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the_scotsman wrote:

GaroRobe wrote:
Is he wielding an old style Bolter? It doesn't look Primaris.

Yeah, you're not wrong...it's got the banana clip which I didn't think primaris boltguns had...

Yeah that's interesting, in the first pictures released I thought it was just the angle... Wonder how this will be reflected in the rules?

Maybe it's his old small-marine boltgun he was too attached to

Here’s to hoping Lazarus is actually also the multipart Primaris captain kit and there’s more generic captain pieces we haven’t seen!

Does his helmet lose the wings when he puts it on, or are there multiple helmet options in the kit?

 Alpharius wrote:
Does his helmet lose the wings when he puts it on, or are there multiple helmet options in the kit?

I believe the wings are optional.

The artwork behind shows the winged helmet being worn. Whilst artwork is never a guarantee, it is interesting that the artwork shows it.

The helmet is exactly the same as the one being carried minus the wings.

It's good but also smart to make him more of a multi-part/generic captain option to be honest, the company masters of the dark angels are distinct with their robes, why release 2x different kits if one can suffice.

I was slightly shocked they didn't bother to include 1 or 2 robed torsos in the dark angel primaris upgrade sprue to be honest.


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the name is different on the shoulder pad also I might add, which almost certainly means it is a dual function kit.


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And finally, a comment by the W40k facebook page directly states the kit is dual purpose and can build masters and chapter masters.

endlesswaltz123 wrote:
The artwork behind shows the winged helmet being worn. Whilst artwork is never a guarantee, it is interesting that the artwork shows it.

The helmet is exactly the same as the one being carried minus the wings.

It's good but also smart to make him more of a multi-part/generic captain option to be honest, the company masters of the dark angels are distinct with their robes, why release 2x different kits if one can suffice.

I was slightly shocked they didn't bother to include 1 or 2 robed torsos in the dark angel primaris upgrade sprue to be honest.


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the name is different on the shoulder pad also I might add, which almost certainly means it is a dual function kit.

Kromlech actually has some really good "Prime Legionaries" bodies with both Tabard and Robed options that look really good. I've been using them for my DA sergeants and I'm very happy with how they turned out.


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 Galas wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
Does his helmet lose the wings when he puts it on, or are there multiple helmet options in the kit?

I believe the wings are optional.

I think so too, if you really squint at the helmet he's holding, they seem to be attached, not an intrinsic part of the model.

 Redemption wrote:

So comparing him with the other picture, he has at least 4 different arms and 3 different heads. They should definitely do this more often.

Yep. A pretty versatile kit. I really wish they would give the new weapon options and combos to all primaris captains instead of just DA ones, though that seems unlikely.


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GaroRobe wrote:
Is he wielding an old style Bolter? It doesn't look Primaris.

It's a bolt carbine. The SW primaris lieutenant has similar looking one and various phobos primaris have them as well, except with some extra doodahs.

Kinda regret trading all of my marines from the DG/Marine boxed set. I have some Dark Angels marines laying around. I would hope that DW/RW get better abilities.

I miss the days of a pure DW/RW army.

jivardi wrote:
Kinda regret trading all of my marines from the DG/Marine boxed set. I have some Dark Angels marines laying around. I would hope that DW/RW get better abilities.

I miss the days of a pure DW/RW army.

I don't miss lugging around 50 pounds of pewter, but i'd do it again in a heart beat for some decent Deathwing rules.

It was how I kept in shape. Got to work out my biceps and triceps without needing a gym membership.

I would have looked "too cool" for 40k had I properly exercised.

Well looks like to me that the one smart guy in GW, who had the foresight on that upcoming Canoness for Sisters to have proper weapon options for HQ model, survived somehow last year and is now somehow bringing options to Primaris models.

Sotahullu wrote:
Well looks like to me that the one smart guy in GW, who had the foresight on that upcoming Canoness for Sisters to have proper weapon options for HQ model, survived somehow last year and is now somehow bringing options to Primaris models.

that or the special character has a bolt carbine. or the modeler just gave him a old fashioned looking bolt gun cause he liked the look. we'll see what happens when he see the datasheet

Any other GK rumors beyond “they get psychic stuff”? Hoping for a little more this weekend.

 greyknight12 wrote:
Any other GK rumors beyond “they get psychic stuff”? Hoping for a little more this weekend.

I belive it's been indicated they'll get a bonus for running non-soup, and in GKs case I suspect it'll be a substantial buff.

 greyknight12 wrote:
Any other GK rumors beyond “they get psychic stuff”? Hoping for a little more this weekend.

Gk tends to get the short end of the stick.. not unlike how Dark Angels do as well.

 meatybtz wrote:

 greyknight12 wrote:
Any other GK rumors beyond “they get psychic stuff”? Hoping for a little more this weekend.

Gk tends to get the short end of the stick.. not unlike how Dark Angels do as well.

Poor DA just the only new model and full supplement - life is harsh I guess.

