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 ierp wrote:
Hello, what is the general consensus - if there is one - on how to set up a repentia squad?

1) Rhino or not rhino?

2) If in rhino, should I take 8 repentia to put the repentia superrior and a priest in the rhino too?

3) By foot, should I play more than 9 to avoid geting her wiped out by the time they arrive in close range?

Thanks you in advance

If you ever plan to move forward rather than hide behind LOS blocking terrain ready to counter charge rhino. Then rhino for sure. And if you still haven't got rhino add rhino

Even with celestian and celestian with +1 inv they will get blown up. Mind you having those 2 nearby would still be useful. Rhino isn't invulnerable transport after all.

For 2 yes at least for priest. Repentia superior if you can afford her.

 Grundz wrote:
Bloody rose sisters finished top 5 again at a GT
This time basically abandoning everything but bloody rose except for the canoness that guarantees the first turn charge


==Mixed Battalion Detachment (+5 cp)==
HQ: Celestine [160]

HQ:Cannoness (45), bolt gun and chainsword (0) [45] WARLORD – Terrible Knowledge, RELIC – Litanies of Faith (Ebon Chalice)

HQ: Inquisitor, bolt gun and chainsword (0) [55] (Xenos – terrify)

Elite: Imagifier [45] Tale of the Warrior (Bloody Rose)

Troops: 5 Sisters of Battle, bolt gun (0 and chainsword on superior (0) [45] (Bloody Rose)

Troops: 5 Sisters of Battle, bolt gun (0 and chainsword on superior (0) [45] (Bloody Rose)

Troops: 5 Sisters of Battle, bolt gun (0 and chainsword on superior (0) [45] (Bloody Rose)

==Bloody Rose Battalion Detachment (+5 cp)==

HQ: Cannoness(45), bolt gun and chainsword(0) [45]

HQ: Missionary, shotgun and bolt pistol (0) [38]

Troops: 5 Sisters of Battle, bolt gun (0 and chainsword on superior (0) [45]

Troops: 5 Sisters of Battle, bolt gun (0 and chainsword on superior (0) [45]

Troops: 5 Sisters of Battle, bolt gun (0 and chainsword on superior (0) [45]

Fast Attack: 10 Seraphim (110), 4 inferno pistols (28), plasma pistol (5) [143]

Fast Attack: 8 Seraphim (88), 4 inferno pistols (28) [116]

Fast Attack: 8 Seraphim (88), 4 inferno pistols (28) [116]

No Slot: Repentia Superior (35), bolt pistol(0) [35]

Elite: 9 Repentia [117]

Elite: 9 Repentia [117]

Elite: 9 Repentia [117]

Elite: 9 Zephyrim (117), Zephyrim Pendant (5), 9 power swords (36) [158]

Elite: 9 Zephyrim (117), 9 power swords (36) [153]

Elite: 8 Zephyrim (104), 8 power swords (32) [136]

Similar to the one that took 20th at LVO.


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Was that INquisitor essential?

 Jancoran wrote:
Was that INquisitor essential?

I would imagine being able to shut off overwatch against Tau/IH is kind of a big deal.

New IG tanks are often enough also sporting 5+ overwatch these days. With # of shots no overwatch certainly saves some sisters.

 Jancoran wrote:

 Grundz wrote:
Bloody rose sisters finished top 5 again at a GT
This time basically abandoning everything but bloody rose except for the canoness that guarantees the first turn charge


==Mixed Battalion Detachment (+5 cp)==
HQ: Celestine [160]

HQ:Cannoness (45), bolt gun and chainsword (0) [45] WARLORD – Terrible Knowledge, RELIC – Litanies of Faith (Ebon Chalice)

HQ: Inquisitor, bolt gun and chainsword (0) [55] (Xenos – terrify)

Elite: Imagifier [45] Tale of the Warrior (Bloody Rose)

Troops: 5 Sisters of Battle, bolt gun (0 and chainsword on superior (0) [45] (Bloody Rose)

