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@Jancoran: Nice! Is there a lot of learning curve to get used to the TTS interface and controls and loading the models, etc. or is it pretty easy to pick up and use? I downloaded the game and even found some files for some of my armies, but I haven't even tried setting up a game yet.

Also, huge noob question here: If I have a unit of Battle Sisters in a Repressor, can I use their Simulacrum or Cherub abilities while they are embarked? I know you can't target the unit with any Strats, but since those things are wargear, I figured maybe they work differently.

No you cannot.

I think dracpanzer is half correct. You cannot use a Cherub for a unit in a Repressor. Those have to be used at the beginning of the phase, when the unit is not eligible to do anything because its not on the battlefield.

The Simulacrum should work fine because it happens when you are actually utilizing the unit via the 'fire point' rule and thus is an ability of the unit have a authorization to use.

 alextroy wrote:
I think dracpanzer is half correct. You cannot use a Cherub for a unit in a Repressor. Those have to be used at the beginning of the phase, when the unit is not eligible to do anything because its not on the battlefield.

The Simulacrum should work fine because it happens when you are actually utilizing the unit via the 'fire point' rule and thus is an ability of the unit have a authorization to use.

my understanding is that no, you may not use anything but weapons with firepoints. The firepoints give you permission to shoot, but no permission to use other items/wargear options. (for example, no brazier of holy fire can be used since its not a weapon)

Note that the requirement for both the Simulacrum and the Cherubs is only that the unit *has* them.

Additionally, the Cherubs does not count as a model for any rules purposes.

So I would argue that both can be used.

It's less about the rules or the cherubs and more about the rules or the repressor, Coteaz.

 CoteazRox wrote:
Note that the requirement for both the Simulacrum and the Cherubs is only that the unit *has* them.

Additionally, the Cherubs does not count as a model for any rules purposes.

So I would argue that both can be used.

Read your Cherub rules. They all require you to use the Cherub at the start of the phase. At that point, you have no 'access' to the unit that is off the table to allow you to pick the unit or the Cherub.

The Simulacrum is a passive ability. It allows you to use a Miracle Dice with the unit even if you have used one that phase. You don't need to select it, just have it.

Thanks, not all of them.

I only use the Armorium Cherubs with Retributors, which are used after that unit has shot and was not thinking of the start of phase for Incensor Cherubs.

@Melissa - my (wishful) thinking was that since the Cherub rule specifically excepts them from being a model and all rules applying to them, that it would not be restricted by the transport rules in the main rule book.

You'd think that. But GW doesn't think through its rules that thoroughly.

 ZergSmasher wrote:
@Jancoran: Nice! Is there a lot of learning curve to get used to the TTS interface and controls and loading the models, etc. or is it pretty easy to pick up and use? I downloaded the game and even found some files for some of my armies, but I haven't even tried setting up a game yet.

Also, huge noob question here: If I have a unit of Battle Sisters in a Repressor, can I use their Simulacrum or Cherub abilities while they are embarked? I know you can't target the unit with any Strats, but since those things are wargear, I figured maybe they work differently.

Nothing can be used while embarked, at all.

TTS is not super easy to get started so you neeeeed to be patient while you giure it out but...there is now a VERY nice way to handle it for 40K. I will post it here, but only a little tinkering will get you ready to rock.
Quick Army generation in Tabletop Simulator (TTS):
Quick Army generation in Tabletop Simulator (TTS):
1. Make list in battlescribe
2. Save as roster file (rosz)
3. Import the list into battlescribe2tts.net, and get a code.
4. Search the TTS workshop for your army models and save.
5. Search the TTS workshop for battlescribe2tts and save.
6. Create game with your army models.
7. Grab a sample of each model used in the list. Drag to select the models, and right click and Save object on the models.
8. Load battlescribe2tts. Import your saved object model examples. (I generally have to switch to a 6x4 board as the models fall off)
9. Paste code from battlescribe2tts.net into the text box and Submit Code.
10. Click on the description of the model and then the model to link them. Success is a purple colored text box.
11. Generate army. Save the army as a Saved Object by selecting the army and right clicking on a model and choosing Save Object
12. Your army is ready for battle!
Battlescribe2tts.net, not .com

 Jancoran wrote:

 ZergSmasher wrote:
@Jancoran: Nice! Is there a lot of learning curve to get used to the TTS interface and controls and loading the models, etc. or is it pretty easy to pick up and use? I downloaded the game and even found some files for some of my armies, but I haven't even tried setting up a game yet.