 Mr Morden wrote:

 meatybtz wrote:

 greyknight12 wrote:
Any other GK rumors beyond “they get psychic stuff”? Hoping for a little more this weekend.

Gk tends to get the short end of the stick.. not unlike how Dark Angels do as well.

Poor DA just the only new model and full supplement - life is harsh I guess.

yeah never saw DA as getting the short end of the stick ever, yes they went 5th edition without a codex, and yes they fell behind space wolves, blood angels and vanilla marines for that edition, but dark angels have, by and large done alright. they're certainly not in nearly as a bad a place as some factions are.

well they're the first PA model to make a special char and a normal master or chapter master.

BrianDavion wrote:

 greyknight12 wrote:
Any other GK rumors beyond “they get psychic stuff”? Hoping for a little more this weekend.

I belive it's been indicated they'll get a bonus for running non-soup, and in GKs case I suspect it'll be a substantial buff.

It better be some game-breaking buff, because that's what would be required to make a mono Grey Knight force competitive.


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 Mr Morden wrote:
Poor DA just the only new model and full supplement - life is harsh I guess.

Seriously, the next book is guaranteed to be 90% SM / 10% other, see: Blood of Baal

 greyknight12 wrote:
Any other GK rumors beyond “they get psychic stuff”? Hoping for a little more this weekend.

You'll get a name generator. I hear that alone takes armies to the S-Tier in tournaments.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
You'll get a name generator. I hear that alone takes armies to the S-Tier in tournaments.

HA! Fake laugh hiding real pain.

MiguelFelstone wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 greyknight12 wrote:
Any other GK rumors beyond “they get psychic stuff”? Hoping for a little more this weekend.

I belive it's been indicated they'll get a bonus for running non-soup, and in GKs case I suspect it'll be a substantial buff.

It better be some game-breaking buff, because that's what would be required to make a mono Grey Knight force competitive.


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 Mr Morden wrote:
Poor DA just the only new model and full supplement - life is harsh I guess.

Seriously, the next book is guaranteed to be 90% SM / 10% other, see: Blood of Baal

Given that the next book is Dark Angels, grey knights and 1k sons it's going to be 100% marines.

well, technically speaking it might also have daemons in it

BrianDavion wrote:
Given that the next book is Dark Angels, grey knights and 1k sons it's going to be 100% marines.

Grey Knights aren't Space Marines, they don't share a gene-seed with any chapter.
By this logic any power armored individual is a Space Marine ...

Edit: The only thing they have in common is they used to be human.

MiguelFelstone wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
Given that the next book is Dark Angels, grey knights and 1k sons it's going to be 100% marines.

Grey Knights aren't Space Marines, they don't share a gene-seed with any chapter.
By this logic any power armored individual is a Space Marine ...

By your logic space wolves aren't Space Marines

BrianDavion wrote:

MiguelFelstone wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
Given that the next book is Dark Angels, grey knights and 1k sons it's going to be 100% marines.

Grey Knights aren't Space Marines, they don't share a gene-seed with any chapter.
By this logic any power armored individual is a Space Marine ...

By your logic space wolves aren't Space Marines

Space Wolves have a Primarch, as do all Space Marine chapters. Grey Knights do not.
Space Wolves in war are directed by and under the authority of a greater (Space Marine) body, Grey Knights as agents of the Inquisition answer only to the Emperor himself.
I could go on.

Grey Knight are Space Marines. It says so unambiguously in all versions of their background. The end.

Not sharing geneseed with other chapters doesn't make them 'not space marines' (for one thing that was also officially true of Salamanders as well). They have geneseed and all the associated organs.

And no, Space Wolves (or any other chapter) don't answer to a greater authority.

Also, given the cover book title is 'Codex Adeptus Astartes Grey Knights...' that entire idea that GK aren't space marines is completely incorrect.

Per the preview images of said codex, they're the 666th Chapter of Space Marines

 Crimson wrote:
Grey Knight are Space Marines. It says so unambiguously in all versions of their background. The end.

Maybe they were Space Marines, as were the Rubric Marines, but they sure as aren't by the time they put their armor on, hell Rubric Marines aren't even biological anymore, it's all dust, they can't take off their armor.

I guess if Ruberto is your daddy then your a Space Marine?


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Voss wrote:
Not sharing geneseed with other chapters doesn't make them 'not space marines' (for one thing that was also officially true of Salamanders as well). They have geneseed and all the associated organs.

And no, Space Wolves (or any other chapter) don't answer to a greater authority.

Also, given the cover book title is 'Codex Adeptus Astartes Grey Knights...' that entire idea that GK aren't space marines is completely incorrect.

Per the preview images of said codex, they're the 666th Chapter of Space Marines

I don't see a lot of commonality between the two, but you are technically correct (the best kind).

Edit: Also if Grey Knights are Space Marines why do they suck so much? Huh? Yeah that's what i thought.

Dude, they're Space Marines. They're all Space Marines. They're referred to as Space Marines in their own Codex.