Troops: 5 Sisters of Battle, bolt gun (0 and chainsword on superior (0) [45] (Bloody Rose)

Troops: 5 Sisters of Battle, bolt gun (0 and chainsword on superior (0) [45] (Bloody Rose)

==Bloody Rose Battalion Detachment (+5 cp)==

HQ: Cannoness(45), bolt gun and chainsword(0) [45]

HQ: Missionary, shotgun and bolt pistol (0) [38]

Troops: 5 Sisters of Battle, bolt gun (0 and chainsword on superior (0) [45]

Troops: 5 Sisters of Battle, bolt gun (0 and chainsword on superior (0) [45]

Troops: 5 Sisters of Battle, bolt gun (0 and chainsword on superior (0) [45]

Fast Attack: 10 Seraphim (110), 4 inferno pistols (28), plasma pistol (5) [143]

Fast Attack: 8 Seraphim (88), 4 inferno pistols (28) [116]

Fast Attack: 8 Seraphim (88), 4 inferno pistols (28) [116]

No Slot: Repentia Superior (35), bolt pistol(0) [35]

Elite: 9 Repentia [117]

Elite: 9 Repentia [117]

Elite: 9 Repentia [117]

Elite: 9 Zephyrim (117), Zephyrim Pendant (5), 9 power swords (36) [158]

Elite: 9 Zephyrim (117), 9 power swords (36) [153]

Elite: 8 Zephyrim (104), 8 power swords (32) [136]

Similar to the one that took 20th at LVO.


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Was that INquisitor essential?

And, sadly, an illegal list because the FAQ to fix the box set canoness made boltguns, inadvertent or not, a Legends option for the canoness.

It appears that not all orders are equal.
I want to model mine as Golden Light, like the scene and I also have over a dozen pots of Retributor armour from an ebay deal. Golden Light are based on Order of our Martyred Lady so.

1. Do the six official follow up Orders Minoris fully follow their parent Order? So can I mix and match which doctrines they follow. The book says they can but it is unclear as to whether that applies to homebrew Orders Minoris or all Order Minoris.

2. Is they anything significantly wrong with following Martyred Lady doctrines anyway? I wont be using the special character which I would technically be able to take a 'copy' of, if I change doctrines.

3. If forced or encouraged to play Martyred Lady doctrines how should this effect my listbuilding? More plasma, more repentia etc?

Technically, if you play a Minor Order you are allowed to select the Order Conviction of your choice, but you do not gain access to the Order Warlord Trait, Stratagem, or Relic as you are not a member of that Order.

Consequentially, everyone just plays counts as order instead.

tneva82 wrote:

 ierp wrote:
Hello, what is the general consensus - if there is one - on how to set up a repentia squad?

1) Rhino or not rhino?

2) If in rhino, should I take 8 repentia to put the repentia superrior and a priest in the rhino too?

3) By foot, should I play more than 9 to avoid geting her wiped out by the time they arrive in close range?

Thanks you in advance

If you ever plan to move forward rather than hide behind LOS blocking terrain ready to counter charge rhino. Then rhino for sure. And if you still haven't got rhino add rhino

Even with celestian and celestian with +1 inv they will get blown up. Mind you having those 2 nearby would still be useful. Rhino isn't invulnerable transport after all.

For 2 yes at least for priest. Repentia superior if you can afford her.

For sisters Rhino has invuln its called Sororitas Rhino, and has Shield of faith. Thus has invuln Only vehicles that don't in sisters are pentengine/Mortifiers.


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In my games, We thought Geminies for Celestine were seperate unit since they have a different table. Are they a separate table or one with celestine?


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 alextroy wrote:
Technically, if you play a Minor Order you are allowed to select the Order Conviction of your choice, but you do not gain access to the Order Warlord Trait, Stratagem, or Relic as you are not a member of that Order.

Consequentially, everyone just plays counts as order instead.

Each Minor order is has their major order that they come from so, say if you play Order of the Ashen shrine, then you be doing sacred rose order. Since that is the order that they fall under. Each minor order fall under a corresponding order. That is how I would play it. I am planning on filling every detachment for every order and minor order. (There goes 8/9 years of my life!)

