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Tyranid Horde wrote: Legends aren't matched play legal, which I think the majority of people use, not just tournament players.
Where does it say not matched play?
This is from Warhammer Community article:
The Warhammer 40,000 Legends page contains datasheets and additional wargear options, definitive profiles that will live on their own dedicated page, enabling you to unleash your treasured classics in open, narrative and matched play games, with full points provided to help you balance your games.
I wouldn't be surprised if GW have contradicted themselves in the book itself...
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They are matched play legal. Hence the matched play points instead of power levels or whatever. They're only not legal if TOs says you can't bring them.
Not to mention they have really screwed up the Autarch so now really the Skyrunner is the only option that is competitive/
Cheap foot-tarch for re-rolls is used more often than biker actually. And it makes sense - you don't need to charge anything if you stick to buffing your stuff.
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The Legends are suggested not being used in tournaments because their points will remain as a fixed value from now on.
On another hand been revising the CA points and i'm quite happy with the Wraithblades blades all melee options are the same and the Guard ones are even cheaper now.
Not to mention they have really screwed up the Autarch so now really the Skyrunner is the only option that is competitive/
Cheap foot-tarch for re-rolls is used more often than biker actually. And it makes sense - you don't need to charge anything if you stick to buffing your stuff.
I guess but 73pts vs 105pts the 33pts for maneuverability late game and slightly improved other stats would be more often better? Plus bigger model for bigger area of rerolls
~500pts Asuryani painted new colour scheme
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still not convinced the geedubs aren't just making it up as they go along regarding Legends, the no model no rules thing is just plain daft as even with third party options the majority of my conversions started from a GW base (even the Chapterhouse Locks needed stock GW bikes)
if only we'd got a relic mask in the new book...(the vex mask doesn't have a model but relics are exempt, well apart from when they aren't)
"AND YET YOU ACT AS IF THERE IS SOME IDEAL ORDER IN THE WORLD, AS IF THERE IS SOME...SOME RIGHTNESS IN THE UNIVERSE BY WHICH IT MAY BE JUDGED."
Not to mention they have really screwed up the Autarch so now really the Skyrunner is the only option that is competitive/
Cheap foot-tarch for re-rolls is used more often than biker actually. And it makes sense - you don't need to charge anything if you stick to buffing your stuff.
I guess but 73pts vs 105pts the 33pts for maneuverability late game and slightly improved other stats would be more often better? Plus bigger model for bigger area of rerolls
It depends. If your backline is so overrun that he needs to run away/charge stuff it probably means your whole army is dead so even on a bike hes not going to make much impact. 4 attacks is the same as a primaris sergant.
. I always take foot tarch and hang out with reapers and stick them well in the back so he doesnt give away warlord easily. I give him falochus wing relic for that extra mobility in a pinch and save the points.
Dang I wasnt aware of that point drop. Do you guys have you books already? Supposed to be dropping at gw shop ready for pick up tomorrow
AngryAngel80 wrote: I don't know, when I see awesome rules, I'm like " Baby, your rules looking so fine. Maybe I gotta add you to my first strike battalion eh ? "
Not to mention they have really screwed up the Autarch so now really the Skyrunner is the only option that is competitive/
Cheap foot-tarch for re-rolls is used more often than biker actually. And it makes sense - you don't need to charge anything if you stick to buffing your stuff.
I guess but 73pts vs 105pts the 33pts for maneuverability late game and slightly improved other stats would be more often better? Plus bigger model for bigger area of rerolls
It depends. If your backline is so overrun that he needs to run away/charge stuff it probably means your whole army is dead so even on a bike hes not going to make much impact. 4 attacks is the same as a primaris sergant.
. I always take foot tarch and hang out with reapers and stick them well in the back so he doesnt give away warlord easily. I give him falochus wing relic for that extra mobility in a pinch and save the points.
Dang I wasnt aware of that point drop. Do you guys have you books already? Supposed to be dropping at gw shop ready for pick up tomorrow
I was thinking more for objective grabbing in later game and any other situation that arises later on?
These are points from one of the leaks from someone who got the book early no book yet for me.