Also, huge noob question here: If I have a unit of Battle Sisters in a Repressor, can I use their Simulacrum or Cherub abilities while they are embarked? I know you can't target the unit with any Strats, but since those things are wargear, I figured maybe they work differently.

Nothing can be used while embarked, at all.

Pretty sure guns can.

ERJAK wrote:

 Jancoran wrote:

 ZergSmasher wrote:
@Jancoran: Nice! Is there a lot of learning curve to get used to the TTS interface and controls and loading the models, etc. or is it pretty easy to pick up and use? I downloaded the game and even found some files for some of my armies, but I haven't even tried setting up a game yet.

Also, huge noob question here: If I have a unit of Battle Sisters in a Repressor, can I use their Simulacrum or Cherub abilities while they are embarked? I know you can't target the unit with any Strats, but since those things are wargear, I figured maybe they work differently.

Nothing can be used while embarked, at all.

Pretty sure guns can.

that specific exception exists for open topped etc... So sure. He asked about an ability. Context is King. Pedantism is well...pedantism.


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So ive been able to keep my skills sharp using the Tabletop Simulator.

One of the things I am CONSTANTLY forgetting is my invulnerable saves (well, above the 6+ i mean). I mean you'd THINK that was important to remember but here we are, talking about how i don't remember.

Then again, I have repeatedly forgotten to put my Deep Strikers on the board in like 2/3 of my games, so this is not really new for me.

So i already understand how absurd it is to be forgetting something that basic... But... Do you guys use any kind of tool to remind yourselves of gak like this? I dropped my Seraphim from my list simply because i was forgetting them so often. It's a running joke in my club at this point. It hasn't hurt my chances as often as it should have but it was annoying enough to stop using them.

Now that I am planning to use more of them again, I am sort of thinking "dude... You know you're going to forget to deploy them..."

So what do you guys typically do to recall in game stuff you'd normally forget.

Oh and answers like "I never forget anything", while they might make you feel good inside somehow, probably aren't real germane. =)

and...go.

I have a sheet of paper with bold, black, 60-point font that reads:

KRAK GRENADES
SMOKE LAUNCHERS
RHINO REPAIR
PISTOLS IN MELEE

It sits in the box where my casualties go during each game.

Have you heard of the Seraphim phase? It's part of my plan to remember them one of these days...

I run a cheat sheet with applicable unit stats in a condensed format. Which I think a lot of people do, the other side is a roster that has units bunched for my typical deployments, applicable relics and auras colored to show which units I intend to have deployed to benefit from each aura.

I then have a turn by turn script with specific units, strategems and the like grouped together. My inferno pistol seraphim are always scripted for one squad using the descent strategem in turn two and turn three.

If I read the script, I usually dont forget.

Sisters are easy though, my GSC roster and script is far more complex.

Thank you for the suggestions thus far. Can you explain what you mean by bunched together on the back of the sheet? And the coloring you mention? perhaps a pic to go along with it?

the "Seraphim" phase" was funny.

60 point font might might get my attention.

Mighty fine new model

 Jancoran wrote:
Thank you for the suggestions thus far. Can you explain what you mean by bunched together on the back of the sheet? And the coloring you mention? perhaps a pic to go along with it?

the "Seraphim" phase" was funny.

60 point font might might get my attention.

Don't have a Sisters army (yet), but for my Ultramarines, I have note cards that I place in front of me with things like "Devastator Doctrine" and what it does, or army wide abilities, or etc. etc. It really helps me.

 Jancoran wrote:
Thank you for the suggestions thus far. Can you explain what you mean by bunched together on the back of the sheet? And the coloring you mention? perhaps a pic to go along with it?

the "Seraphim" phase" was funny.

60 point font might might get my attention.

I build it in excel.

If I want a specific Canoness, an
Imagifer say a 15 girl BSS squad and three Exorcists to group together for both the auras and Valorous Heart Convictions I will have those units next to each other on the list.

The Unit fields would be colored dark grey and the relics auras and the like the characters bring would be included along with the bundle.