Great article for dissecting Sisters strengths and weaknesses. A must read...

https://www.goonhammer.com/start-competing-sisters-of-battle-tactics/

 davidgr33n wrote:
Great article for dissecting Sisters strengths and weaknesses. A must read...

https://www.goonhammer.com/start-competing-sisters-of-battle-tactics/

The guy who isntvsold on Zephyrim? I mean ...

 davidgr33n wrote:
Great article for dissecting Sisters strengths and weaknesses. A must read...

https://www.goonhammer.com/start-competing-sisters-of-battle-tactics/

I was just about to post this. Very much worth the read, especially if you're like me and still in the early stages of amassing a Sisters army.

 Xfrawg wrote:

For sisters Rhino has invuln its called Sororitas Rhino, and has Shield of faith. Thus has invuln Only vehicles that don't in sisters are pentengine/Mortifiers.

Guess could have phrased better. They have invulnerable save but they aren't invulnerable aka never going to die. They are still just marginally tougher rhino's aka if enemy wants it dead they usually do get it dead. Ergo having celestine and another +1 inv save aura nearby isn't waste as you have quite decent chance of ending out of rhino anyway so the 4++ comes into play after all.

 TaikishiMade wrote:


And, sadly, an illegal list because the FAQ to fix the box set canoness made boltguns, inadvertent or not, a Legends option for the canoness.

You should let ITC know to invalidate all sisters results that include this option sir knight.


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 Ordana wrote:

 Jancoran wrote:
Was that INquisitor essential?

I would imagine being able to shut off overwatch against Tau/IH is kind of a big deal.

There are a couple things like salamander/IH/IF aggressors or centurions that you simply cannot absorb the overwatch from

 Jancoran wrote:

 davidgr33n wrote:
Great article for dissecting Sisters strengths and weaknesses. A must read...

https://www.goonhammer.com/start-competing-sisters-of-battle-tactics/

The guy who isntvsold on Zephyrim? I mean ...

He talks about that in this article, he's sold on them now.

Nice article, and the first time I have seen the Zephyrim squad models.

tneva82 wrote:

 Xfrawg wrote:

For sisters Rhino has invuln its called Sororitas Rhino, and has Shield of faith. Thus has invuln Only vehicles that don't in sisters are pentengine/Mortifiers.

Guess could have phrased better. They have invulnerable save but they aren't invulnerable aka never going to die. They are still just marginally tougher rhino's aka if enemy wants it dead they usually do get it dead. Ergo having celestine and another +1 inv save aura nearby isn't waste as you have quite decent chance of ending out of rhino anyway so the 4++ comes into play after all.

Ah yeah' junith or another canoness that has the warlord trait that allows you to do it. Then you have mericle dice. So if your rolls been suck and have a 4+. Now the hospitaller say it heals D3 wounds to a MODEL. Not infinity. Would that also mean you can repair the rhino. Thus it is a model.

As I’ve been playing with lists the last couple months I’ve come to a dichotomy of 2 builds, either go in all BR for the offensive buffs or go all in with VH mainly for their Ignore AP-2 bubbles and 6+++.

It’s really hard to fit in a solid offensive BR component (maybe battalion) and a solid VH component, mainly due to the number of support characters required to give buffs and auras. I also like to have around at least 12 CP at start so there is also that consideration.
My first lists were a Vanguard VH of 3 Exos / Canoness with a BR Brigade with Celestian bomb core and Zephyrim. It actually did well but considering how much AP-2 weaponry there is that I was getting chewed by I decided to skew back to VH.

