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Thunderwolf Cavalry not getting a drop is rough. But Wulfen seem down 5 points and Murderfang is down 45(???) points? He was arguably one of the few kick-ass Space Wolf units already.

 Tiberius501 wrote:
Any Blood Angels leaks? Interested if Sanguinary Guard weapons get cheaper

Blood Angels

Chief Librarian Mephiston down 15 points to 145

Commander Dante down 25 points to 150

Gabriel Seth down 25 points to 110

The Sanguinor down 50 to 130

Death Company down 2 points to 15

Death Company Dreadnought down 10 points to 70

Elites - Death Company Intercessors are 18 - This must be a new unit, not a CP upgrade.

Furioso Dreadnought down 10 points to 60

Primaris Apothecary down 8 points to 60

Reivers down 2 points to 16

Sanguinary Ancient down 9 points to 55

Sanguinary Guard no change - Angelus Boltgun down 3 to 0

Sanguinary Novitiate down 5 points to 50

Terminator Ancient down 21 points to 87

Kdash wrote:


Yeh this set of points list is obviously completely wrong and pointless. Most of the things listed on the image are the current points

That's what they do now




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Tyranid changes from the image:

Terv 162 (-18)
Tox 125 (-15)
Warriors 18 (-2)
Tyrannocyte 50 (-25)
both Trygons are 10pts cheaper due to talon costs changing


Acid spray 20 (-5)
Impaler cannon 25 (-5)
Rupture cannon 35 (-14)

Any news an AdMech besides the Manipulus drop?

 xttz wrote:

Kdash wrote:


Yeh this set of points list is obviously completely wrong and pointless. Most of the things listed on the image are the current points

That's what they do now

Spoiler:

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Tyranid changes from the image:

Terv 162 (-18)
Tox 125 (-15)
Warriors 18 (-2)
Tyrannocyte 50 (-25)
both Trygons are 10pts cheaper due to talon costs changing


Acid spray 20 (-5)
Impaler cannon 25 (-5)
Rupture cannon 35 (-14)

Oh i know they are printing all the points costs for everything, it's just that i feel it dishonest and wrong to post a picture of leaked changes when half of the changes aren't actually changes.


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 lash92 wrote:
Any news an AdMech besides the Manipulus drop?

Heard something in a Whatsapp group about the Disintergrator getting a 5 point increase or something. Apparently there was a picture posted somewhere but it got deleted pretty quick off the net.

Kdash wrote:

 lash92 wrote:
Any news an AdMech besides the Manipulus drop?

Heard something in a Whatsapp group about the Disintergrator getting a 5 point increase or something. Apparently there was a picture posted somewhere but it got deleted pretty quick off the net.

Can you ask for more info in Whatsapp group?

ImperialDwarf wrote:


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I got photos with DA, BA, SW, Ultra, some nids, GSC, CK, DG

Any changes with DA in particular?

whilst we know people are keen to get the info, it'd be better if we avoided posting pictures of large chunks of the book from here on in.

Ta.

Changes to GSC units (aside from the ranged weapon pic we've seen above)?

Aberrants? Acolytes? Rocksaws? Kelermorph?

https://vk.com/lamppost_news?null=undefined

MistaGav wrote:

ImperialDwarf wrote:


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I got photos with DA, BA, SW, Ultra, some nids, GSC, CK, DG

Any changes with DA in particular?

Based on the blurry image... Looks like pretty healthy decreases in points cost for all the named characters.

Looks like -
Asmodai 120,
Azrael - 150,
Belial - 110,
Sam Sable - 200
Sam Corvex - 140/160

Any news on astra militrum, dkok, csm or renegades and heretics?

Nothing yet on Aeldari changes?

 Carnikang wrote:

Cinderspirit wrote:
Tyranids just have "Units" with everything thrown together and not the normal split? Seems strange.

That's how it is in the Codex at least. Also have more than half of the units on the unseen page.... but Tyrannocytes at 50? jeez.

Rupture cannon down, acid spray down... heavy venom down...strangle cannon and regular venom down... looks like theyre making anti-armor cheaper for nids.

heavy venom, venom and stranglethorn are the same as last year, no changes.

Rupture cannon is down, but the body carrying it is not and the stupid mandatory spine weapon is still a useless 8 pt. The rupturefex still clocks at 196 pts and is therefore COMPLETELY useless, as a regular land raider has been dropped to 200 pts and sports more wounds, a better armor, better ballistic skill, move+ shoot with no penalty AND carrying capacity.

Tervigon STILL clocks at 180 pts. I mean wtf.

