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 Argive wrote:
flacolns with Scorpions payload as objective grabbers. heard it here first folks

step away from the inside-o-headatron

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Turnip Jedi wrote:
So thinking Serpent spam might be back on the menu, maybe splash of Falcons for more pewpew and extra hiding places for our squishy footsloggers

Mechdar looks like a good early edition build, depending on how points shift going forward.

At least in the Eternal War missions!
I see like Wave Serpents with like Spirit Stones, maybe even vectored engines, just to be obnoxious. Then stuff them with Dire Avengers as objective holders, maybe even Wraithguard. They can body-block stuff from a point, screen a charge and shoot back with some pretty decent shuri-power and if they get popped suddenly you've got a bunch of obsec spilling out.

Not sure Falcons are really up to that particular job as much. They're less durable, heavy hits at -1 in combat and you're really gonna want to shoot the pulse laser at bigger stuff than what might be touching you. Probably better as something you keep back to take potshots before driving up as backup.

Oh aye the Falcons are bit of a coin flip but might be better at popping opposing transports than Serpents if mech lists are the early hotness in 9th

I built a 1750 list with that premise in mind based on current painted models .

1749 Pts
Battalion

Farseer, Guide, Doom, Focus Will
Warlock Conclave (2 models): Protect/Jinx

3 x 7 DA, 1 Exarch; Avenging Strike, Dual Catapults
3 x 1 Wave Serpent, Twin Cannons, Cannon

1 x 3 Hornets, Hornet Pulse Lasers
1 x 4 Shining Spears, 1 Exarch

3 x 1 Falcon, Starcannon, Pulse Laser, Twin Catapult

I'm still not sure about secondaries It can depend on opponent and overall familiarity with the army utility.

The Hornets, hoping they are still availablefor 9th edition, is the real firepower 'brick' unit. They put out 18, S6, -3AP, 2D shots. They are one unit, and I'd like to see how this unitinteracts with terrain.

The Warlock Conclave is to cast Jinx at 36" out of LOS with Focus Will assisting.

The army feels small at 1750. I'm hoping The points will be off and have more points available once they are known. But, the list has 9 vehicles with a fair amount of shooting.

Unless GW overhauls Iyanden I'm thinking of swapping to Wrath of the Dead and maybe one of the shuriken buff traits for the army.

The re-roll one die option is nice, but I'd rather get a flat buff over a re-roll.

Axe Wraithguard might be the choice to take a forward objective. They're durable as is, add protect and fortune, maybe a -1 to hit and you have a serious brick. They can perform actions if you need not charge. From there you have to hold two objectives in the back and kill the opponent off their forward objective. That's the theory for static play ofc and falls apart at first enemy contact ^^

Cpt. Icanus wrote:
Axe Wraithguard might be the choice to take a forward objective. They're durable as is, add protect and fortune, maybe a -1 to hit and you have a serious brick. They can perform actions if you need not charge. From there you have to hold two objectives in the back and kill the opponent off their forward objective. That's the theory for static play ofc and falls apart at first enemy contact ^^

Bubblewrapping a seer who can share their invul to Wraithblades might be an aggressive objective taker as well.

Possibly give the Spiritseer Faolchu's Wing so he can land within the Wraithblades unit.

 Sarigar wrote:
Possibly give the Spiritseer Faolchu's Wing so he can land within the Wraithblades unit.

Also an option. Thought was you could punt the Spritseer and a unit of Wraiths up the board (likely in a Wave Serpent so they get there faster) and start applying pressure rather early in the game to.a key objective or or opponent's back line. Blades will chew through stuff easier (though need the seer to share their invul), but axes are tanky and still appreciate the bonus the seer can give them.


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Anyone have thoughts about Wraithlord load outs in the new edition? I'm feeling swords are looking better, and the Aeldari Missile Launcher or Star Cannon could be nice but I haven't dug too deep yet.

 Sarigar wrote:


The army feels small at 1750. I'm hoping The points will be off and have more points available once they are known. But, the list has 9 vehicles with a fair amount of shooting.

This is the biggest thing I'm noticing while constructing new lists. Our armies were already fairly light on model count so things are only going to get tighter.

Also thinking of Wrath of the Dead and Superior Shuriken over Iyanden. Extra range for stuff like Dire Avengers and Guardians who need to hold objectives is never a bad deal, plus I'm looking at running around 1k of Wraith units.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Sarigar wrote:
Possibly give the Spiritseer Faolchu's Wing so he can land within the Wraithblades unit.

Also an option. Thought was you could punt the Spritseer and a unit of Wraiths up the board (likely in a Wave Serpent so they get there faster) and start applying pressure rather early in the game to.a key objective or or opponent's back line. Blades will chew through stuff easier (though need the seer to share their invul), but axes are tanky and still appreciate the bonus the seer can give them.


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Anyone have thoughts about Wraithlord load outs in the new edition? I'm feeling swords are looking better, and the Aeldari Missile Launcher or Star Cannon could be nice but I haven't dug too deep yet.

I've not found many instances where I needed to use the sword. With d6 damage, it is too random for my taste. I prefer the fist for a flat 3 damage.

After being reminded why AP0 sucks against Marines, I still think the Starcannon is a solid weapon. I've used two AML on a Wraithlord and it performed well. In 9th, it should have better utility, depending on points.

