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Bossdoc wrote: I just noticed that it seems to be posdible to use "heroine in the making" on Ephrael stern, since it's only restricted for celestine, junith and triumph, not for all named characters... since she lacks the order keyword, she can't buff other units, but I think the cc trait could work quite well...
I think they faq'd that away.
Exactly this.
Page 103 – A Heroine in the Making
Change the second sentence to read: ‘Select one Adepta Sororitas Character (other than your Warlord, Celestine, Junith Eruita, Ephrael Stern or the Triumph of Saint Katherine) and generate one Warlord Trait for it; it is regarded as your Warlord for the purposes of that Warlord Trait.’
I have used them in a 1500 Valorous Heart Battalion. A foot army with a 5++, a Hospitalier and a Imagifier with Tale of the Stoic. I had a 7 girl Retributor squad with H.Bolters and 2 Cherubs and a 7 girl Retributor with Multimeltas and two Cherubs.
Mass Necron fire from a 20 warrior squad removed all but one Multimelta girl.
You shouldn't be worried about the one bullet with your name on it, Boldric. You should be worried about the ones labelled "to whom it may concern"-from Blackadder goes Forth!
kiron wrote: So anyone else try infantry list with lots of retributors to comment? Do you find them dying too fast?
I do when my friends don't want me to play BR lol.
VH with 3x3 rets and 3x3 Doms. Rets I just play with 1 of each weapon type, Doms are always SB's. Celestine, Triumph, Imagifier, and Canoness like normal. 2 units of Seraphim and 2 units of Celestines with Melta loadout, 3 units of BBS, and some Rhinos.
kiron wrote: So anyone else try infantry list with lots of retributors to comment? Do you find them dying too fast?
Top placing list in a tournament recently(via Goonhammer) ran 3 units of MM rets in rhinos. It also ran a couple units of repentia and mortifiers (which, moritifiers are quickly becoming a standout unit for SoB, which is something I thought was bascially a foregone conclusion given how good they were BEFORE their shooting got doubled.
Turns out 36 melta shots kill the ever loving feth out of a lot of stuff and at that point, it really doesn't matter if they die after.
kiron wrote: So anyone else try infantry list with lots of retributors to comment? Do you find them dying too fast?
Top placing list in a tournament recently(via Goonhammer) ran 3 units of MM rets in rhinos. It also ran a couple units of repentia and mortifiers (which, moritifiers are quickly becoming a standout unit for SoB, which is something I thought was bascially a foregone conclusion given how good they were BEFORE their shooting got doubled.
Turns out 36 melta shots kill the ever loving feth out of a lot of stuff and at that point, it really doesn't matter if they die after.
Mortifiers has been standard for a long time outside of ITC and in 9th. 60pts for them is a steal.
I've always been running 3 HB rets and I think i'm going to have a MM one now too, double the shots on 2 of them is really good when each gun is now double the shots lol.
EDIT: Have a link to the list? Just curious.
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konst80hummel wrote: I have used them in a 1500 Valorous Heart Battalion. A foot army with a 5++, a Hospitalier and a Imagifier with Tale of the Stoic. I had a 7 girl Retributor squad with H.Bolters and 2 Cherubs and a 7 girl Retributor with Multimeltas and two Cherubs.
Mass Necron fire from a 20 warrior squad removed all but one Multimelta girl.
So if you're saying that 20 necron warriors killed 6 VH retributors in one round of shooting, I could buy that. It would be a clear case of positioning error since the warriors would have to be benefiting from MWBD AND in rapid fire range with you NOT in cover (which rets always should be if there's any chance they might be targeted by enemy anti-infantry shooting), but under those circumstances 6 dead girls IS the statistical loss. Even if that can only really happen as a result of a mistake.
If you're saying he killed 13 VH sisters with 20 necron warriors, I just don't believe you.
kiron wrote: So anyone else try infantry list with lots of retributors to comment? Do you find them dying too fast?
Top placing list in a tournament recently(via Goonhammer) ran 3 units of MM rets in rhinos. It also ran a couple units of repentia and mortifiers (which, moritifiers are quickly becoming a standout unit for SoB, which is something I thought was bascially a foregone conclusion given how good they were BEFORE their shooting got doubled.
Turns out 36 melta shots kill the ever loving feth out of a lot of stuff and at that point, it really doesn't matter if they die after.
Mortifiers has been standard for a long time outside of ITC and in 9th. 60pts for them is a steal.
I've always been running 3 HB rets and I think i'm going to have a MM one now too, double the shots on 2 of them is really good when each gun is now double the shots lol.
EDIT: Have a link to the list? Just curious.
Also interested in that list!
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konst80hummel wrote: I have used them in a 1500 Valorous Heart Battalion. A foot army with a 5++, a Hospitalier and a Imagifier with Tale of the Stoic. I had a 7 girl Retributor squad with H.Bolters and 2 Cherubs and a 7 girl Retributor with Multimeltas and two Cherubs.