A Bloody Rose Repentia group would be blocked together with characters, relics, auras convictions etc. but the fields would be colored red.

Reserve units would be grouped the same way but they would be listed in the turn by turn script. Sorry, nowhere near a computer or my armies at the moment.

Can't lie, I'd love to see an example of your roster list now too.

 Jancoran wrote:


So what do you guys typically do to recall in game stuff you'd normally forget.

Oh and answers like "I never forget anything", while they might make you feel good inside somehow, probably aren't real germane. =)

and...go.

I don't have a good solution for the invuls issue, but for deep strikers, I find that actually having them on the board (usually along an edge that isn't seeing active play) tends to help me remember.

In my experience, I'm usually better off forgetting things than spending time checking cheat sheets. For me, my Sisters lists tend to take games turn 4 and getting the game to that turn tends to be much more impactful than forgetting a miracle dice or not remembering litanies. With some armies like Guard, Nids, and even certain Eldar lists taking a seeming eternity to play out their turns, I just don't have time to consult cheat sheets.

If I'm doing something like going to a large tournament where the quality of players improves enough that I probably will win or lose games based on forgetting a single miracle dice, I tend to just play my tournament list exclusively(as in stop playing other games like AoS entirely) for 2-3 months before the event. With that much prep, plus the amount of time I spend obsessively reading and rereading rules while I'm tweaking the list before the 'lock-in' period, I rarely forget things.

ERJAK wrote:
In my experience, I'm usually better off forgetting things than spending time checking cheat sheets. For me, my Sisters lists tend to take games turn 4 and getting the game to that turn tends to be much more impactful than forgetting a miracle dice or not remembering litanies. With some armies like Guard, Nids, and even certain Eldar lists taking a seeming eternity to play out their turns, I just don't have time to consult cheat sheets.

If I'm doing something like going to a large tournament where the quality of players improves enough that I probably will win or lose games based on forgetting a single miracle dice, I tend to just play my tournament list exclusively(as in stop playing other games like AoS entirely) for 2-3 months before the event. With that much prep, plus the amount of time I spend obsessively reading and rereading rules while I'm tweaking the list before the 'lock-in' period, I rarely forget things.

Totally understandable. But I think it's important to note that the goal of cheat sheets is to reinforce the same actions over and over so that you eventually no longer need the cheat sheet. You're basically achieving the same goal in your tournament prep approach.

Still slowly painting my sisters but trying to put together a full list so I can start playing in TTS.

I want to take the battle sanctum for one of my detachments, and then probably BR and VH for the two orders. Setting up VH in cover behind the massive sanctum sounds pretty sweet and BR repentia are hard to turn down. Detachments would be probably battalion/battalion or battalion/brigade, with brigade obviously giving the nice CP boost but also upping the total BSS required to 9, which is a lot. So maybe sacrificing the CP to have those points available to spend elsewhere would be better?

Maybe go for brigade and vanquard? More CP than twin battalion and BR doesn't help BSS that much anyway. Elites is where main bulk of BR power comes from with honourable mention to FA.

My blue turquoise/tan paint scheme is a bit more effort than I anticipated, enough so that I'm not sure about painting an entire Sisters army with it, but I could live with doing just the stuff from the box set. Would a Bloody Rose Vanguard detachment do well tacked onto a Guard (my main) army?

Arcanis161 wrote:
My blue turquoise/tan paint scheme is a bit more effort than I anticipated, enough so that I'm not sure about painting an entire Sisters army with it, but I could live with doing just the stuff from the box set. Would a Bloody Rose Vanguard detachment do well tacked onto a Guard (my main) army?

A BR Vanguard is probably Sister's greatest offering to a AM/Guard army.

And maybe there's a way to make your colour scheme easier! Idk I make up my painting as I go along.

ERJAK wrote:
In my experience, I'm usually better off forgetting things than spending time checking cheat sheets.

I use them mostly to remind myself while learning a new list. After the first couple games I usually have it locked down, beyond that it matures to if you forgot it, your fault.

I put the idea up just to point out how I try to keep from forgetting all the little bits of an army list I haven't played much.

Question on Exorcists: Yay or nay on Hunter-Killer missiles?

 oomiestompa wrote:
Question on Exorcists: Yay or nay on Hunter-Killer missiles?

If you have the points to spare, they are fine.