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Who has a strong opinion on Bloody Rose Celestian Superior loadout? In particular I'm thinking combi-melta vs. plasma pistol, but I'm open to others. She'll be in short range and then melee, so those both have arguments to be made. Also chainsword vs. maul?
The champion of some of the most iconic Warhammer graphic novels ever written, Ephrael Stern is getting a model of her own – just in time to test her powers against the greatest threat the Imperium has ever faced. She’s not alone – you’ll be able to field her alongside the Sisters of Battle, or with any Imperium force, and she’ll be accompanied by her Harlequin companion, Kyganil.
I AM A MARINE PLAYER
"Unimaginably ancient xenos artefact somewhere on the planet, hive fleet poised above our heads, hidden 'stealer broods making an early start....and now a bloody Chaos cult crawling out of the woodwork just in case we were bored. Welcome to my world, Ciaphas."
Inquisitor Amberley Vail, Ordo Xenos
"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001
davidgr33n wrote: So Ephrael Stern and her Harlequin sidekick Kyganil, coming to an Adepta Sororitas army near you...
I wonder if she will still have Our Matyred Lady keyword?
I AM A MARINE PLAYER
"Unimaginably ancient xenos artefact somewhere on the planet, hive fleet poised above our heads, hidden 'stealer broods making an early start....and now a bloody Chaos cult crawling out of the woodwork just in case we were bored. Welcome to my world, Ciaphas."
Inquisitor Amberley Vail, Ordo Xenos
"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001
Matt.Kingsley wrote: I know it's probably unlikely, but I hope you can take Stern just by herself. I don't need no filthy xenos in my army
I was just telling my wife that I love the character of Ephrael stern myself but hate the idea of a psyker (even a blessed one) in my sisters army.
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iGuy91 wrote: You love the T-Rex. Its both a hero and a Villain in the first two movies. It is the "king" of dinosaurs. Its the best. You love your T-rex.
Then comes along the frakking Spinosaurus who kills the T-rex, and the movie says "LOVE THIS NOW! HE IS BETTER" But...in your heart, you love the T-rex, who shouldn't have lost to no stupid Spinosaurus. So you hate the movie. And refuse to love the Spinosaurus because it is a hamfisted attempt at taking what you loved, making it TREX +++ and trying to sell you it.
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the_scotsman wrote: Dae think the company behind such names as deathwatch death guard deathskullz death marks death korps deathleaper death jester might be bad at naming?
davidgr33n wrote: So Ephrael Stern and her Harlequin sidekick Kyganil, coming to an Adepta Sororitas army near you...
I wonder if she will still have Our Matyred Lady keyword?
Based on community article she can be taken in imperium army. Sounds like you dont even need sister army to field her. Maybe some sort of mercenery ability to be fielded in any imperium detachment?
davidgr33n wrote: So Ephrael Stern and her Harlequin sidekick Kyganil, coming to an Adepta Sororitas army near you...
I wonder if she will still have Our Matyred Lady keyword?
Based on community article she can be taken in imperium army. Sounds like you dont even need sister army to field her. Maybe some sort of mercenery ability to be fielded in any imperium detachment?
Or Inqusitor/Fallen get in clause.
IIRC she is on the run?
ERJAK wrote: ...will she be able to use miracle dice? Or 'adepta sororitas'/OoML buffs and stratagems? Sacred rites?
Depends on the Keywords I would think
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I AM A MARINE PLAYER
"Unimaginably ancient xenos artefact somewhere on the planet, hive fleet poised above our heads, hidden 'stealer broods making an early start....and now a bloody Chaos cult crawling out of the woodwork just in case we were bored. Welcome to my world, Ciaphas."
Inquisitor Amberley Vail, Ordo Xenos
"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001
davidgr33n wrote: So Ephrael Stern and her Harlequin sidekick Kyganil, coming to an Adepta Sororitas army near you...
I wonder if she will still have Our Matyred Lady keyword?
