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It's probably not related to PA but apparently a second Custodes Codex is on the way. Shipping containers have all but confirmed this.

Interesting stuff about the DG but let's leave the off topic conversation away from here for now. Other topics can be made to discuss what DG should/shouldn't have access to and their statline. To try and bring it slightly on topic - perhaps the next PA will allow DG players to take a Chaos Lord with DR and T5 via a relic or stratagem upgrade (I think Jid referenced this earlier also)? That's probably all that needs to be said at this stage.

 Asmodai wrote:
Warhammer Community's Instagram put up a picture of some Chaos Knights a couple hours ago:

https://www.instagram.com/p/B7qb8h5oSAY/

Might be a clue for what's in store tonight.

Adeptus Titanicus releases perhaps? Chaos Knights for 40k have been and now gone and we don't think they're in the next PA.


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 xttz wrote:
Assuming PA5 = DG / GSC / Tau only, that leaves us with:

AdMech
Custodes
Deathwatch
Imperial Guard
Imperial Knights
Inquisition?
Sisters
Space Wolves
Harlequins
Necrons
Orks
Daemons
Chaos Knights

At 3 factions per book and one book per month, that means:
March = PA6
April = PA7
May = PA8
June = PA9

Adepticon (late March) would be the earliest I'd expect them to confirm a new edition.

Not sure on the factions.
Did Deathwatch have a faction symbol in the preview article?
Pretty sure Inquisition aren't going to be in a PA.
Sisters are considered included in FnF due to their codex + new range of models that dropped in the same month I think.
Harlequins may not be getting anything.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
It's probably not related to PA but apparently a second Custodes Codex is on the way. Shipping containers have all but confirmed this.

Do you have a source on that?

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

 Asmodai wrote:
Warhammer Community's Instagram put up a picture of some Chaos Knights a couple hours ago:

https://www.instagram.com/p/B7qb8h5oSAY/

Might be a clue for what's in store tonight.

Adeptus Titanicus releases perhaps? Chaos Knights for 40k have been and now gone and we don't think they're in the next PA.

Could very well be. They already have the digital assets to do these and we know Chaos titans are on the roadmap, so Knights would also make a lot of sense.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

Not sure on the factions.
Did Deathwatch have a faction symbol in the preview article?
Pretty sure Inquisition aren't going to be in a PA.
Sisters are considered included in FnF due to their codex + new range of models that dropped in the same month I think.
Harlequins may not be getting anything.

I saw Inquisition mentioned by someone earlier in this thread, but checking the original faction list it's probably a mixup with Deathwatch whose symbol looks like the Inquisition's.
Harlequins were included in the original list and haven't received any rules yet.
Sisters were included in the original list but weren't listed in new faction rules for PA2:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/BloodandGlory-Nov02-Content4erdgsfxbvc.jpg

GW probably didn't want to give them PA stuff alongside the codex release to avoid accusations of DLC. They'll get their DLC a few months later instead!

 Asmodai wrote:
Warhammer Community's Instagram put up a picture of some Chaos Knights a couple hours ago:

https://www.instagram.com/p/B7qb8h5oSAY/

Might be a clue for what's in store tonight.

Chaos for Adeptus Titanicus.

Makes sense that Custodes would get a codex 2.0 since half their army isn't in their original codex.

But based on the power level that GW is pushing 8th edition to I can't believe this will be good for the game.

I'm excited about the rumors for dark mechanicus which seems like it would be a good lead into traitor guard which would be really cool to see on the table.

Not Online!!! wrote:

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Tau got shadow sun so there's still hope for a new Ghazgul.

As a former orkboy, i'd damn well hope so, but better yet, in an actual kit for a megaarmor warboss.

Yeah I don't know why there's so much focus on wanting factions to get one specific character, rather than more varied generic options. Don't people like using their imaginations?

The same sources that have dug up all this info about Custodes 2 and AoS giants etc have found the next Psychic Awakening book to be called ‘Engine War’ so maybe the Chaos Knights have something to do with that. Knights vs Chaos Knights or something.

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/361421-codex-adeptus-custodes-20-pa-engine-war-ia-taros/

 ImAGeek wrote:
The same sources that have dug up all this info about Custodes 2 and AoS giants etc have found the next Psychic Awakening book to be called ‘Engine War’ so maybe the Chaos Knights have something to do with that. Knights vs Chaos Knights or something.

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/361421-codex-adeptus-custodes-20-pa-engine-war-ia-taros/

I'd guess AdMech is in there too. They previewed the flyer in detail at the start of the year, so we know it's coming soon.

It's barely been two years since the original codex, so I wonder if they'll do the same as with the CSM one and give people the option to either use their old book plus Psychic Awakening, or the new book by itself.

 xttz wrote:

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
It's probably not related to PA but apparently a second Custodes Codex is on the way. Shipping containers have all but confirmed this.

Do you have a source on that?

It's Youtube so, there is that but here's where I heard it;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dx2GiHKxnCw

Well, there was also the pixelated picture of the Primaris Speeder/Bikes.

Possibly it was a hoax. If not, I think there is a good chance we see them tonight.