Now I’m on the other spectrum with a VH brigade as a defensive core and 9 Mortifiers / 3 Seraphim units as my offensive element.
I’ve been surprised by the speed and offensive capabilities of the Mortifiers, their main drawback being their weak 4+ save and that they don’t benefit from any of the Order convictions. That said, they each have 2 Heavy Bolters shooting at BS3+ on a 56 pt package, have 15 attacks each at Str6 AP-2 (pen flails) and move 9” (shooting the HBs at BS3 due to making them “Assault” weapons). In addition they do have a built in 6+++ and due to having the Adepta Sororitas keyword can use strategems like Holy Rage and Desperate for Redemption. Unfortunately can’t use MD for the charge roll :(

I’m not 100% sold on them, but merging their strong offensive capability (at a cheaper cost to BR due to not needing character support) with the excellent defensive play of my VH Brigade has allowed me to kind of merge the two list capabilities into one.

I know a lot has been made of Zephyrim which are definitely a great unit but requiring some buffs to really make them a heavy hitter. My thoughts with Mortifiers is they can add their offensive capabilities T1 and are more so of a threat than Zephyrim.

Ten Mortifiers cost slightly more than 3 full units of Zephyrim, / 10 Mortifiers will put out 30 HB shots and 150 S6 attacks while 30 Zephyrim in BR without Missionary support puts out 90 Str 3 attacks and negligible shooting. Yes they can reroll wounds and can get to the shwerpunkt more consistently than Mortifiers, I just don’t think they contribute as much as Mortifiers.
I’d love to hear thoughts on which is more effective and if I should reconsider using Zephyrim rather than Mortifiers.

Celestine can give Adeptus Ministorum *units* a 6++, thus the Mortifiers can get a small boost from this if they are next to her.

Consider Flagellants. You can take the inquisitor that can cast a 5++ on an Imperium infantry unit. This makes them 6.5 points per wound with 5++, 5++ which makes them as cost effective as Plaguebearers.

I'm in the same boat as you thinking about mixed VH/BR, but am coming to the conclusion you can't take enough of either in mixed. Thus I'm leaning on full VH but with the non BR melee options.

Another thing to think about is the cheese "mixed" detachment that Ad-Mech have had to resort to. Forgo the "Forge World" benefit for the stratagems. For example a unit of Ebon Chalice flamers getting Auto 24 hits etc.

I've been juggling VH and BR like you, and also trying for Brigade + Battalion but often landing with Brigade + Vanguard or Outrider. My next experiments will be with Zephyrim simply on the price of entry... I'll convert the army box Seraphim and take them for a spin. Mortifiers are an investment for further down the road. Frankly, I like what I see from Zephyrim anecdotally and on paper... I have a game on the 22nd I'm trying to build them for. If I can do it, I'll run VH Brigade and BR Vanguard with Celestians, Seraphim, and Zephyrim, giving up the Battalion in favor of three Rhinos for squishy short range units.

tneva82 wrote:

 Xfrawg wrote:

For sisters Rhino has invuln its called Sororitas Rhino, and has Shield of faith. Thus has invuln Only vehicles that don't in sisters are pentengine/Mortifiers.

Guess could have phrased better. They have invulnerable save but they aren't invulnerable aka never going to die. They are still just marginally tougher rhino's aka if enemy wants it dead they usually do get it dead. Ergo having celestine and another +1 inv save aura nearby isn't waste as you have quite decent chance of ending out of rhino anyway so the 4++ comes into play after all.

nvm I was wrong. I didn't have my book on me till now. It says Adepta Sororotias INFANTRY models. So no Rhinos only get ++6. So nvm

Argent Shroud and Valorous Heart have been great. It brings the pain with great rapidity without the need of transports and I do like how that allows me more guns!

I'm totes willing to try the entirely Blooody Rose list but Im always a fan of finding great combos that other people aren't doing.

Plus who doesnt love seraphim and playing the flight of the Valkyries in ones head?

Anyone know if any rumors on when next batch of release is?

 Xfrawg wrote:

Anyone know if any rumors on when next batch of release is?

Iirc, on one of GW's facebook pages they commented that it'd be sometime this month.

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:

 Xfrawg wrote:

Anyone know if any rumors on when next batch of release is?

Iirc, on one of GW's facebook pages they commented that it'd be sometime this month.

