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 Melissia wrote:
I'm really liking the new rules and points. I'm considering a very basic mechanized sisters list, and I'm surprised with howm uch I can fit in to 2000 points.

I'm interested to hear about your list. Will you post it somewhere?

Finally got my first game in and I have to say, Miracle Dice are nice. It's like anytime you are thinking, "I might want to use a Command Reroll if I fail this roll" you can instead insert the lowest necessary Miracle Dice and Win

Now it is just a matter of deciding how much is enough and is it worth buying upgrades to use more than 1 a phase.

And Faith and Fury is awesome with Meltaguns. This 3 or 4 hits and wounds you. Make your save at -4. You failed? Simulacrum Imperialis for another Miracle Dice: take 6 damage.

I like Faith and Fury as a stratagem, but I really feel like it is over costed and should be 1CP. 2 just feels like a huge investment with all of the other really good stratagems at your disposal.

Lemondish wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
I'm really liking the new rules and points. I'm considering a very basic mechanized sisters list, and I'm surprised with how much I can fit in to 2000 points.

I'm interested to hear about your list. Will you post it somewhere?

Already did. It's in the army list forum, at the moment of this post, like third from the top.

Lemondish wrote:

 Jancoran wrote:

Oberron wrote:
I'd go with the most recent printing with the field manual. As much as I'd like to run 6 mortifiers.

Clearly the datasheet always takes precedence. Points are just points.

Is it really all that clear?.

Yes.

Is everyone running sisters squads 5 strong with 2 storm bolters?? Really tempted to give a couple squads a heavy bolter and let them camp on backfield objectives.
Was thinking of 6 minimum squads of sisters, 2 with HB / SB 3 with 2 X SB and a single squad in an immolator with heavy flamer, flamer and combi flamer and use them as suicide/ counter attacking unit.

 Jancoran wrote:

Lemondish wrote:

 Jancoran wrote:

Oberron wrote:
I'd go with the most recent printing with the field manual. As much as I'd like to run 6 mortifiers.

Clearly the datasheet always takes precedence. Points are just points.

Is it really all that clear?.

Yes.

Yes...clear as mud. Just had a TO mention they're leaning toward following the field manual outside of clearly borked entries like Deathwatch, so that, while anecdotal, suggests that the convenience of it being all in one place and easily updated takes precedence. I'm not surprised - data sheets are just for power level anyway. It's also never ever mentioned anywhere that data sheets take precedence, as far as I can see.

It does sound like 1-6 is the intent, so I hope they update that soon.

Rogerio134134 wrote:
Is everyone running sisters squads 5 strong with 2 storm bolters?? Really tempted to give a couple squads a heavy bolter and let them camp on backfield objectives.
Was thinking of 6 minimum squads of sisters, 2 with HB / SB 3 with 2 X SB and a single squad in an immolator with heavy flamer, flamer and combi flamer and use them as suicide/ counter attacking unit.

I used to run units of 10 but morale really screws you.

Rogerio134134 wrote:
Is everyone running sisters squads 5 strong with 2 storm bolters?? Really tempted to give a couple squads a heavy bolter and let them camp on backfield objectives.
Was thinking of 6 minimum squads of sisters, 2 with HB / SB 3 with 2 X SB and a single squad in an immolator with heavy flamer, flamer and combi flamer and use them as suicide/ counter attacking unit.

I feel sisters are cheap enough that I'd rather do something else with those 12 points. But I suppose it's an idea.

Tabletop Tactics have a new battle report up. Unfortunately they're still working with their beta-dex meta list since they don't buy models that aren't in the tournament meta so its a weird Immolator spam list.

Rogerio134134 wrote:
Is everyone running sisters squads 5 strong with 2 storm bolters?? Really tempted to give a couple squads a heavy bolter and let them camp on backfield objectives.
Was thinking of 6 minimum squads of sisters, 2 with HB / SB 3 with 2 X SB and a single squad in an immolator with heavy flamer, flamer and combi flamer and use them as suicide/ counter attacking unit.

I run the 2x SB option. If my backfield objective campers are shooting, they're not racking up Engineers points - plus a minimal loadout also means I don't lose anything for keeping them out of line of sight.

Just to make sure I'm not missing something, superiors don't have the option for storm bolters any more?

Correct. You need legends option for that

Am I missing something or does the Ebon Chalice conviction seem kinda bad?
Having to throw away a miracle dice just to make another miracle dice a 6 seems like you would burn through your dice really fast.

Depends on what you are using the Miracle Dice for and what the two dice you are using are. Tossing two 1's to get a 6 on a d6 Damage roll sounds really good to me.

And don't forget Ebon Chalice also has a 5+++ versus Mortal Wounds, a not bad Warlord Trait (first Miracle Dice is a 6 and you get 1d3 Command Points), and a not bad Stratagem (2 CP for max dice roll for flame weapons for a squad).

I mean it doesn't seem too bad for me, just not how I want to play my army.

Anyone else think Beneficience is amazing?