 Nazrak wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

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Tau got shadow sun so there's still hope for a new Ghazgul.

As a former orkboy, i'd damn well hope so, but better yet, in an actual kit for a megaarmor warboss.

Yeah I don't know why there's so much focus on wanting factions to get one specific character, rather than more varied generic options. Don't people like using their imaginations?

The expectation is that the kit would build both Thraka and a MAWarboss.

Sunny Side Up wrote:
Well, there was also the pixelated picture of the Primaris Speeder/Bikes.

Possibly it was a hoax. If not, I think there is a good chance we see them tonight.

If they're not due until the summer GW may well just ignore them like the did when Mortarion's pic leaked many months early.

Pics with mixed marine factions like that tend to be the sort of thing you see in main rulebooks rather than codexes. My money is on Adepticon for news on this.

 Asmodai wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
The same sources that have dug up all this info about Custodes 2 and AoS giants etc have found the next Psychic Awakening book to be called ‘Engine War’ so maybe the Chaos Knights have something to do with that. Knights vs Chaos Knights or something.

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/361421-codex-adeptus-custodes-20-pa-engine-war-ia-taros/

I'd guess AdMech is in there too. They previewed the flyer in detail at the start of the year, so we know it's coming soon.

Would make sense, I just dunno what else would be on the Chaos side. AdMech and Knights vs just Chaos Knights doesn’t feel right. If Dark Mech were a thing it would work nicely but alas they aren’t.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Asmodai wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
The same sources that have dug up all this info about Custodes 2 and AoS giants etc have found the next Psychic Awakening book to be called ‘Engine War’ so maybe the Chaos Knights have something to do with that. Knights vs Chaos Knights or something.

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/361421-codex-adeptus-custodes-20-pa-engine-war-ia-taros/

I'd guess AdMech is in there too. They previewed the flyer in detail at the start of the year, so we know it's coming soon.

Would make sense, I just dunno what else would be on the Chaos side. AdMech and Knights vs just Chaos Knights doesn’t feel right. If Dark Mech were a thing it would work nicely but alas they aren’t.

Just add in a rule that says you can change Imperium to Chaos and Admech to Dark Mechanicus for all non unique units

We know of at least one Dark Mechanicus unit: the Negavolt Cultist.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Asmodai wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
The same sources that have dug up all this info about Custodes 2 and AoS giants etc have found the next Psychic Awakening book to be called ‘Engine War’ so maybe the Chaos Knights have something to do with that. Knights vs Chaos Knights or something.

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/361421-codex-adeptus-custodes-20-pa-engine-war-ia-taros/

I'd guess AdMech is in there too. They previewed the flyer in detail at the start of the year, so we know it's coming soon.

Would make sense, I just dunno what else would be on the Chaos side. AdMech and Knights vs just Chaos Knights doesn’t feel right. If Dark Mech were a thing it would work nicely but alas they aren’t.

Traitor Guard?

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Asmodai wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
The same sources that have dug up all this info about Custodes 2 and AoS giants etc have found the next Psychic Awakening book to be called ‘Engine War’ so maybe the Chaos Knights have something to do with that. Knights vs Chaos Knights or something.

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/361421-codex-adeptus-custodes-20-pa-engine-war-ia-taros/

I'd guess AdMech is in there too. They previewed the flyer in detail at the start of the year, so we know it's coming soon.

Would make sense, I just dunno what else would be on the Chaos side. AdMech and Knights vs just Chaos Knights doesn’t feel right. If Dark Mech were a thing it would work nicely but alas they aren’t.

Traitor Guard?

I just don’t see them introducing something that new in one of these books, based on the previous ones.

 Asmodai wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
The same sources that have dug up all this info about Custodes 2 and AoS giants etc have found the next Psychic Awakening book to be called ‘Engine War’ so maybe the Chaos Knights have something to do with that. Knights vs Chaos Knights or something.

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/361421-codex-adeptus-custodes-20-pa-engine-war-ia-taros/

I'd guess AdMech is in there too. They previewed the flyer in detail at the start of the year, so we know it's coming soon.

Wonder if engine war refers to world engines, because that could be a fun PA. A three way between chaos knights, ad mech/imperial knights, and necrons.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Asmodai wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
The same sources that have dug up all this info about Custodes 2 and AoS giants etc have found the next Psychic Awakening book to be called ‘Engine War’ so maybe the Chaos Knights have something to do with that. Knights vs Chaos Knights or something.

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/361421-codex-adeptus-custodes-20-pa-engine-war-ia-taros/

I'd guess AdMech is in there too. They previewed the flyer in detail at the start of the year, so we know it's coming soon.

Would make sense, I just dunno what else would be on the Chaos side. AdMech and Knights vs just Chaos Knights doesn’t feel right. If Dark Mech were a thing it would work nicely but alas they aren’t.

Daemons?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
CHS has everything to do with this. It has coloured GW's miniatures and game design since it occurred. It's why we have so many redundant unit entries in Codices, as Codices now have to have specific entries for specific miniatures (Captain in Armour X, Captain in Armour Y, Captain in Armour Z, and so on). It's why their miniatures are less and less modular and more monopose. It's the reason why everything has triple- or quadruple-barrelled Adjective Nounverb names these days. Everything they do stems from the abject terror 3rd party bitz makers inject into their core.