Phew I am going to be dropping 1200 on sisters when it comes.

Question for whoever was doing the thing with Mortifiers:

What is making Mortifiers better than Penitent Engines? Neither get ORDER, and the Pengine is tougher [same save, toughness, wounds, but a 5+++ instead of a 6+++] and more accurate [4+ re-rolling is 75% accuracy vs 3+ is 66% accuracy] at the same cost. Do the Heavy Bolters over Heavy Flamers really make that difference?

 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:
Question for whoever was doing the thing with Mortifiers:

What is making Mortifiers better than Penitent Engines? Neither get ORDER, and the Pengine is tougher [same save, toughness, wounds, but a 5+++ instead of a 6+++] and more accurate [4+ re-rolling is 75% accuracy vs 3+ is 66% accuracy] at the same cost. Do the Heavy Bolters over Heavy Flamers really make that difference?

Assault 3 heavy bolters are free, mw's when die, 2 extra mv when dies in melee and sororita keyword opens couple stratagems crucially advance and charge. So they are better suited for long range charges with threat range of 9 + 3d6 vs 7+2d6.

If you use more of countercharge penitents with flails have role

For record today in tournament game 1 it was pretty much wash either way. Literally both units would have done same thing either way. Game 2 the 5+++ might have helped bit more but apart from that it was 100% irrelevant which one I had as speed didn't come to play and even mortifiers with their lesser punch did it. Penitent would have just added some little extra safety. Third game and here the anchorite made big help with my absolutely RIDICULOUS dice rolling. 7 3+ save? No problem. Not single failure. Heavy bolters weren't that good. Heavy flamer would probably have been bit more use here on that. Speed was irrelevant and melee punch was sufficient so it was anchorite or 5+++. 3+ save was pretty good vs all those AP0 Dd3 shots it soaked up...

All in all surprisingly wash either way. Speed didn't matter especially since I was using them as counter chargers to deal with units that come close and punch wise everything they charged just died anyway so penitent hitting harder would have just reduced odds of bad luck bit.

Heavy bolters were used sometimes but at other times heavy flamers would have been better.

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 Xfrawg wrote:

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:

 Xfrawg wrote:

Anyone know if any rumors on when next batch of release is?

Iirc, on one of GW's facebook pages they commented that it'd be sometime this month.

Phew I am going to be dropping 1200 on sisters when it comes.

Yep march for all remaining. I suspect 2 weeks and with 3 Saturdayys for preorder(14, 21, 28) i suspect it's either pa6, sister sister or sister, pa6, sister.

Tomorrow pretty much reveals how it goes.

Are Heroine in the Making or Open the Reliquaries limited in any way in terms of total use or use per detachment? Or can I just buy extra WTs and relics for 1CP each? Thanks, I'm away from my materials and doing some theoryhammer...

Relic no restrictions apart from your CP. Heroine in the making and extra tales for imagifier max 1. Imagifier thing I checked today as I was hoping for 2 imagifiers giving not just stoic but also deny rerolls vs grey knights well frankly stoic was pretty useless so should have just saved CP's and go for 2 deny rerolls...Either he was AP0 or AP1 or AP3 in melee anyway

 MacPhail wrote:
I've been juggling VH and BR like you, and also trying for Brigade + Battalion but often landing with Brigade + Vanguard or Outrider.

I havent assembled anything yet, because I am working on paper lists only at the moment. The idea being that I have to get it right first time, or buy lots of extra models for swap ins. I will end up with a mix of the two, have some swap ins anyway but get it mostly right, or at least something I am mostly happy with without having to buy too many extra models to do so.

That being said I am having trouble with paper lists. I am trying to fit allI want in 2k in Brigade detachment with no extras and having problems with squeeze. I don't know where to begin to do Brigade and Battalion. Note that from above I want my fieldable Brigade and my collection to near near enough one and the same, with only minimal swap arounds. This army is expensive and I must be cautious with my budgeting.

Another battle report w pics.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/185402052000929/permalink/666691853871944/