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Err, yes, oops.
That was planned indeed, thanks for reminding me

Two more clothy bits, still no clue how to do it outside of sheer dumb luck.
Also looking a bit too top heavy I think. I've always been meaning to add the odd skull, but he already looks kinda busy with the cloth shoulders.
And there is also the matter of the trophy rack. neither the old nor the new fit. I don't really know what to do.maybe something similar to abaddon.
A bunch skulls might wotk but I'd rather not go too heavy on that, least not on non khorne marked.

Calling this one done and working on making his mirror with the cataphracti legs.
Which so far is turning out to be way more challenging and I'm not sure that will work, but I'm too far to turn back now.

These models are great, dude!

Fantastic work Roknar! That's some damn good conversion work.

Next set of legs in progress (with a missing stud)

Put together the legs. now I hope I don't mangle the toes too much trying to fill that in.

These are really grand! I hear what you're saying about the gribblies versus the disciplined look. Chaos leaves a lot of room for interpretation and you could reasonably accept both as a reasonable vision of how the warp provides the dark reflections for the human soul. I personally am more in the line of your disciplined look. It's more compelling, character-wise, a little more tragic.

That Terminator with the trophy rack is really dynamic looking - great silhouette, really carries the motion well.

Exactly, for me Chaos Marines work best when they are actual characters. With motivations thoughts, and ambitions.
And for Black Legion specifically that means a sense brotherhood, which doesn't work as well if they're simply "the villains", or all berserk/mad all the time like the csm in that movie that shall not be named.
That also then goes on to the models, the less "human" they look, the more they are detached from these things and they become something else.

At least for non cult models and certainly those higher up on the totem pole who would have a stronger will to resist the touch of chaos despite it being a futile endeavor.
Cult marines would have given up some degree of control, starting a downward spiral into becoming puppets of their respective gods.
So it makes sense that these would be a bit more unhinged. It is a rare individual indeed that can follow a god and stay somewhat sane.

Really good conversions these, you've got the "chains, spikes 'n' furs" motif down without going OTT with it.

 Roknar wrote:
Exactly, for me Chaos Marines work best when they are actual characters. With motivations thoughts, and ambitions.
And for Black Legion specifically that means a sense brotherhood, which doesn't work as well if they're simply "the villains", or all berserk/mad all the time like the csm in that movie that shall not be named.
That also then goes on to the models, the less "human" they look, the more they are detached from these things and they become something else.

At least for non cult models and certainly those higher up on the totem pole who would have a stronger will to resist the touch of chaos despite it being a futile endeavor.
Cult marines would have given up some degree of control, starting a downward spiral into becoming puppets of their respective gods.
So it makes sense that these would be a bit more unhinged. It is a rare individual indeed that can follow a god and stay somewhat sane.

Completely agree. It's fun to play those tensions off each other too, with the temptation of power always hanging over them, available only at the cost of madness, you realize that chaos marines are actually some of the mentally strongest individuals (or at least single-minded) in the galaxy.

I don't know if I can explain quite what I mean, but it's like; we have a template for what an Astartes is, loyal, transhuman supersoldier. Then the heresy happens, and a lot of Astartes (and primarchs!) don't know what to do with themselves - the core sense of their identity has been gutted. So some loyalists fall into despair and go on quests of redemption, but most, like Guilliman and Dorn, go on a crusade of rebuilding and consolidation so that Never Again does a civil war break out. For the renegades, so many of them fall into infighting and despair and just lose themselves utterly to Chaos - but the Black Legion offers a new, constructive, identity for them - something they can build on and develop. That's really interesting to me - most Astartes never make a choice in their lives, ever since they were kids they were psychoindoctrinated to obey. The Black Legion is all about making choices. It's why I think the Priimaris-replacement storyline is actually compelling, and it would be really neat if it ended up leading to a second civil war - can you imagine all tacticals, rather than be replaced or cross the Rubicon Primaris, decide to go renegade?

Anyhoo. Alls to say, I think your conversions here do a great job of capturing the spirit of the disciplined (but still just a bit gribbly!) Chaos Warbands. Are you planning on including any cult models in the near future? It would be fun to see your take on them.

I pretty much agree with everything you said.
The black legion is so much more than "vanilla csm", which while we're at it, also goes for ultramarines.
As for the Black Legion, one part I also like, is that they effectively did what NO other Legion has done.
Even back in the good old days, there were rivalries between the various legions, which have only gotten worse over time, on both sides.
And yet Abaddon has somehow managed to unite all colours of marines under a common cause. And not just when pushing for a crusade.

And this calls to exactly what you said, the basics of what an astartes is.

Also this, soo this:

chaos marines are actually some of the mentally strongest individuals (or at least single-minded) in the galaxy.

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Oh and yes, cult units are planned, like 2030 or so given my snails pace.

 Roknar wrote:
I pretty much agree with everything you said.
The black legion is so much more than "vanilla csm", which while we're at it, also goes for ultramarines.
As for the Black Legion, one part I also like, is that they effectively did what NO other Legion has done.
Even back in the good old days, there were rivalries between the various legions, which have only gotten worse over time, on both sides.
And yet Abaddon has somehow managed to unite all colours of marines under a common cause. And not just when pushing for a crusade.

And this calls to exactly what you said, the basics of what an astartes is.

Also this, soo this:

chaos marines are actually some of the mentally strongest individuals (or at least single-minded) in the galaxy.