Mass Necron fire from a 20 warrior squad removed all but one Multimelta girl.
So if you're saying that 20 necron warriors killed 6 VH retributors in one round of shooting, I could buy that. It would be a clear case of positioning error since the warriors would have to be benefiting from MWBD AND in rapid fire range with you NOT in cover (which rets always should be if there's any chance they might be targeted by enemy anti-infantry shooting), but under those circumstances 6 dead girls IS the statistical loss. Even if that can only really happen as a result of a mistake.
If you're saying he killed 13 VH sisters with 20 necron warriors, I just don't believe you.
He was indeed in MWBD range and was in rapid fire range and mine were not in cover because I was trying to go for his Barges that he had parked at the very edge of the table out of range of my Multimeltas. He also fired a big Str10 Ap -5 gun at them from said Barge. So a Barge with said gun and the 20 Warriors killed 1 unit of Retributors.
The learning point for me from this game was that Multimeltas are not sufficient AT as the enemy can elect to stay out of their range with worthwhile targets, leaving you to shoot at infantry....
You shouldn't be worried about the one bullet with your name on it, Boldric. You should be worried about the ones labelled "to whom it may concern"-from Blackadder goes Forth!
ERJAK wrote: So if you're saying that 20 necron warriors killed 6 VH retributors in one round of shooting, I could buy that. It would be a clear case of positioning error since the warriors would have to be benefiting from MWBD AND in rapid fire range with you NOT in cover (which rets always should be if there's any chance they might be targeted by enemy anti-infantry shooting), but under those circumstances 6 dead girls IS the statistical loss. Even if that can only really happen as a result of a mistake.
If you're saying he killed 13 VH sisters with 20 necron warriors, I just don't believe you.
He was indeed in MWBD range and was in rapid fire range and mine were not in cover because I was trying to go for his Barges that he had parked at the very edge of the table out of range of my Multimeltas. He also fired a big Str10 Ap -5 gun at them from said Barge. So a Barge with said gun and the 20 Warriors killed 1 unit of Retributors.
The learning point for me from this game was that Multimeltas are not sufficient AT as the enemy can elect to stay out of their range with worthwhile targets, leaving you to shoot at infantry....
By that logic, nothing is sufficient since your opponent can elect to do that against everything we have. I'd think the correct lesson would be not to march Retributors up the board on foot, out of cover and exposed to massed anti-infantry fire, to reach targets more than 36" away...
konst80hummel wrote: I have used them in a 1500 Valorous Heart Battalion. A foot army with a 5++, a Hospitalier and a Imagifier with Tale of the Stoic. I had a 7 girl Retributor squad with H.Bolters and 2 Cherubs and a 7 girl Retributor with Multimeltas and two Cherubs.
Mass Necron fire from a 20 warrior squad removed all but one Multimelta girl.
So if you're saying that 20 necron warriors killed 6 VH retributors in one round of shooting, I could buy that. It would be a clear case of positioning error since the warriors would have to be benefiting from MWBD AND in rapid fire range with you NOT in cover (which rets always should be if there's any chance they might be targeted by enemy anti-infantry shooting), but under those circumstances 6 dead girls IS the statistical loss. Even if that can only really happen as a result of a mistake.
If you're saying he killed 13 VH sisters with 20 necron warriors, I just don't believe you.
Keep in mind if he wants unit dead he can deny one of your units all cover benefits(save, -1 to hit) for his entire army.
Yeah but even if the Necrons get all those things and we get no cover a 20 man necron unit in rapid fire with MWD will kill 6 Retributors unless my math is incorrect. That feels completely fine with me, if you run a full 10 man to soak damage, which you probably should if you are foot slogging they wont on average kill even a single Multimelta in the squad. And that's like 240pts of fire power with buffs.
kiron wrote: So anyone else try infantry list with lots of retributors to comment? Do you find them dying too fast?
Top placing list in a tournament recently(via Goonhammer) ran 3 units of MM rets in rhinos. It also ran a couple units of repentia and mortifiers (which, moritifiers are quickly becoming a standout unit for SoB, which is something I thought was bascially a foregone conclusion given how good they were BEFORE their shooting got doubled.
Turns out 36 melta shots kill the ever loving feth out of a lot of stuff and at that point, it really doesn't matter if they die after.
Mortifiers has been standard for a long time outside of ITC and in 9th. 60pts for them is a steal.
I've always been running 3 HB rets and I think i'm going to have a MM one now too, double the shots on 2 of them is really good when each gun is now double the shots lol.
EDIT: Have a link to the list? Just curious.
Also interested in that list!
Since no list has come forth, I made one. Happy to hear your thoughts. I think is has 13 or so points left over.