For starters i'll add EMLs on Wraithlords and Walkers, assuming points fit. Blast on the frag profile seems promissing. Serpents will prbly remain on Shuriken to add vectored engines, maybe even star engines.
I think of a backline battery of 3 Weaver platforns and a squad of Dark Reapers to fire and fade into cover. From there we'll see how many heavy slots will be needed. It's gonna be some serious listbuilding exercises though. So many thoughts, such incoherent posts, i need to get the book in my hands

I'm thinking that I want my Wraithlord weapons to be solid against infantry so that I can get them stuck in and still be shooting (and they're most likely to be tied up by infantry who might not want a wraithlord charging their tank). However, as pointed out, AP0 sucks, especially into cover. Maybe shuriken cannons, if they're still cheap and cheerful? Also agree with the Starcannons, they have a very wide range of valid targets and are very, very good against Primaris.

Starcannons with ignore cover are amazing against primaris. I used it to great effect in my last battle. Even shuriken cannons get a great boost for their rend with it.

I think going forwards MSU and mech spam is the way for anyone who can do it well and were one of the best at it. However, I also think it's down to how they price the wave serpent as it's almost a crutch unit for us it's so good.

I am really liking WW and vypers at the moment as they can both put out fair weight of fire with good movement option's as well.

Star cannons are sounding good. I was thinking the sword for bigger targets since it doesn't remove the fists as an option, but fair points all around.

We have a fairly good number of Custodes players locally as well. Any recommendations there?

My biggest problem in the past with war walkers has been that it was too easy for small infantry units to tie them up and make them useless. Between "outflanking" coming back, and the ability to shoot into troops tying them up, I'm liking them a lot better.

My current builds of double brightlances, however, are exactly what I don't need for that...again maybe looking at starcannons.

Standard disclaimer for not knowing the points anything will cost inserted here.

Ive run my serpent as backline anchor with twin BL + spirit stone with cover and EC. Very nice platform with a 2+/6+++ and damage reduction.

Im probably going to use a few more aml overall. Points depending.

 Argive wrote:
Ive run my serpent as backline anchor with twin BL + spirit stone with cover and EC. Very nice platform with a 2+/6+++ and damage reduction.

Im probably going to use a few more aml overall. Points depending.

So far, I played it differently using several Serpents with triple shuricannons moving gradually forward and constantly shooting the enemy.
The units inside were unmounted when needed, mostly 5 DA and 5 FD.

A snippet from the News and Rumors thread regarding new point values.


. Eldar are in a very tough spot. Even if points changes are a little deceptive for this army, they still have some large obstacles to overcome. I feel like currently the mission structure does not provide a great outlet for Eldar, as their speed is of less value on a smaller board (potentially), and they need to be able to sit on objectives to claim them. Their durability in the past version of the rules revolved around massive penalties to hit, and that is not the case any longer with capped modifiers to hit. Things like the Night Spinner going up 25 points, Fire Prisms going up 30 points, and Shining Spears going up 15 points a model will all be large blows to this army, as these were commonly seen, competitive units. Flyers will be of lesser impact, though they both went up about 10%. Troops also went up quite a bit, with Guardian Defenders going up 2 points (platforms 7), Rangers up 3 points, and Storm Guardians also going up 3 points will put a tax on many of these units. I don’t think it’s a great time to be a Craftworlds player, but they do still have some very competitively pointed psykers and perhaps other units will come to the fore as the choice – Wave Serpents are extremely good in this version of the rules and I expect that to be the default choice in the future. Roomba game still strong.


Edit:

https://youtu.be/cQY932e6hN4

Striking Scorpion82 details every Craftworld point increase in the beginning of the video.

Uuuugh.... thatdoes not sound great. Pretty much what i feared.

Guardians at 10pts.. rangers15 pts

Shining spears almost doubling lol..

Someone on the Warhammer Competetive subreddit transcribed the video for Crafteorld players: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nYKpsM77UKA6DVGztslVfZf5w1Z0piKb1K-6txaQCcM/edit?usp=drivesdk


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Looks like some of the points increases roll innstandard wargear costs meaning that the end points bump isn't that high, but it's still a points bump.


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Also, huh. Axe Wraiths are cheaper than the swords if I read thst correctly?

 Sarigar wrote:
Eldar are in a very tough spot.

Goonhammer had a similar cross faction write up. My interpretation is that it's not doom and gloom time yet, but until a new codex we have a system that further entrenches the winners and losers units of 8e.

https://www.goonhammer.com/the-9th-edition-munitorum-field-manual-points-review/?fbclid=IwAR2iDtdx9Dc9Z2Y24VoMGiq-2EiXGFjBdAFy-TRd2VnNI-Eoi1cF_Z7tiHI

"I can’t pretend that these changes aren’t rough, but the key requirement is being able to still build a mobile, durable force, which you definitely can. It is a real shame that a whole bunch of mid tier stuff gets thrown straight back on the scrapheap – Howling Banshees and Striking Scorpions both get inexplicably massive above-rate increases as a final screw you."

I assume the final points include wargear...

They must do. No way is a single dark reaper like 40+ pts lol

 Argive wrote:
I assume the final points include wargear...

They must do. No way is a single dark reaper like 40+ pts lol

Some units got the points for weapons rolled in -- dark reapers, fire dragons.

I dont see why you would not take scorpions as your infantry over anything else.

Scropion spam! I called it

 Argive wrote:
I dont see why you would not take scorpions as your infantry over anything else.

Scropion spam! I called it

I love my scorpions, but a 44% price increase definitely cuts into their efficiency!

they are still the cheapest infantry outside of storm guardians now tho...

 Argive wrote:
they are still the cheapest infantry outside of storm guardians now tho...

Indeed. Regular guardians are 10. Our infantry got disproportionately hit with our price increases. Efficiency-wise, definitely steers us into less infantry. How the new rules and missions will support that or not I'm not yet certain.

Well, looks rather confusing as they shifted the model cost and the wargear/weapon cost slightly.
Wargear/weapons often got cheaper and model cost went up.