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Foot-tarch is worthless to me because while he is cheaper, he does NOTHING but buff units and maybe sit on an uncontested objective. I could just spend his point of more of the units he buffs
A Sky-tarch, otoh, cost less than twice a Foot-tarch and can do so, so much more. Plink shots with a Reaper launcher, move to support the right units, keep up with Spears, provides a legit melee counter assault threat, etc. Every 8E list I've ever had has at least 1, but most often 2 of them.
But I have very mobile list, always have, so a Sky-tarch fits my playstyle. YMMV if you have less mobile lists
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Galef wrote: Foot-tarch is worthless to me because while he is cheaper, he does NOTHING but buff units and maybe sit on an uncontested objective. I could just spend his point of more of the units he buffs
A Sky-tarch, otoh, cost less than twice a Foot-tarch and can do so, so much more. Plink shots with a Reaper launcher, move to support the right units, keep up with Spears, provides a legit melee counter assault threat, etc.
Every 8E list I've ever had has at least 1, but most often 2 of them.
But I have very mobile list, always have, so a Sky-tarch fits my playstyle. YMMV if you have less mobile lists
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You can give reaper launcher + mark of hunter to foot tarch and spend the spare points on the stuff hes buffing(reapers). He doesnt have to move if hes sitting back so shoots on 2+ rather than 3+.
Its a fair trade IMO. But now with wargear options gone im not sure its worth it. I have to wait and see all the points. I think lists will get a nice shake up.
On a side note, I never got the vigilus book, but i got the wraith host detatchement rules off someone. Is ther a generic strat that allows 2nd warlord trait on another character in there for everyone btw ?
AngryAngel80 wrote: I don't know, when I see awesome rules, I'm like " Baby, your rules looking so fine. Maybe I gotta add you to my first strike battalion eh ? "
Galef wrote: Foot-tarch is worthless to me because while he is cheaper, he does NOTHING but buff units and maybe sit on an uncontested objective. I could just spend his point of more of the units he buffs
A Sky-tarch, otoh, cost less than twice a Foot-tarch and can do so, so much more. Plink shots with a Reaper launcher, move to support the right units, keep up with Spears, provides a legit melee counter assault threat, etc.
Every 8E list I've ever had has at least 1, but most often 2 of them.
But I have very mobile list, always have, so a Sky-tarch fits my playstyle. YMMV if you have less mobile lists
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You can give reaper launcher + mark of hunter to foot tarch and spend the spare points on the stuff hes buffing(reapers). He doesnt have to move if hes sitting back so shoots on 2+ rather than 3+.
Its a fair trade IMO. But now with wargear options gone im not sure its worth it. I have to wait and see all the points. I think lists will get a nice shake up.
On a side note, I never got the vigilus book, but i got the wraith host detatchement rules off someone. Is ther a generic strat that allows 2nd warlord trait on another character in there for everyone btw ?
Theres field commander that lets you give a warlord trait to a non-warlord unit but it only lets you give them the specialist detachment warlord trait
Most things have been leaked by now but i can see a couple things I havent seen mentioned:
Both twin EML & Twin BL down to 35 (not just EML)
Unfortunately single heavy weapons still at 20pts Blueegh....
Illic nightspear down to 65pts. You dont see this guy very often but wIth reaper launcher sniping autarch making an exit could be a decent sniping replacemnt/HQ slot for alitoic detatchment. (Unfortunately he does not give re-rolls)
D-cannons down to 35(45 previously) - With support platforms costing now 25(30 previously) could be interesting. Or might be worth sticking them on Wraithseers.
AngryAngel80 wrote: I don't know, when I see awesome rules, I'm like " Baby, your rules looking so fine. Maybe I gotta add you to my first strike battalion eh ? "
Quick shameless plug ... We officially launched our Chicago-based gaming group and website. Posted a competitive ITC battle report that showcases the Expert/Conceal WK I mentioned before.
Hey, really enjoying the batrep, it's well written, great photos, ITC format, my only suggestion would be more in-game photos and less showing off the amazing paint jobs. I'm just reading a good piece on GDFC about evaluating units outside of the 'making back their points' metric, glad to see this kind of content being produced. First Goonhammer, now GDFC, I'm feeling a bit spoiled!
Thanks for the feedback! And we have been writing these up for our own group edification for a while and decided last minute to post that one (then realized we didn't take photos of the game).