Based on community article she can be taken in imperium army. Sounds like you dont even need sister army to field her. Maybe some sort of mercenery ability to be fielded in any imperium detachment?
Or Inqusitor/Fallen get in clause.
IIRC she is on the run?
That's largely what I was thinking of with mercenary rules. Ability to take her in imperium detachment and not break order/regiment/whatever. Wouldn't get her order bonus herself outside OoML
davidgr33n wrote: So Ephrael Stern and her Harlequin sidekick Kyganil, coming to an Adepta Sororitas army near you...
I wonder if she will still have Our Matyred Lady keyword?
Based on community article she can be taken in imperium army. Sounds like you dont even need sister army to field her. Maybe some sort of mercenery ability to be fielded in any imperium detachment?
Her having the Imperium keyword and a free Auxiliary Support detachment is all you need to be able to take her in any Imperium army.
I think she will have the standard SoB Keywords etc as they do mention she can be taken in a SoB army or any other Imperial Army.
.....but not sure about her companion and if they are a single unit or what.
now that St C and her Geminae are sperate is there any other character units?
I AM A MARINE PLAYER
"Unimaginably ancient xenos artefact somewhere on the planet, hive fleet poised above our heads, hidden 'stealer broods making an early start....and now a bloody Chaos cult crawling out of the woodwork just in case we were bored. Welcome to my world, Ciaphas."
Inquisitor Amberley Vail, Ordo Xenos
"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001
CREEEEEEEEED wrote: Gonna be honest, not sure i like the model. the cape flying up just looks bad imo.
Yeah, same. At least (in one area) I would assume the head is separate, so I'll probably try and switch it out for a normal sisters one, if I ever get her that is. Cape is another story.
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davidgr33n wrote: So Ephrael Stern and her Harlequin sidekick Kyganil, coming to an Adepta Sororitas army near you...
I wonder if she will still have Our Matyred Lady keyword?
Based on community article she can be taken in imperium army. Sounds like you dont even need sister army to field her. Maybe some sort of mercenery ability to be fielded in any imperium detachment?
Her having the Imperium keyword and a free Auxiliary Support detachment is all you need to be able to take her in any Imperium army.
That sounded bit more than that though. Why make such a point?
Besides eldars dont have imperium keyword...
Also fluffwise isn't she more of lone crusader type of character rather than permanent member of OoML?
davidgr33n wrote: So Ephrael Stern and her Harlequin sidekick Kyganil, coming to an Adepta Sororitas army near you...
I wonder if she will still have Our Matyred Lady keyword?
Based on community article she can be taken in imperium army. Sounds like you dont even need sister army to field her. Maybe some sort of mercenery ability to be fielded in any imperium detachment?
Or Inqusitor/Fallen get in clause.
IIRC she is on the run?
ERJAK wrote: ...will she be able to use miracle dice? Or 'adepta sororitas'/OoML buffs and stratagems? Sacred rites?
Depends on the Keywords I would think
This was more of a 'will GW allow this' than a 'how do mechanics work?' type thing.
davidgr33n wrote: So Ephrael Stern and her Harlequin sidekick Kyganil, coming to an Adepta Sororitas army near you...
I wonder if she will still have Our Matyred Lady keyword?
Based on community article she can be taken in imperium army. Sounds like you dont even need sister army to field her. Maybe some sort of mercenery ability to be fielded in any imperium detachment?
Her having the Imperium keyword and a free Auxiliary Support detachment is all you need to be able to take her in any Imperium army.
That sounded bit more than that though. Why make such a point?
Besides eldars dont have imperium keyword...
Also fluffwise isn't she more of lone crusader type of character rather than permanent member of OoML?
She's still a battle sister though, there's no good reason why she shouldn't have specifically sisters related rules.
Hopefully WAY better rules than the 1d4chan homebrew ones that have a 80-90pt model kicking around at 200pts.