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Oh and yes, cult units are planned, like 2030 or so given my snails pace.

Absolutely agree. The Black Legion books are really helping fix this issue too. At least lore wise, less so on the tabletop. I am loving the Terminators Roknar, especially the "clothy bits" you don't seem to know how you're making. lol.

This is kind of the idea I'm going for.
The axe arm is going to need some work, not quite sure how to go about that yet.
Gotta say I'm a bit a afraid he might end up being a bit hulking up top, the angles are mighty sharp for them cataphractii shoulders.
I'll cross that bridge when I get there.

Hmm, when I first saw it I didn't see it as "hulking" as much as him striding forward very intently. Especially looking at him head-on like that. But I can also see maybe raising the waist a little and keeping the step a little more shallow. I like the ax at wasit height like that.

Are you planning on making a 10-man squad of 50/50 Cataphractii and 40k Terminators?

He isn't hulking yet, but once I add the catphractii shoulders and hide the gaps it might be. I cut the arm a bit to change the angle and I think that should solve that problem. The legs are already fixed, but the intent stride thing is what I was going for so that's ok. Making it more shallow would have made it look the same as the regular legs, except a different pattern.

As for the mix, I'm not sure.
In this case I wanted to use the eye of horus belt buckle and removing that was not so easy. And I was a bit converned it wouldn't fit well with the new models so I ended up using the cataphractii torso.
And then I had the legs lying around and figured I might as well use them, though I was concerned they were too skinny.

Getting towards the end of this model, I think I quite like the last two models, but they're a lot of work.
I'm trying to make each terminator somewhat unique and this is a convenient way to achieve that.
I'm definitely considering it for the remaining 3 . Not making a heavy weapon terminator as don't see the point with the current rules, we'll see with 9th.
I do like the look, but I'll likely wait for csm dex 3.0 before considering that.

still plan on adding chains and the odd skull or horn to the shoulders.
And I'm not sure how I feel about the waist, seems a bit on the skinny side compared to the shoulders., but only from behind.
I'm also not completely sold on the head. I was hoping I could make that a bit more interesting when painting.

I really like it when they add cables under the skin and such but I don't think I can pull that off.
Modelling corruption would be out, I'd only make it worse. I don't hate it, but I feel like it could be better.

plasma is passable from a distance. It's based on an older csm plasma pistol, cut down the middle and extended a bit via copper cabling.
The grip is an old school berzerker axe that did not have a hand attached, I really really miss those weapons.

Lovely models mate!

You’ve made him have a great dynamic pose and the mixed generations of armour are perfect for Chaos Terminators too. The green stuff fur is fantastically done too, it even gives a nice sense of speed to him. Looking forward to the rest of the squad!

He's looking mean! I don't personally see a problem with his waste myself, I think it looks proportional. Likewise, I actually really like what you did with his combi-plasma.The little spacer or whatever this is that you put on top of both hides the join, or rather makes the join look like a byproduct of the manufacturing process.

Calling this one done I think.
But I'm pretty much out of bare heads that I would consider.
If anybody has a source of heads it would be much appreciated.
I tried looking at age of sigmar, but nothing really works there imo, save for the odd character or god specific heads which are not really on the menu yet.'
nu-marines also didn't really strike me as useful, like maybe one or two heads per box and the rest I wouldn't be able to use.
There is no way I'll be able to make my own. I lowkey tried following a tutorial for a skull but that was an epic fail.

Number 8 is officially underway

Ooh, is that the Chaos Biker head? That is one of my favorite heads of all time - it is so expressive and angry. Fits your Legion aesthetics perfectly.

Honestly, in terms of sources of heads, I say go with 10 chaos biker heads and call it a day!

I like the axe resting on his shoulderpad there. Excited to see him grow a pair of legs.

Yep, that's the one.
Altough in this case it's more a placeholder I think.
I was planning to go with the havoc head and add some cables since he already has connection ports and I am somehwat trying to for that 3d edition cover look.
Not decided on hair yet. On the one hand I don't want any to stay true to the inspiration, on the other hand I want to with old school tassets on the shoulders and belt, flowing in the direction of the plasma and that would a nice bit of flow.

Working on the legs.

Need to do add the piston on the front leg and some way to attach a skull or so on on his hip.
Turns out I missed a part and his right thigh plate is way too thick, gonna have to cover that up.
I also kind of want to add the shoulder lenses/lights as per the older sculpts.

could use some feedback on the tassets.
They're supposed to be leather and I want them to have some movement
I'm going to add similar straps to the shoulders also moving in the same direction,but I'm not sure if this is a bit much.
Nevermind potentially adding some weights on the tips, though I'm not sure how to do that.

I like the look of it but I'm tempted to just leave it like this.

Toned down the movement on the hip a bit , looks better to me.
I tried the same thing on the shoulder. Not quite convinced yet, but I'm not sure where else to go with that so it'll probably stay like that.
I did plan on adding a bit of fur lining along the edges, on the one had to differentiate it further from those already using similar shoulders and on the other to smoothen the transition, not quite happy how that turned out.

Ok, finally....
Took me a while to get around to finishing this guy but I think it's done.
2 more to go. And now with the buffs coming up, I wonder if I should make autocannon guys, I do like the look.

Man that guy looks dope! Really dig the cablework on his power axe, love the way it's curving. Are those brass details on the shin guards?