We will CERTAINLY do that in the future and are also going to have video batreps up shortly.
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Most things have been leaked by now but i can see a couple things I havent seen mentioned:
Both twin EML & Twin BL down to 35 (not just EML)
Unfortunately single heavy weapons still at 20pts Blueegh....
Illic nightspear down to 65pts. You dont see this guy very often but wIth reaper launcher sniping autarch making an exit could be a decent sniping replacemnt/HQ slot for alitoic detatchment. (Unfortunately he does not give re-rolls)
D-cannons down to 35(45 previously) - With support platforms costing now 25(30 previously) could be interesting. Or might be worth sticking them on Wraithseers.
Thanks for the info, I think actually support weapons are already 25pts maybe from previous CA? I think all the others were in leak already too. I'd be interested to know how much warp spiders are now because the leaker mixed up points for them?
~500pts Asuryani painted new colour scheme
~7500pts Asuryani assembled some with old colour scheme
wannabmoy wrote: Quick shameless plug ... We officially launched our Chicago-based gaming group and website. Posted a competitive ITC battle report that showcases the Expert/Conceal WK I mentioned before.
wannabmoy wrote: Quick shameless plug ... We officially launched our Chicago-based gaming group and website. Posted a competitive ITC battle report that showcases the Expert/Conceal WK I mentioned before.
Great report, and great paint jobs! Also going to be looking at the wraithknight, but not sure it will replace my 2 Hemlocks.
Listening to one of the Sisters codex reviews they have something that allows you to ignore all penalties to hit so our flyers are going to be in trouble
~500pts Asuryani painted new colour scheme
~7500pts Asuryani assembled some with old colour scheme
Participated in the Maelstrom GT (ITC Event) this weekend. Not many photos but I took my mechanized Craftworld with custom traits. I played against, Imperial Fists, Astra Militarum (4 super heavies), Ultramarines, Iron Hands, and Ravenguard (with 17 Centurions). I went 4-1 and placed 5th out of 34 in battle points (so close to top 3). The one loss was against Iron Hands which was in round 4. My list only had 13 models, which made me a bit nervous. However, Expert Crafters is such a fantastic ability for this style of army. I got to go first against Astra Militarum (round 2) and Ravenguard (round 5). I only lost one unit in the first turn against Iron Hands (round 4). The list turned out to be quite resilient and very hard hitting. With the CA 2019 now released, I need to make some small changes as my Crimson Hunter Exarchswent up 15 points each. Also, with such a small model count army, I was able to set up quickly, play faster and thus ensure every game finished within time.
I’m still not convinced on full mech Eldar outside of Wave Serpent spam imh. I feel like you’re going to come up against a few Imperial Fists lists, which can take you apart pretty quickly if you focus on nothing but vehicles.
Was hoping to get some advice on building an Eldar list. I'd pretty much always wanted to run an Iyanden army since back in the day because who doesn't like alien robots? I hadn't really planned on getting any anytime soon, but I saw that Craftworld Apoc Detachment on sale the other week and just couldn't pass up the deal. So now I have the start of an Iyanden army (15x Wraightguard, 2x Wraithlords, 1x Farseer).
So the problem is, I am grossly unfamiliar with how the Eldar/Craftworld codices are doing these days.
Can anyone help me get some insight on what I may want to take/avoid in the list (other than hopefully an Iyanden list generally )? I'm not really sure what kinds of things I need to look out for to flesh this box out to a ~2k list.
Was hoping to get some advice on building an Eldar list. I'd pretty much always wanted to run an Iyanden army since back in the day because who doesn't like alien robots? I hadn't really planned on getting any anytime soon, but I saw that Craftworld Apoc Detachment on sale the other week and just couldn't pass up the deal. So now I have the start of an Iyanden army (15x Wraightguard, 2x Wraithlords, 1x Farseer).
So the problem is, I am grossly unfamiliar with how the Eldar/Craftworld codices are doing these days.
Can anyone help me get some insight on what I may want to take/avoid in the list (other than hopefully an Iyanden list generally )? I'm not really sure what kinds of things I need to look out for to flesh this box out to a ~2k list.
Much thanks in advance!