2-3 casts with a small bonus and her own table of powers is probably assured(which would be awesome for sisters). Some sort of melee power boost is likely, I would expect either flat reroll wounds like a zephyrim or some other buff that puts her around S5 equivalent. I'm also hoping for a sisters specific aura. Reroll wounds rolls of 1 would be awesome. I would also be very surprised if she doesn't resurrect.
For points I'm figuring like 120-150. Cheap enough to be solid but expensive enough to not be worth it for armies her buff aura doesn't benefit.
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MacPhail wrote: Who has a strong opinion on Bloody Rose Celestian Superior loadout?
Oh hi there. I'm one of the people who pushed hardest for how awesome they are from the start!
What their actual loadout is is entirely up to your needs as an army. My army (which is pure BR, by the by), I decided to spread my meltaguns out among my BSS, and focus my BR Celestians as melee. So my BR Celestians have storm bolters, a combiflamer, and a power maul at their heaviest loadout-- that said, I'm pondering swapping to power axes when you account for the +1 strength aura still letting them have five strength for killing marines. But Power Mauls allow them to function more independently.
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MacPhail wrote: Who has a strong opinion on Bloody Rose Celestian Superior loadout?
Oh hi there. I'm one of the people who pushed hardest for how awesome they are from the start!
What their actual loadout is is entirely up to your needs as an army. My army (which is pure BR, by the by), I decided to spread my meltaguns out among my BSS, and focus my BR Celestians as melee. So my BR Celestians have storm bolters, a combiflamer, and a power maul at their heaviest loadout-- that said, I'm pondering swapping to power axes when you account for the +1 strength aura still letting them have five strength for killing marines. But Power Mauls allow them to function more independently.
Why would take a combiflamer over a handflamer? In BR Flamers and Handflamers do the exact same amount of damage to marine equivalent targets. The extra 2 inches of range is mostly canceled out by being able to use the pistol in melee. The boltgun part of the combiflamer is only a benefit over the hand flamer when in range of the flamer, so you're basically paying 7 points for 2 BS 4 boltgun shots once per game.
While price is steep it's bit weird to claim d6 S3 -1 does exact same damage as d6 S4 -1 don't you think? S boost doesn't matter vs T1(non existant I think), T5 and T9+. Any other target S4 wounds better than S3.
Plus extra range matters very much for overwatch. Hand flamer is easy to charge safely without being hit by it. 8" means chance of failed charge increases so either they risk failing charge or they take the overwatch.
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tneva82 wrote: While price is steep it's bit weird to claim d6 S3 -1 does exact same damage as d6 S4 -1 don't you think? S boost doesn't matter vs T1(non existant I think), T5 and T9+. Any other target S4 wounds better than S3.
where are you getting the -1 on the regular flamer
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tneva82 wrote: While price is steep it's bit weird to claim d6 S3 -1 does exact same damage as d6 S4 -1 don't you think? S boost doesn't matter vs T1(non existant I think), T5 and T9+. Any other target S4 wounds better than S3.
where are you getting the -1 on the regular flamer
Yeah, I was curious about that too.
Because if you use the flamer every other SoB player gets, it's 3.5*.5*.333 against marines for a flamer and 3.5*.333*.5 for a handflamer.
Now I'm no Number Surgeon but those seem like the same number to me.
And does it really matter all that much for overwatch? Neither option is enough to get your opponent to increase their charge range for the sake of avoiding overwatch. Both do...essentially irrelevant damage. They're going to get as close as they can, so you'll still be getting overwatch with the hf the majority of the time.
If the regular flamer had range enough to hit things out of deepstrike, sure the overwatch would be more useful, but it doesn't so its very nearly irrelevant.
Flamers in general are pretty bad, but at least the hand flamer is appropriately costed. Heavy Flamers are about 20-25% overcosted and flamers and combiflamers are almost twice as expensive as they should be.
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ERJAK wrote: Why would take a combiflamer over a handflamer?
