?

It would have been cool to have Tau psychic subject races at this point but the no model, no rules BS kicks in I guess.

if you look at the uncropped image in the new tau thread there are genestealer minis above shadowsun's head, so that's the enemy (well one of them at least)

BrianDavion wrote:

 BoomWolf wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
I love how the automatic assumption is "tHeRe hAs tO bE a MaRiNe fAcTiOn!!1!!" in The Greater Good.

Cause we totally don't have room for another Xenos vs Xenos book, ala Phoenix Rising right? Totally no room for Farsight vs Tau!

There does not HAVE to be a marine faction, but rumor has it that its DG VS Tau.
Total guess as far as I'm concerned, but not too far-fetched.

Farsight VS Tau though? that would make no sense. the enclaves are not in war with the empire, in fact in face of greater danger the two cooperate.

looks like it'll be Tau vs GSCs given the new picture someone posted.

There's no way Tau can defeat GSC all by themselves without help. Aren't the Raven Guard known to operate in the area? Have they featured in a PA yet? Maybe we could get some more marine content that way.

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Aenar wrote:
At the very least the Farsight Enclaves should get a Supplement of their own. The other septs are fine as they are in the Codex.

Speaking of the new Shadowsun model: absolutely gorgeous. Let's hope for some decent rules as well.

Well unless Shadowsun is running off to Farsight land not likely in this campaign book - although were they not proposed as a breeding couple at one point?

ok not sure you understand what we're saying here, the marine supplements meant GW purposefully stretched out the model release far longer then they would have with another army. so instead of a single splash release then move onto the next, they took a single codex worth of releases and stretched it out for 3 months.

So not what i suggested and said then - the last few PA books have been Marine Supplements so this could be a Tau supplement? Although I would prefer a proper one and as others have said its unlikely as only Marines can have that.

If its Deathguard against Tau - that seems very unpsychic unless Shadowsun has suddenly become unblunt due to super new tau tech (its really not impossible)?

It would have been cool to have Tau psychic subject races at this point but the no model, no rules BS kicks in I guess.

The issue is your earlier definition of a supplement is correct, however in GW land a supplement is an additional expanded rules for one of the sub factions, so a supplement for T'au might be detailed rules and fluff for the vior'la sept and none of the others. To cover all the septs would take multiple supplements (by gw logic).

T'au have some experience fighting the cults. Peter F.'s Twisted Coil series dives into that, the Greater Evil especially. Then there was that planet that became infested and quarantined until the possibly infected Ethereal gave the "all clear."

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 BoomWolf wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
I love how the automatic assumption is "tHeRe hAs tO bE a MaRiNe fAcTiOn!!1!!" in The Greater Good.

Cause we totally don't have room for another Xenos vs Xenos book, ala Phoenix Rising right? Totally no room for Farsight vs Tau!

There does not HAVE to be a marine faction, but rumor has it that its DG VS Tau.
Total guess as far as I'm concerned, but not too far-fetched.

Farsight VS Tau though? that would make no sense. the enclaves are not in war with the empire, in fact in face of greater danger the two cooperate.

looks like it'll be Tau vs GSCs given the new picture someone posted.

There's no way Tau can defeat GSC all by themselves without help. Aren't the Raven Guard known to operate in the area? Have they featured in a PA yet? Maybe we could get some more marine content that way.

Be better to have a Inquisiton character or similar advising

Whilst Marines don't need to appear in everything - Deathwatch would be a better choice as its their thing (as well as killing Tau for the inevitable double cross by both sides)

I suppose we can obviously cross Tau off this list. GSC most likely as well.
Then Orks and maybe space wolves next time.

BrianDavion wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

JSG wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Greater Good reveal tomorrow, according to GW on FB.

But... Tau aren't Marines.

That won't stop xenos players claiming they are. This PA won't count just like Phoenix Rising didn't.

So do you believe that the Tau will get a full supplement like the various Marine Chapters has? Ir is it a mainly name pages......