Tyrranocyte is 50 pts, its 5 mandatory weapons still clock it to 75 pts in the cheapest version. A drop pod is cheaper AND it can come down turn 1, which is what you really want from a transport.

No biomorph changes at all, no melee weapon points changes save for the massive talons. Adrenal glands STILL at 1 ppm when EVERY OTHER FREAKING ARMY has it as a 10 pt flat upgrade for the whole unit.

Sure we can play 125 pt toxicrenes and 138 pt trygons. It still won't be enough. If the hormagaunts haven't gone down to 4 points I will throw a fracking bollock.

The Nid treatment for the past 7-10 years is worse than insulting.

 ulfhednir86 wrote:
Any news on astra militrum, dkok, csm or renegades and heretics?

The only thing in regards to CSM that i've seen is based on the DG list... Which is 4 point Cultists and back to 10-40 unit size.

ah 4pt cultists again, how we have missed you.

topaxygouroun i wrote:

 Carnikang wrote:

Cinderspirit wrote:
Tyranids just have "Units" with everything thrown together and not the normal split? Seems strange.

That's how it is in the Codex at least. Also have more than half of the units on the unseen page.... but Tyrannocytes at 50? jeez.

Rupture cannon down, acid spray down... heavy venom down...strangle cannon and regular venom down... looks like theyre making anti-armor cheaper for nids.

heavy venom, venom and stranglethorn are the same as last year, no changes.

Rupture cannon is down, but the body carrying it is not and the stupid mandatory spine weapon is still a useless 8 pt. The rupturefex still clocks at 196 pts and is therefore COMPLETELY useless, as a regular land raider has been dropped to 200 pts and sports more wounds, a better armor, better ballistic skill, move+ shoot with no penalty AND carrying capacity.

Tervigon STILL clocks at 180 pts. I mean wtf.

Tyrranocyte is 50 pts, its 5 mandatory weapons still clock it to 75 pts in the cheapest version. A drop pod is cheaper AND it can come down turn 1, which is what you really want from a transport.

No biomorph changes at all, no melee weapon points changes save for the massive talons. Adrenal glands STILL at 1 ppm when EVERY OTHER FREAKING ARMY has it as a 10 pt flat upgrade for the whole unit.

Sure we can play 125 pt toxicrenes and 138 pt trygons. It still won't be enough. If the hormagaunts haven't gone down to 4 points I will throw a fracking bollock.

The Nid treatment for the past 7-10 years is worse than insulting.

I already quit the army at this point, I have no time to waste on something they can't/won't fix after years

Kdash wrote:

MistaGav wrote:

ImperialDwarf wrote:


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I got photos with DA, BA, SW, Ultra, some nids, GSC, CK, DG

Any changes with DA in particular?

Based on the blurry image... Looks like pretty healthy decreases in points cost for all the named characters.

Looks like -
Asmodai 120,
Azrael - 150,
Belial - 110,
Sam Sable - 200
Sam Corvex - 140/160

Thanks! Is there any other changes you can see for DA units or just those so far? Interested in the flyers and the other 'character' elite models.

ImperialDwarf wrote:

 Tiberius501 wrote:
Any Blood Angels leaks? Interested if Sanguinary Guard weapons get cheaper

Blood Angels

Chief Librarian Mephiston down 15 points to 145

Commander Dante down 25 points to 150

Gabriel Seth down 25 points to 110

The Sanguinor down 50 to 130

Death Company down 2 points to 15

Death Company Dreadnought down 10 points to 70

Elites - Death Company Intercessors are 18 - This must be a new unit, not a CP upgrade.

Furioso Dreadnought down 10 points to 60

Primaris Apothecary down 8 points to 60

Reivers down 2 points to 16

Sanguinary Ancient down 9 points to 55

Sanguinary Guard no change - Angelus Boltgun down 3 to 0

Sanguinary Novitiate down 5 points to 50

Terminator Ancient down 21 points to 87

Thanks! I’m quite happy with these, I wasn’t expecting Mephiston to go down.

MistaGav wrote:

Kdash wrote:

MistaGav wrote:

ImperialDwarf wrote:


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I got photos with DA, BA, SW, Ultra, some nids, GSC, CK, DG

Any changes with DA in particular?

Based on the blurry image... Looks like pretty healthy decreases in points cost for all the named characters.

Looks like -
Asmodai 120,
Azrael - 150,
Belial - 110,
Sam Sable - 200
Sam Corvex - 140/160

Thanks! Is there any other changes you can see for DA units or just those so far? Interested in the flyers and the other 'character' elite models.