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3x Mortifier @ 185
w/6x Heavy bolters, Anchorite
3x Mortifier @ 185
w/6x Heavy bolters, Anchorite
5x Retributors @ 228
w/ 4x multimelta, 2x armorium cherub
Rhino
5x Retributors @ 228
w/ 4x multimelta, 2x armorium cherub
Rhino
5x Retributors @ 228
w/ 4x multimelta, 2x armorium cherub
Rhino
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So has anyone made a list where we didn't have to rely on a butt load of repentia? I really want to make a close in shooting list but it looks like all the meta stuff is "take repentia and bloody rose"
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generalchaos34 wrote: So has anyone made a list where we didn't have to rely on a butt load of repentia? I really want to make a close in shooting list but it looks like all the meta stuff is "take repentia and bloody rose"
Repentia squads have been the most common, as Breacher spam is with Admech, but some lists are popping up with other builds, such as the following which went 3-1 in a Florida event and only featured one squad of Repentia. It seems Mortifiers are slightly more common than Repentia currently and Retributors are making more appearances.
Anyway, still early in the edition and fewer events are happening than is normal, so it may take some time for things to really diversify.
generalchaos34 wrote: So has anyone made a list where we didn't have to rely on a butt load of repentia? I really want to make a close in shooting list but it looks like all the meta stuff is "take repentia and bloody rose"
OLM or VH with 3 units of Celestians, 3 Rets with MM, BBS squads, Seraphims, and Exorcist is really good for a shooting army. You can also have Doms or Immolators depending how you go.
skycapt44 wrote: Yes Deadly decent allows 4 inferno shots and a plasma (if you take on your superior which you should) plus all the AP-1 bolt pistols (if you are running BR which you should). Then repeat in the shooting phase.
Just so we're clear, the range extension only lasts until the end of the (movement) phase you're currently in when you use that stratagem, so inferno pistols will be in shooting range when you use the stratagem, but they'll be back to 6' in the shooting phase.
skycapt44 wrote: Yes Deadly decent allows 4 inferno shots and a plasma (if you take on your superior which you should) plus all the AP-1 bolt pistols (if you are running BR which you should). Then repeat in the shooting phase.
Just so we're clear, the range extension only lasts until the end of the (movement) phase you're currently in when you use that stratagem, so inferno pistols will be in shooting range when you use the stratagem, but they'll be back to 6' in the shooting phase.
That's why you just Deploy Scanners at the end of the movement phase and get those sweet secondary points.
GW has previewed an aura ability of the Palatine, 'confirming' that it acts as a standard luitenant, allowing for reroll wound rolls of 1 for <order> units within 6". She'll be released in 2021.
I know a lot of people have asked for this, but I find it quite the boring ability. It basically 'forces' you to take this model as it will just be too much of a force multiplier. Interestingly though, it doesn't specify core units. This implies that the model comes out before our new codex, as I doubt we are not getting the core treatment.
Bossdoc wrote: I find it really interesting that it works on <Order> and not on <core> <Order> units...
From my own personal reasoning, I think it's down to where the perceived benefit is coming from. For example a marine lieutenant the benefit is coming from their leadership so they dont benefit from it themselves and neither do vehicles. From a sisters point of view, their force multipliers could be said to be drawn from divine intervention but channelled through a focal being. So from that perspective, the focal being would also benefit as a conduit and divine or otherworldly force can affect anything.
At least that's how i'd explain it if I were reasoning out why some auras have core and some dont lol
Bossdoc wrote: I find it really interesting that it works on <Order> and not on <core> <Order> units...
Probably because there aren't that many units in the Sisters lineup, so it's basically a question as to whether or not Exorcists get it.
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To be fair, it could also just be an oversight... It's not uncommon that things go to print with serious errors. Heck, for a little bit there Kastelans were 65 points when kitted out with full phosphor according to Engine War.
Techpriest_ wrote: To be fair, it could also just be an oversight... It's not uncommon that things go to print with serious errors. Heck, for a little bit there Kastelans were 65 points when kitted out with full phosphor according to Engine War.
To be fair, though, the Sisters already have a sort of core thing going with Order, since a significant chunk of their options don't get buff already because they belong to the Ordo Hereticus or Adeptus Ministorium. An additional Core restriction would effectively just be a buff exclusion for the Exorcist, Immolator, and Rhino.
Guardsmen, hear me! Cadia may lie in ruin, but her proud people do not! For each brother and sister who gave their lives to Him as martyrs, we will reap a vengeance fiftyfold! Cadia may be no more, but will never be forgotten; our foes shall tremble in fear at the name, for their doom shall come from the barrels of Cadian guns, fired by Cadian hands! Forward, for vengeance and retribution, in His name and the names of our fallen comrades!
It could also just be that the preview purposefully leaves out the Core keyword, as it would pretty much confirm that a new codex is coming alongside this release.
That would be rather surprising as Sisters is the newest full codex outside of the 9th edition ones. It's not out of the question though, but I'd expect something more like Admech in Engine War for them than a full Codex.
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