The "Shadowsun" model looks ok I guess - although a new different name character would have been nice.

Tau will likely get some relics, some stratigiums a list of names etc. the useal supplement level support everyone has been getting.

I wish my Aeldari factions got that level of support in their book. Given that the Nids were distinctly hit and miss with their book as well I'm not too hopeful for anything particularly creative here.

GaroRobe wrote:
T'au have some experience fighting the cults. Peter F.'s Twisted Coil series dives into that, the Greater Evil especially. Then there was that planet that became infested and quarantined until the possibly infected Ethereal gave the "all clear."

Having the Empire fight the Enclave would be in the GSC's interest. Could make a really interesting campaign/story.... could do

Dudeface wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Aenar wrote:
At the very least the Farsight Enclaves should get a Supplement of their own. The other septs are fine as they are in the Codex.

Speaking of the new Shadowsun model: absolutely gorgeous. Let's hope for some decent rules as well.

Well unless Shadowsun is running off to Farsight land not likely in this campaign book - although were they not proposed as a breeding couple at one point?

ok not sure you understand what we're saying here, the marine supplements meant GW purposefully stretched out the model release far longer then they would have with another army. so instead of a single splash release then move onto the next, they took a single codex worth of releases and stretched it out for 3 months.

So not what i suggested and said then - the last few PA books have been Marine Supplements so this could be a Tau supplement? Although I would prefer a proper one and as others have said its unlikely as only Marines can have that.

If its Deathguard against Tau - that seems very unpsychic unless Shadowsun has suddenly become unblunt due to super new tau tech (its really not impossible)?

It would have been cool to have Tau psychic subject races at this point but the no model, no rules BS kicks in I guess.

The issue is your earlier definition of a supplement is correct, however in GW land a supplement is an additional expanded rules for one of the sub factions, so a supplement for T'au might be detailed rules and fluff for the vior'la sept and none of the others. To cover all the septs would take multiple supplements (by gw logic).

You are making the assumption that GW can only do things the one way though.

Every new Xenos model feels like a joy.
(And a miracle)

I really hope this means Orks get Ghazghull.

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

There's no way Tau can defeat GSC all by themselves without help. Aren't the Raven Guard known to operate in the area? Have they featured in a PA yet? Maybe we could get some more marine content that way.

The last time the Raven Guard faced the Tau they lost their Chapter Master, at the very hands of Shadowsun. I doubt they’d be inclined to fight on the same side anytime soon.

 Mr Morden wrote:

GaroRobe wrote:
T'au have some experience fighting the cults. Peter F.'s Twisted Coil series dives into that, the Greater Evil especially. Then there was that planet that became infested and quarantined until the possibly infected Ethereal gave the "all clear."

Having the Empire fight the Enclave would be in the GSC's interest. Could make a really interesting campaign/story.... could do

That would be quite interesting. I could see the angle for the Cult starting an Empire civil war centered around that Ethereal whos possibly infected, spreading propeganda and contacting the Faraight Enclaves. Could be a nice little polical story.

But it will likely just be a planet infested with a cult, Tau forces show up to cull, que "Oh no, there at more of them than we thought!", Fighting intensifies, someone important dies, the Tau manage to send a strike team into the Cult sanctuary, kill Papa Patty, and weaken the Cult enough to push them back.
Then roll credits to leave it at a stalemate until the next Patriarch arises from the Genestealers.

BrianDavion wrote:

 BoomWolf wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
I love how the automatic assumption is "tHeRe hAs tO bE a MaRiNe fAcTiOn!!1!!" in The Greater Good.

Cause we totally don't have room for another Xenos vs Xenos book, ala Phoenix Rising right? Totally no room for Farsight vs Tau!

There does not HAVE to be a marine faction, but rumor has it that its DG VS Tau.
Total guess as far as I'm concerned, but not too far-fetched.

Farsight VS Tau though? that would make no sense. the enclaves are not in war with the empire, in fact in face of greater danger the two cooperate.

looks like it'll be Tau vs GSCs given the new picture someone posted.

