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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Dude, they're Space Marines. They're all Space Marines. They're referred to as Space Marines in their own Codex.

You're a Space Marine, hes a Space Marine, were all Space Marines.

Dude, i get it, i'm wrong.

Edit: Back on topic, PA GKs ain't got

I personally love how one of the GK's special rules is a rule that specifically makes Smite worse.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I personally love how one of the GK's special rules is a rule that specifically makes Smite worse.

Super secret bad ass psykers bested by a ing Astropath, it's really embarrassing.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I personally love how one of the GK's special rules is a rule that specifically makes Smite worse.

Ditto the Thousand Sons. But I guess since the leaders of units of Rubrics are only Aspiring Sorcerers, they're still having trouble with the most basic spell.

MiguelFelstone wrote:
Grey Knights aren't Space Marines, they don't share a gene-seed with any chapter.

They share geneseed with the Exorcist chapter. Checkmate, atheist!

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I personally love how one of the GK's special rules is a rule that specifically makes Smite worse.

Ditto the Thousand Sons. But I guess since the leaders of units of Rubrics are only Aspiring Sorcerers, they're still having trouble with the most basic spell.

Wouldn't that be fun? Aspiring to something for 10,000 years.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

MiguelFelstone wrote:
Grey Knights aren't Space Marines, they don't share a gene-seed with any chapter.

They share geneseed with the Exorcist chapter. Checkmate, atheist!

Daymn.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

MiguelFelstone wrote:
Grey Knights aren't Space Marines, they don't share a gene-seed with any chapter.

They share geneseed with the Exorcist chapter. Checkmate, atheist!

what's atheism got to do with anything?

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

MiguelFelstone wrote:
Grey Knights aren't Space Marines, they don't share a gene-seed with any chapter.

They share geneseed with the Exorcist chapter. Checkmate, atheist!

No they don't...

BrianDavion wrote:

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

MiguelFelstone wrote:
Grey Knights aren't Space Marines, they don't share a gene-seed with any chapter.

They share geneseed with the Exorcist chapter. Checkmate, atheist!

what's atheism got to do with anything?

Some sort of meme, I think.
From several years back.

Considering that Grey Knights and Thousand Sons are the all-psychic armies and only armies that can really get away with smite-spamming, having their troops only deal 1 damage on smite seems like a fine balance decision to me. Now, limiting GK characters to just 1 seems a little obnoxious and will hopefully be reversed here to be in line with the Sons, whose characters get normal smites.

Also, it's worth noting that the Sons are still recruiting sorcerors into their ranks. I doubt any of the current Aspiring Sorcs were originally members of the legion at this point, given battlefield losses, mutation problems, and general tzeentchy back-stabbing.

Voss wrote:

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I personally love how one of the GK's special rules is a rule that specifically makes Smite worse.

Ditto the Thousand Sons. But I guess since the leaders of units of Rubrics are only Aspiring Sorcerers, they're still having trouble with the most basic spell.

Wouldn't that be fun? Aspiring to something for 10,000 years.

1) Tzeentch loves aspiring. Ambition is One Of His Things (TM).

2) They still induct new psykers into the Legion, usually a talented cultist.

I remember a Short where this Dreadnought Chaos Lord was trying to sell off Eldar soulstones to the highest bidder, and gets all pissed off when he realizes none of the Legionnaires that showed up were even around during the Heresey, including a Thousand Son. So they have gained new members.

Voss wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

MiguelFelstone wrote:
Grey Knights aren't Space Marines, they don't share a gene-seed with any chapter.

They share geneseed with the Exorcist chapter. Checkmate, atheist!

what's atheism got to do with anything?

Some sort of meme, I think.
From several years back.

Correct! I got it
Edit: I'm old


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Benionin wrote:
Considering that Grey Knights and Thousand Sons are the all-psychic armies and only armies that can really get away with smite-spamming, having their troops only deal 1 damage on smite seems like a fine balance decision to me. Now, limiting GK characters to just 1 seems a little obnoxious and will hopefully be reversed here to be in line with the Sons, whose characters get normal smites.

I'd accept this as a way to balance them if everything about them didn't blow. Take spells for example, you'd think we'd have access to the best available but in reality we have some of the worst. Our stratagems are lackluster (at least by comparison) and our relics are a joke.

The current model for balancing Grey Knights doesn't work, and it hasn't worked for a long time.