Ability to fire the attached boltgun, mostly. Celestians with the way I'm running my army always reroll all to-hit rolls, so two more shots before the charge usually means two more hits even with the... IIRC -1 penalty, from firing both weapons at once?
BR celestians are decent close combat combatants, but they still want to cause as many potential wounds BEFORE they charge as they can.
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davidgr33n wrote: Gearing up for when we get back to gaming...
This question is for those who play competitive ITC.
Now that ITC Championship rules have been updated, in many ways it is now easier to find ways to score the “kill” secondaries on most opponents.
Is it as crucial as before to try to deny those secondaries in our builds? “Butchers Bill” is pretty easy to get on Sisters, with infantry-heavy lists also giving up “Reaper” and vehicle heavy lists giving up “BGH” or “Marked for Death”.
Just wondering if I should still try to deny where I can and how are you building your lists?
Well I think denial is always a good strategy to employ in your list. I use 15 sister squads, for example, Exorcists are definitely not easy to kill (Valorous Hear in my case) and Celestine is no longer a liability (and one could argue she never was, truly, given how much she can do for you.) My Retributors are 8, my dominion are 8, so i pack in ablative wounds wherever I can to force the issue.
I see zero downside to limiting enemy kills every round.
davidgr33n wrote: I have a Bloody Rose Canoness with a chainsword. Because I’m taking a Chainsword I can take a null rod for 12 pts.
Now pregame I take a relic which upgrades my Chainsword to the relic Beneficience sword.
Am i no longer able to take the Null Rod?
The pertinent wording is “If this model is equipped with 1 Chainsword, it can have a Brazier of Holy Fire or a Null Rod”.
You can still take the Null Rod.
Agreed.
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Canoness [3 PL, 49pts]: Bolt pistol, Power sword, Relic: Iron Surplice of St Istaela, Warlord, Warlord Trait: 4. Beacon of Faith
+ Elites +
Imagifier [2 PL, 45pts]: Tale of the Stoic
+ Heavy Support +
Exorcist [8 PL, 170pts]: Exorcist Missile Launcher, Heavy bolter
Exorcist [8 PL, 170pts]: Exorcist Missile Launcher, Heavy bolter
Exorcist [8 PL, 170pts]: Exorcist Missile Launcher, Heavy bolter
++ Total: [110 PL, 8CP, 2,000pts] ++
I dont know much about this army but a few observations, and tons of questions:
Units Mortifiers are absolutely bananas.nd used them as a counter charge unit. Assault Heavy Bolters are something else. Question though, the wording on the flails confused me a bit. With a pair of two, are they making (4x3 +1) or (4x3 +3) attacks? All the same my favorite unit from the game, they took pit a maxed sized Jackal Biker Unit and a Patriarch.
Do people run these in competitive or are they too fragile?
Judith allowing rerolls of 1 to wound was really nice, do people use her much? It seems like VH is the go to Order so I would guess not.
What's the standard load out for Retributors, and Dominions?
I sadly never used my repentia, just sat in their rhino with the missionary the entire game. How do they perform compared to things like mortifiers?
Army Rules The Martyrdom Sacred Rite was amazing... does it restrict a unit to doing a specific type of action? Like if a sister dies while within 1" of an enemy model, can she fire a bolter for her Martyrdom action?
Does an exorcist get to shoot it's guns profile (3d3), or just literally 1 shot? (Regarding Martyrdom).
I never rolled higher than a 4 for my miracle dice, and my inquisitor friend never stole any CP so that was a bit of a let down.
Anything here obviously bad? How would you improve the list?
Im really glad to hear some reports from the front about mortifiers. Havent tried them yet but i am definitely getting me some. I think the concensus has been that those points are fragile and that they will be a feast or famine unit, meaning they will absolutely dominate a game or be entirely dead turn one. An opponent who knows what they can do will focus the mand so the questions are many: do you typically play with good terrain? what types of players do you see normally? Etc... But I think they are UNDERUSED. Originally people were talking about maxing them out, but then they made them four man units in the "corrections" and so when you go from 6 to 4, the math changes pretty drastically. At 6, they are really enticing. At 4.... It becomes a choice right? But they arent (werent) being seen competitively BEFORE the lockdowns.