If you want to have a themed "wraith" army, i highly suggest you drop iyanden and pick a custom craftworld. I personally run my wraiths as Headstrong (+1 to charges) and wrath of the dead (wraiths rerolls wounds of 1).
i like having a 1-2 puch with my wraiths, i take half of them with the flamers and advance them up the field with some help from quicken. And i have some wraithblades with either loadouts in wave serpents to hit them on turn two.
Wraithlords are best ran either with only a sword, running up the board, or with big guns far from the fight.
Dont forget that the Hemlock wraithfighter is also a wraith unit
Aww crap. That sounds like I need to pick up one of the last Psychic Awakening books too then. Makes sense, though...the Iyanden stuff in the Codex seemed....'meh'.
I'm guessing the units on foot should probably be taken as a unit of 10?
Jin wrote: Aww crap. That sounds like I need to pick up one of the last Psychic Awakening books too then. Makes sense, though...the Iyanden stuff in the Codex seemed....'meh'.
I'm guessing the units on foot should probably be taken as a unit of 10?
the only good thing iyanden does for wraiths is give a shitton of attacks with the relic. and it helps lords/knights not degrade.
i like running them in squads of 5 because it means they fit in a wave serpent with their pocket spiritseer. if youre deepstriking/footslogging them, yeah, a 10 man squad is better.
With Psychic awakening we also got a possible +3 to the charge, which means deepstriking melee blades can actually work semi-reliably now.
Participated in the Maelstrom GT (ITC Event) this weekend. Not many photos but I took my mechanized Craftworld with custom traits. I played against, Imperial Fists, Astra Militarum (4 super heavies), Ultramarines, Iron Hands, and Ravenguard (with 17 Centurions). I went 4-1 and placed 5th out of 34 in battle points (so close to top 3). The one loss was against Iron Hands which was in round 4. My list only had 13 models, which made me a bit nervous. However, Expert Crafters is such a fantastic ability for this style of army. I got to go first against Astra Militarum (round 2) and Ravenguard (round 5). I only lost one unit in the first turn against Iron Hands (round 4). The list turned out to be quite resilient and very hard hitting. With the CA 2019 now released, I need to make some small changes as my Crimson Hunter Exarchswent up 15 points each. Also, with such a small model count army, I was able to set up quickly, play faster and thus ensure every game finished within time.
First photo is beginning of game and nearly everything is out of LOS and there are 2 Centurions in Deep Strike (round 5).
Second photo was the end of my turn two and I've destroyed two super heavy tanks (round 2).
This is great thank you. I guess because of the units you have you done need the batallion CP?
Also is this strictly mechanised? Sure you got transports but you only have two characters riding in them. It's focus is vehicles so maybe it needs another name?
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CWE just won Slaaneshmas GT beating out Imperial Fists, Orks, and IH.
Four of the six GT's this past weekend included CWE in the top 4.
Twin starcannon wraithlords, night spinners, CHEs, nightwings, reapers, and vibro cannons all made an appearance. Two of the lists included a Yncarne.
Most lists took a custom craftworld with Expert Crafters/Masterful Shots. The one top 4 placing flyer spam list took Expert Crafters/Masters of Concealment instead.
Sean Nayden still doing Sean Nayden things with Biel-Tan, Sombre Sentinels, and Yncarne/Yvraine.
slave.entity wrote: CWE just won Slaaneshmas GT beating out Imperial Fists, Orks, and IH.
Four of the six GT's this past weekend included CWE in the top 4.
Twin starcannon wraithlords, night spinners, CHEs, nightwings, reapers, and vibro cannons all made an appearance. Two of the lists included a Yncarne.
Most lists took a custom craftworld with Expert Crafters/Masterful Shots. The one top 4 placing flyer spam list took Expert Crafters/Masters of Concealment instead.
Sean Nayden still doing Sean Nayden things with Biel-Tan, Sombre Sentinels, and Yncarne/Yvraine.
Alaitoc is no where in sight.
I think this is all Pre-CA points. correct?
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I always take foot tarch and hang out with reapers and stick them well in the back so he doesnt give away warlord easily. I give him falochus wing relic for that extra mobility in a pinch and save the points.
Eldar- 4436 pts
)? I'm not really sure what kinds of things I need to look out for to flesh this box out to a ~2k list.