Greater Good reveal tomorrow, according to GW on FB.

Benionin wrote:
Considering that Grey Knights and Thousand Sons are the all-psychic armies and only armies that can really get away with smite-spamming, having their troops only deal 1 damage on smite seems like a fine balance decision to me. Now, limiting GK characters to just 1 seems a little obnoxious and will hopefully be reversed here to be in line with the Sons, whose characters get normal smites.

Also, it's worth noting that the Sons are still recruiting sorcerors into their ranks. I doubt any of the current Aspiring Sorcs were originally members of the legion at this point, given battlefield losses, mutation problems, and general tzeentchy back-stabbing.

IMO, I think the better way would be the other way round, giving the "targetable" troops and units the full smite, but not the characters (except perhaps giving it "back" to the characters as a mono-faction bonus). Otherwise, you just end up with the same concept of a gaggle of characters hiding behind a cheap allied screen, instead of the full army it should reward.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Greater Good reveal tomorrow, according to GW on FB.

But... Tau aren't Marines.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Greater Good reveal tomorrow, according to GW on FB.

But... Tau aren't Marines.

Lucky them, they might even get 50% of the book for themselves without the "Supplement" plague

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Greater Good reveal tomorrow, according to GW on FB.

But... Tau aren't Marines.

yeah something involving xenos?! FAKE NEWS!

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Greater Good reveal tomorrow, according to GW on FB.

But... Tau aren't Marines.

I can see it now, the Tau symbol in that pic they showed starts rotting and shrivelling.
Watch it be a "say sike" moment and the new reworked Deathguard stuff come along side them in the book. Tau get ten pages, while the rest is Morty and co.

Ah well. We'll see tomorrow.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Greater Good reveal tomorrow, according to GW on FB.

But... Tau aren't Marines.

That won't stop xenos players claiming they are. This PA won't count just like Phoenix Rising didn't.

BrianDavion wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Greater Good reveal tomorrow, according to GW on FB.

But... Tau aren't Marines.

yeah something involving xenos?! FAKE NEWS!

Got to have something for marines to shoot.

Note there\s not been reveal which marine gets supplement in the PA5. But don't worry. Still room for more marines to stuff into it. If nothing else ultramarines gets yet more rules.


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JSG wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Greater Good reveal tomorrow, according to GW on FB.

But... Tau aren't Marines.

That won't stop xenos players claiming they are. This PA won't count just like Phoenix Rising didn't.

Eh the name of the supplement doesn't hint who is going to get biggest share. From ritual of damnation one could think PA4 is TS supplement rather than DA supplement.

How are they previewing PA5 and we got nothing on PA4? Wow this release is frustrating

 xeen wrote:
How are they previewing PA5 and we got nothing on PA4? Wow this release is frustrating

we'll get solid details on PA4 tomorrow and a teaser trailer for PA5.

BrianDavion wrote:

we'll get solid details on PA4 tomorrow and a teaser trailer for PA5.

I hope you're right.. GW FB has been saying we need to wait for info on that until 'closer to release' so I won't be holding my breath tomorrow

 xeen wrote:
How are they previewing PA5 and we got nothing on PA4? Wow this release is frustrating

They're previewing models coming this year and they already previewed the model for PA4 .

As other threads have discussed, we are getting a new Shadowsun for PA 5.

So:
A new character: Lazarus
A redesigned character: Shadowsun
A Reborn character: (Could also be Lazarus, but I doubt it. Maybe Ragnar Blackmane gets Primaris-ed)

I love how the automatic assumption is "tHeRe hAs tO bE a MaRiNe fAcTiOn!!1!!" in The Greater Good.

Cause we totally don't have room for another Xenos vs Xenos book, ala Phoenix Rising right? Totally no room for Farsight vs Tau!

 xeen wrote:
How are they previewing PA5 and we got nothing on PA4? Wow this release is frustrating

Full previews come once preorders come as usual. Pa4 isn't something special enough to warrant snowflake preview system

JSG wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Greater Good reveal tomorrow, according to GW on FB.

But... Tau aren't Marines.

That won't stop xenos players claiming they are. This PA won't count just like Phoenix Rising didn't.

So do you believe that the Tau will get a full supplement like the various Marine Chapters has? Ir is it a mainly name pages......

The "Shadowsun" model looks ok I guess - although a new different name character would have been nice.