Valorous Heat does a lot for your army. I have, but have not used, Judith so there again, excited to hear reports from the front about her. I feel like she is the "Jumppack canones" that everyone always wanted. She comes heavily armed, that's for sure. she doesn't work on the stompybots, but she can certainly help the Seraphim for example or the Sisters Repentia who typically walk up the board in Rhinos (although I think most would agree they are better as Bloody Rose, the fact that Repentia hit on 4's can make Junith improve them dramatically outside of Bloody Rose). I think Junith is very good, but I think because she isnt in the meta-preferred Convictions, she might see sparse use in competitive play, but that is no statement about her.
Retributors are ususally multi-melta now, and the Dominion are still usually storm bolters. I think that the Dominion carry out a really important function in a Sisters list and I will stuff 5-8 of them in there any chance I get because like the Kroot in my T'au Empire army i consider their role essential in repelling the Possessed bombs and other meta lists of the world. You just need them.
Retributors serve a role that Moritifers do not so it depeneds on the list. I take one unit because of the cool stratagem. I use Argent Shroud units which is a true rarity in the meta but it reaps dividends.
Martyrdom wont let you do what you cant normally do per se. So if you are within 1" you could fire a pistol if you wanted.
The exorcist fires 3d3 shots. It is one weapon.
dont underestimate the value of a Dialogus. Miracle Dice can be massaged!
As for improvements, the list is illegal. See the BIG FAQ and the rule of 3 there. I suppose if you aren't using points or matched play rules you could do this. But in Matched play (ITC or not) there is a limit of 3 uses of any one datasheet. That would be easy to fix. but it is something to note.
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MacPhail wrote: Who has a strong opinion on Bloody Rose Celestian Superior loadout? In particular I'm thinking combi-melta vs. plasma pistol, but I'm open to others. She'll be in short range and then melee, so those both have arguments to be made. Also chainsword vs. maul?
If you have points, the maul.
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Hold out bait to entice the enemy. Feign disorder, and then crush him.
-Sun Tzu, the Art of War
http://www.40kunorthodoxy.blogspot.com
Canoness [3 PL, 49pts]: Bolt pistol, Power sword, Relic: Iron Surplice of St Istaela, Warlord, Warlord Trait: 4. Beacon of Faith
+ Elites +
Imagifier [2 PL, 45pts]: Tale of the Stoic
+ Heavy Support +
Exorcist [8 PL, 170pts]: Exorcist Missile Launcher, Heavy bolter
Exorcist [8 PL, 170pts]: Exorcist Missile Launcher, Heavy bolter
Exorcist [8 PL, 170pts]: Exorcist Missile Launcher, Heavy bolter
++ Total: [110 PL, 8CP, 2,000pts] ++
I dont know much about this army but a few observations, and tons of questions:
Units Mortifiers are absolutely bananas.nd used them as a counter charge unit. Assault Heavy Bolters are something else. Question though, the wording on the flails confused me a bit. With a pair of two, are they making (4x3 +1) or (4x3 +3) attacks? All the same my favorite unit from the game, they took pit a maxed sized Jackal Biker Unit and a Patriarch.
Do people run these in competitive or are they too fragile?
Judith allowing rerolls of 1 to wound was really nice, do people use her much? It seems like VH is the go to Order so I would guess not.
What's the standard load out for Retributors, and Dominions?
I sadly never used my repentia, just sat in their rhino with the missionary the entire game. How do they perform compared to things like mortifiers?
Army Rules The Martyrdom Sacred Rite was amazing... does it restrict a unit to doing a specific type of action? Like if a sister dies while within 1" of an enemy model, can she fire a bolter for her Martyrdom action?