Beneficence is amazing against the right targets. Against chaff and elite units and hq it is amazing. Less so against anything monstrous or with decent invo and wounds to soak it up. It's even more amazing on a Cannoness with the Righteous Rage WL trait for those rerolls. Had a Cannoness the other day take out a units of zombies and take Typhus down to 1 wound from full before going down (ran out of CP to bring her back, darn, that would have been beautiful.)

 dan2026 wrote:
Am I missing something or does the Ebon Chalice conviction seem kinda bad?
Having to throw away a miracle dice just to make another miracle dice a 6 seems like you would burn through your dice really fast.

Nah. Its pretty good. I'm generally finding I have an excess of miracle dice, usially 4-5 by turn 3 and at least one or two of them are always going to be low so it gives them a use.

 Giantwalkingchair wrote:
Beneficence is amazing against the right targets. Against chaff and elite units and hq it is amazing. Less so against anything monstrous or with decent invo and wounds to soak it up. It's even more amazing on a Cannoness with the Righteous Rage WL trait for those rerolls. Had a Cannoness the other day take out a units of zombies and take Typhus down to 1 wound from full before going down (ran out of CP to bring her back, darn, that would have been beautiful.)

Nice! I'm planning on my Warlord canoness being exactly that. Bonus points because I'm playing Bloody Rose, so she gets an additional -1 ap on all attacks, and an additional attack on the charge.

Other canoness is gonna be a rising heroine (or whatever the second warlord trait rule is called) with the miracle die generating warlord trait.

Yeah she's an absolute blender. I didn't even have a priest near her for the extra attack either. But I'd definately keep her in imagifier range for the extra strength, just pushes her up from alright to murderhobo.

Yeah, Canonesses can really be good if you invest in them a little. I like the idea of a Bloody Rose one with Benificence and the BR trait using the BR strat for +1 to wound. I call her the Murderess, and she should kill anything she gets a hold of up to a Daemon Prince. 9 attacks or something on the charge. Valorous Heart can do more of a tanky Canoness with the VH trait and either the 3++ or only wound on 4+ relic. Probably give her a Blessed Blade so she actually can hit stuff back. VH trait isn't that amazing though so maybe take something else instead.

Add to that reroll to wound warlord trait...

...need impressive looking chainsword. Whenever canoness is released


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 ZergSmasher wrote:
Yeah, Canonesses can really be good if you invest in them a little. I like the idea of a Bloody Rose one with Benificence and the BR trait using the BR strat for +1 to wound. I call her the Murderess, and she should kill anything she gets a hold of up to a Daemon Prince. 9 attacks or something on the charge. Valorous Heart can do more of a tanky Canoness with the VH trait and either the 3++ or only wound on 4+ relic. Probably give her a Blessed Blade so she actually can hit stuff back. VH trait isn't that amazing though so maybe take something else instead.

I liked inv booster. Albeit with celestine. 3/4 saves ignoring -2 made tough core

The only other off beat Cannoness I can think of is one with the Wrath of the Emperor pistol and blessed weapon.
4 S5 ap-3 D2 ranged attacks (bloody rose) and 7 S6 ap-5 Dd3 combat attacks (BR WL trait, priest and imagifier support; 1 less attack if want to keep the reroll from generic sisters WL trait)
Will make short work of basic units and lay hurt on elite.

Considering Storm Bolters seem to be quite in vogue for Sisters these days how are people planning to get so many of them considering I think there are only 2 in a ten nun box?

Lots of converting?

 dan2026 wrote:
Considering Storm Bolters seem to be quite in vogue for Sisters these days how are people planning to get so many of them considering I think there are only 2 in a ten nun box?

Lots of converting?

There's 4 in the box

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:

 dan2026 wrote:
Considering Storm Bolters seem to be quite in vogue for Sisters these days how are people planning to get so many of them considering I think there are only 2 in a ten nun box?

Lots of converting?

There's 4 in the box

Really?
That's surprisingly generous for GW.

 dan2026 wrote:

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:

 dan2026 wrote:
Considering Storm Bolters seem to be quite in vogue for Sisters these days how are people planning to get so many of them considering I think there are only 2 in a ten nun box?

Lots of converting?

There's 4 in the box

Really?
That's surprisingly generous for GW.

it really is, I think whomever is doing the model line for sisters clearly wants to "do right by them" to pay them back for the long delay

BrianDavion wrote:

 dan2026 wrote:

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:

 dan2026 wrote:
Considering Storm Bolters seem to be quite in vogue for Sisters these days how are people planning to get so many of them considering I think there are only 2 in a ten nun box?

Lots of converting?

There's 4 in the box

Really?
That's surprisingly generous for GW.

it really is, I think whomever is doing the model line for sisters clearly wants to "do right by them" to pay them back for the long delay

I preordered 2 boxes from my FLGS. My intent is to make 2 Battle Sisters squads with 2 SB in each and 2 Dominion Squads with 4 Meltaguns + Combimelta. If there's 4 of each gun then that's awesome and I'll basically have the core of my army ready to go. I'll need to get 3 Exorcists at some point as well, but money's kind of tight for the near future (only reason I'm getting the two BSS boxes is with the remainder of my store credit from selling my CSM army).

yeah the sister battle box is a great thing, I mean something like 50% of our army will be built from it

All the Sisters squad boxes are great tbh, tho the retributors are the least exciting cause os much cost for only five minis.