I can only see the page with the characters, heavy support and some weapons on it. Hopefully we'll get the other page uploaded by someone at somepoint.

 ulfhednir86 wrote:
Any news on astra militrum, dkok, csm or renegades and heretics?

Nothing on FW in general sofar.



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Kdash wrote:

 ulfhednir86 wrote:
Any news on astra militrum, dkok, csm or renegades and heretics?

The only thing in regards to CSM that i've seen is based on the DG list... Which is 4 point Cultists and back to 10-40 unit size.

We know we get 11 pts CSM though.
From GW themselves over on the German official Facebook.

So, A rupture cannon Tyrannofex is 196 pts. It can shoot 6 shots if it stays still at BS 4+ (3 hits overall), plus 4 shots str 5 for the spine weapon.

A standard land raider is 200 pts. It can shoot 4 shots at BS 3+ (3 hits overall), and it can move + shoot with no penalty. It also has 6 shots str 5 for the heavy bolters. It also has more wounds, a better armor save AND a transport capacity. And it's not like a land raider is a competitive option or anything.

Why should we even bother at this point?

topaxygouroun i wrote:
So, A rupture cannon Tyrannofex is 196 pts. It can shoot 6 shots if it stays still at BS 4+ (3 hits overall), plus 4 shots str 5 for the spine weapon.

A standard land raider is 200 pts. It can shoot 4 shots at BS 3+ (3 hits overall), and it can move + shoot with no penalty. It also has 6 shots str 5 for the heavy bolters. It also has more wounds, a better armor save AND a transport capacity. And it's not like a land raider is a competitive option or anything.

Why should we even bother at this point?

Considering GW in the last CA nerfed ALL cultists including the verifyable WORSE cultists of R&H into the ground with a 25% pricehike and removal of traits are you honestly surprised that these halfe the time don't make sense?

topaxygouroun i wrote:
So, A rupture cannon Tyrannofex is 196 pts. It can shoot 6 shots if it stays still at BS 4+ (3 hits overall), plus 4 shots str 5 for the spine weapon.

A standard land raider is 200 pts. It can shoot 4 shots at BS 3+ (3 hits overall), and it can move + shoot with no penalty. It also has 6 shots str 5 for the heavy bolters. It also has more wounds, a better armor save AND a transport capacity. And it's not like a land raider is a competitive option or anything.

Why should we even bother at this point?

Isn't that the issue everywhere?

Chapter Master is 2 CP to give you full re-rolls in all phases. Great Harlequin is 2 CP to give you re-roll 1s in the fight phase only.

Knight Gallant is 24 wounds, 5++ with WS 2+ and 5 basic attacks for 352 points. And if you take 3 of them in a Super-Heavy you get 6 CP. Close Combat Wraithknight is 24 wounds with 5++, WS 3+ and 4 basic attacks for 375 points, and no CP bonus on the Superheavy Detachment.

Etc...,

Not Online!!! wrote:

 ulfhednir86 wrote:
Any news on astra militrum, dkok, csm or renegades and heretics?

Nothing on FW in general sofar.

There is a very blurry picture of GK, Inquistion, SoB and Custodes FW points costs, along with some FW weapons. But it is practically unreadable.

Kdash wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

 ulfhednir86 wrote:
Any news on astra militrum, dkok, csm or renegades and heretics?

Nothing on FW in general sofar.

There is a very blurry picture of GK, Inquistion, SoB and Custodes FW points costs, along with some FW weapons. But it is practically unreadable.

At this point i'd really love to see a bunch of beta dexes, not going to happen but i'd really do.
Heck my group has forced me more or less to use IA13 again an albeit modified version of it but still.

If you have not such a group then good luck to have a good game with these lists.

No talk of Legends. The assumption from most people (or at least me) was that CA would have a legends section with all the old points, but the Sisters repressor is still listed, so maybe this is the last update instead?

I seem to remember Legends being mentioned as an end of this year thing but I can't find that now.

Seeing point drops everywhere, I’m curious about Orks and Necrons now

shabadoit wrote:
No talk of Legends. The assumption from most people (or at least me) was that CA would have a legends section with all the old points, but the Sisters repressor is still listed, so maybe this is the last update instead?

I seem to remember Legends being mentioned as an end of this year thing but I can't find that now.

No. They explicitly said in the new year (2020)




Also, it's a bit unclear if Legends will include OOP Forge World units like Repressors, Chaplain Dreads, etc...

 Tiberius501 wrote:
Seeing point drops everywhere, I’m curious about Orks and Necrons now

Me too, but the imgur album doesn't have them :(