Does an exorcist get to shoot it's guns profile (3d3), or just literally 1 shot? (Regarding Martyrdom).
I never rolled higher than a 4 for my miracle dice, and my inquisitor friend never stole any CP so that was a bit of a let down.
Anything here obviously bad? How would you improve the list?
Im really glad to hear some reports from the front about mortifiers. Havent tried them yet but i am definitely getting me some. I think the concensus has been that those points are fragile and that they will be a feast or famine unit, meaning they will absolutely dominate a game or be entirely dead turn one. An opponent who knows what they can do will focus the mand so the questions are many: do you typically play with good terrain? what types of players do you see normally? Etc... But I think they are UNDERUSED. Originally people were talking about maxing them out, but then they made them four man units in the "corrections" and so when you go from 6 to 4, the math changes pretty drastically. At 6, they are really enticing. At 4.... It becomes a choice right? But they arent (werent) being seen competitively BEFORE the lockdowns.
Valorous Heat does a lot for your army. I have, but have not used, Judith so there again, excited to hear reports from the front about her. I feel like she is the "Jumppack canones" that everyone always wanted. She comes heavily armed, that's for sure. she doesn't work on the stompybots, but she can certainly help the Seraphim for example or the Sisters Repentia who typically walk up the board in Rhinos (although I think most would agree they are better as Bloody Rose, the fact that Repentia hit on 4's can make Junith improve them dramatically outside of Bloody Rose). I think Junith is very good, but I think because she isnt in the meta-preferred Convictions, she might see sparse use in competitive play, but that is no statement about her.
Retributors are ususally multi-melta now, and the Dominion are still usually storm bolters. I think that the Dominion carry out a really important function in a Sisters list and I will stuff 5-8 of them in there any chance I get because like the Kroot in my T'au Empire army i consider their role essential in repelling the Possessed bombs and other meta lists of the world. You just need them.
Retributors serve a role that Moritifers do not so it depeneds on the list. I take one unit because of the cool stratagem. I use Argent Shroud units which is a true rarity in the meta but it reaps dividends.
Martyrdom wont let you do what you cant normally do per se. So if you are within 1" you could fire a pistol if you wanted.
The exorcist fires 3d3 shots. It is one weapon.
dont underestimate the value of a Dialogus. Miracle Dice can be massaged!
As for improvements, the list is illegal. See the BIG FAQ and the rule of 3 there. I suppose if you aren't using points or matched play rules you could do this. But in Matched play (ITC or not) there is a limit of 3 uses of any one datasheet. That would be easy to fix. but it is something to note.
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MacPhail wrote: Who has a strong opinion on Bloody Rose Celestian Superior loadout? In particular I'm thinking combi-melta vs. plasma pistol, but I'm open to others. She'll be in short range and then melee, so those both have arguments to be made. Also chainsword vs. maul?
If you have points, the maul.
Thanks for all the responses! Good to hear about mortifiers being potentially interesting.
Lastly what about the list was wrong? I don't believe I took x4 of anything.
Lastly what about the list was wrong? I don't believe I took x4 of anything.
Oh after looking at it again i see that its just the way it displays made it look that way on casual glance. Ignore that. Battlescribe is such a garbage program when it comes to its output. I wish theyd just do a version like they did for Sigmar.
Thanks for all the responses! Good to hear about mortifiers being potentially interesting.
Yes, they definitely are and i definitely plan to give them a work out. I think they are such a potent unit for counter charge but what makes that even more true is how many armies in the current meta are ultra aggressive. It kind of turns the meta against itself when you have Mortifiers/Repentia. I think the Repentia could be the number one argument against mortifiers, honestly, since they are so potent as well. Its simply cheaper to bring them to bear. However, its not a ton cheaper when you add the rhino in. So You can make the argument that they are kind of the same unit in a lot of ways. The Mortifiers play much stronger against a melee heavy enemy, and those arent rare these days. Mortifiers are more ikely to draw more heavy fire and the Repentias will draw small arms fire so that becomes something to consider right? Small arms fire just wont do it against the Mortifiers and so it does draw off some fire from Exorcists. So the Mortifiers could be good in a list that features 3 exorcists simply because it forces the choice and its not an enviable choice. On the other hand, for one round...the first...its not a choice. For one round they can still focus the exorcist if they go first and then the Mortifiers and then it could be bad. So it puts a premium on going first. Repentia can be taken in numbers and hidden so this problem isnt as pronounced for them.