I honestly wonder how they're gonna make that work. They can't have the Genestealer Cult arise on a Tau world because someone might convert a model, so I wonder how Tau are gonna end up fighting human rebels who have to be specifically miners for the GW sculpts to make sense.

Maybe they conquer a human world and don't know to look out for the genestealer infestation?

As a side note: Can GSC pretty please get cult traits that affect more than like 5 units in the codex maybe? Since, y'know, we acknowledged that felt crappy with marines, and it feels extra special silly with GSC where all the vehicles are open-topped so you can see it's the very same guys manning the trucks. GSC have 3 layers of units that don't get tactics: The Brood Brothers, who have to be Guard but with a super limited model selection and no traits because...well because it would be silly to have the choice of 5-point and 4-point identical models in your two troop choices. And Genestealers and Patriarchs can't have cult traits because ????? and then vehicles actually manned by cultists who are definitely a part of the cult don't get cult traits even when they absolutely make sense like Rusted Claw because ??????????????????????????

 Carnikang wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

GaroRobe wrote:
T'au have some experience fighting the cults. Peter F.'s Twisted Coil series dives into that, the Greater Evil especially. Then there was that planet that became infested and quarantined until the possibly infected Ethereal gave the "all clear."

Having the Empire fight the Enclave would be in the GSC's interest. Could make a really interesting campaign/story.... could do

That would be quite interesting. I could see the angle for the Cult starting an Empire civil war centered around that Ethereal whos possibly infected, spreading propeganda and contacting the Faraight Enclaves. Could be a nice little polical story.

But it will likely just be a planet infested with a cult, Tau forces show up to cull, que "Oh no, there at more of them than we thought!", Fighting intensifies, someone important dies, the Tau manage to send a strike team into the Cult sanctuary, kill Papa Patty, and weaken the Cult enough to push them back.
Then roll credits to leave it at a stalemate until the next Patriarch arises from the Genestealers.

Yeah sadly I think they are much more likely to do that so nothing really happens or matters - ah well - see what happens.

BrianDavion wrote:
Tau will likely get some relics, some stratigiums a list of names etc. the useal supplement level support everyone has been getting.

Yep. Every non-marine. Marines get more because marines.

Would seem its Tau vs GSC.

Mr Morden wrote:

 BoomWolf wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
I love how the automatic assumption is "tHeRe hAs tO bE a MaRiNe fAcTiOn!!1!!" in The Greater Good.

Cause we totally don't have room for another Xenos vs Xenos book, ala Phoenix Rising right? Totally no room for Farsight vs Tau!

There does not HAVE to be a marine faction, but rumor has it that its DG VS Tau.
Total guess as far as I'm concerned, but not too far-fetched.

Farsight VS Tau though? that would make no sense. the enclaves are not in war with the empire, in fact in face of greater danger the two cooperate.

A Marine Chapter is most likely - three way fight between Chaos one and a Loyal one against the Tau possibly. That way we can have lots of new Marine rules.....

A conflict between Farsignt Enclave and the Empire is not that unlikely, especially if certain Ethereals are as stupid and provocative as they are in the lore. The enclave is a constant dagger in the side of their whole society needing the ruling body to survive. If they have a period of relative peace, they are likely to try and elminate them or at least Farsight so they can go in and save the day and take it over again. The Tau are no less liekly to splinter than any other faction. Gw broke an entire Craftworld - a civil war between the Tau would give them new options......

No tau won't be getting a supplement and they really shouldn't be. Supplement level content is fine though.

yeah cos only Marines diserve that level of support in actual Supplements and pretend campaign packs How many have they had now?

looks like it'll be Tau vs GSCs given the new picture someone posted.

That would be interesting - we know that there are cults active in the Empire - both from GSC codex and BL novels. If they can infect an Ethereal - that would be major.

Yep - although the point about non human GSC models is a good one - will GW show a single infect Tau hybrid or just do the easy - its a human world....