There's irony in the fact that GW lost so many of their claims in the Chapterhouse case, but their response to it means that gamers will have occasion to curse the name of Chapterhouse Studios as long as this current policy endures. And of course, irony of ironies, is that Chapterhouse itself is long gone, their models and those conversion bitz GW so feared near-totally forgotten by now.

 xttz wrote:

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
It's probably not related to PA but apparently a second Custodes Codex is on the way. Shipping containers have all but confirmed this.

Do you have a source on that?

Appears to just be a reprint of the current edition as the quantity is too low and it has the same product number as the existing codex.

https://spikeybits.com/2020/01/custodes-2-0-codex-probably-not-heres-why.html

 Agamemnon2 wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
CHS has everything to do with this. It has coloured GW's miniatures and game design since it occurred. It's why we have so many redundant unit entries in Codices, as Codices now have to have specific entries for specific miniatures (Captain in Armour X, Captain in Armour Y, Captain in Armour Z, and so on). It's why their miniatures are less and less modular and more monopose. It's the reason why everything has triple- or quadruple-barrelled Adjective Nounverb names these days. Everything they do stems from the abject terror 3rd party bitz makers inject into their core.

There's irony in the fact that GW lost so many of their claims in the Chapterhouse case, but their response to it means that gamers will have occasion to curse the name of Chapterhouse Studios as long as this current policy endures. And of course, irony of ironies, is that Chapterhouse itself is long gone, their models and those conversion bitz GW so feared near-totally forgotten by now.

You are, of course, correct - and once again, ultimately, it was us, the customers, who lost in the end...

It's a pity. I actually tried getting my hands on the Chapterhouse Stormraven extension kit for a while, since that actually made the model a lot better looking to my eyes, but by that time the company was already out of business

 Agamemnon2 wrote:
It's a pity. I actually tried getting my hands on the Chapterhouse Stormraven extension kit for a while, since that actually made the model a lot better looking to my eyes, but by that time the company was already out of business

Not to trigger you but I don't think that kit gets the accolades it deserves and it's the first time I've seen it mentioned in years. It took what I consider to be an ugly design and let me convert it into a mini-thunderhawk. I love that kit!

Knights/chaos knights can probably be skipped as a faction as they are just 3 models with different names to create the illusion of unit choice. A minor faction that harlequins even has way more units than Knights so I hope they don’t use up too much time on either.

They already have so many rules for so few models.

 Agamemnon2 wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
CHS has everything to do with this. It has coloured GW's miniatures and game design since it occurred. It's why we have so many redundant unit entries in Codices, as Codices now have to have specific entries for specific miniatures (Captain in Armour X, Captain in Armour Y, Captain in Armour Z, and so on). It's why their miniatures are less and less modular and more monopose. It's the reason why everything has triple- or quadruple-barrelled Adjective Nounverb names these days. Everything they do stems from the abject terror 3rd party bitz makers inject into their core.

There's irony in the fact that GW lost so many of their claims in the Chapterhouse case, but their response to it means that gamers will have occasion to curse the name of Chapterhouse Studios as long as this current policy endures. And of course, irony of ironies, is that Chapterhouse itself is long gone, their models and those conversion bitz GW so feared near-totally forgotten by now.

That last isn't irony. That was the point.
Bullying small competitors out of existence with petty legal tactics is exactly why they did that kind of thing.

 Kirasu wrote:
Knights/chaos knights can probably be skipped as a faction as they are just 3 models with different names to create the illusion of unit choice. A minor faction that harlequins even has way more units than Knights so I hope they don’t use up too much time on either.

They already have so many rules for so few models.

But there are more people out there playing knights than harlequins as a guess, so they definitely deserve a look in.

Let's end the Chapter House discussion there, shall we? There's only hours now until LVO reveals and possible new PA info. Is there any speculation related to that?

 Kirasu wrote:
Knights/chaos knights can probably be skipped as a faction as they are just 3 models with different names to create the illusion of unit choice. A minor faction that harlequins even has way more units than Knights so I hope they don’t use up too much time on either.

They already have so many rules for so few models.

by your logic the only army that should get anything is space marines because they already have the most stuff. an army whose options are kinda bare is a good canidate for expansion

BrianDavion wrote:

 Kirasu wrote:
Knights/chaos knights can probably be skipped as a faction as they are just 3 models with different names to create the illusion of unit choice. A minor faction that harlequins even has way more units than Knights so I hope they don’t use up too much time on either.

They already have so many rules for so few models.

by your logic the only army that should get anything is space marines because they already have the most stuff. an army whose options are kinda bare is a good canidate for expansion

Agreed, the Knights factions could easily by expanding their range to include the actual units they have in the lore - Harlequins by bringing back the units and characters in the lore and which they had in their older codexes......

Its not their fault Gw constanty lavishes new models on a single Faction and its myraid sub-factions to the expense of everyone else.