So on balance the Repentia and Mortifiers very much carry out similar roles, but Repentia tend to win the comparison game in general, while mortifiers win it hands down in more specific cases like alpha melee heavy enemies. Blood Angels would be in serious trouble if you took a bevy of these bad boys, while Imperial Fists would likely eat them all. Orks would hate the Mortifiers (most builds) while the T'au Empire would eat them (but to be fair, optimized Tau will make a mockery of a lot of things and are sort of a spoiler army, but you really do have to have a plan for them and the Mortifiers cannot be the only things charging against T'au).
Tell us about the battle itself. I didnt see any details.
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So it was vs a GSC list, opponent was also trying them out for the first time.
He brought three giant blobs of Atalan Jackals and 3 maxed ridge runner squads, plus then a host of special characters. Two patriarchs. Basically min acolyte squads.
He got turn 1 and decided to take it aggressively. I don't think that was the best idea, but hey.
Deployment was table length. Very advantageous for him. He was evenly spread out. I had from left to right: Retributors + repentia on the left flank, sister screens with exorcist castle behind them in the center, junith, dominions and mortifiers along with the inquistor over on the right.
Turn 1:
Opponent Turn 1: He popped one exorcist, that then got spirit of the martyr to fire back. He zoomed up with everything. Also then pulled off a turn 1 charge against two battle sister squads with 2/3 of his ridgrunners, in an attempt to tag exorcists... didn't work. Don't know why he set them up in front as opposed to the jackals.
My turn 1: I fall back with 1 squad and take out the 3rd ridgerunner squad. I bring the one I fell back from down to 2w and 1 model. Mortifiers roll up and advance + shoot + charge to obliterate one of the jackal squads.
Junith charges the remaining ridgrunner on 2w and kills it. Through some crafty consolidate moves I'm able to place her back into safety. I burned most of my cp.
Turn 2
Opponent Turn 2: His turn two was a big whiff. His kelermorph popped up and took a battle sister squad down to 1 model, and his patriarch charged into the mortifiers, seeking vengeance for the bikers... ending up with 1 mortifier surving that combat, and his patriarch at 2w remaining.
Storm bolters prove amazing as the dominions completely obliterate an ambushing acolyte squad in overwatch. Some lucky rolling.
And then .. that's about it. I ended up losing no units. He earned a few recon points I think.
My turn 2: Killed his patriarch and finished off the last ridgrunners squad. He conceded being left with two biker squads one or two acolyte squads still in reserve and a smattering of characters I don't know much about.
I still had almost everything, sans some battle sisters and an exorcist.
Again wr were both trying out new armies, so looking back i think he could have played it way more evasive and less smash and grab.
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Incidentally I am going to play against space wolves soon. Different list, dropping mortifiers in favor of two repentia squads. 2 OML batallions and 1 bloody rose vanguard. 2 dominion squads, 1 retributor multimelta squad.
After the first game I'm in love with storm bolters. I think what I like most about sisters is in terms of points it feels like nothing is wasted. 49pts for a very sturdy 5-gal troop squad with two storm bolters? Amazing. T3, WS4? Who cares, they are camping objectives in cover with their 3+/6++ (which can be in perfect circumstances 2+/4++).
I'm coming from tyranids, csm/knights/daemons and necrons. It feels like sisters is an army of specialists, where you don't have to pay undesired stat-tax on useless units.
Yeah, I always customize my output from battlescribe cause it's crap.
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