So, another year, another error riddled Chapter Approved

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**JohnnyHell**

DominayTrix wrote:
FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
So, on the topic of the thread, apparently we are getting a FAQ in the next couple of weeks.

Of note in the rumor mill:

- The Custodes FW changes were a mistake, the Callidus should not have been dropped, same with the Telemon.

- A lot of the changes that went live were previously written, and there was no oversight since they were written, leading to them going out incorrect.

- Several changes that were meant to go out didn't make the printing date.

This all leads me to point out, yet again, that GW has ZERO clue what it's departments are all doing, and there is little or no communication.

If any of that is true then this kind of thing is EXACTLY why *~critical judgement~* to divine the true intention behind rules is a BS concept.

Using critical judgement to determine that Cultists weren’t mean to be 55pts is not BS. It’s common sense. No “ifs” even needed to qualify that. ;-)

**Sterling191**

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
So, on the topic of the thread, apparently we are getting a FAQ in the next couple of weeks.

Of note in the rumor mill:

- The Custodes FW changes were a mistake, the Callidus should not have been dropped, same with the Telemon.

- A lot of the changes that went live were previously written, and there was no oversight since they were written, leading to them going out incorrect.

- Several changes that were meant to go out didn't make the printing date.

This all leads me to point out, yet again, that GW has ZERO clue what it's departments are all doing, and there is little or no communication.

Source please, because this sounds like the exact same 4chan based stupidity that was fomenting riots prior to the book's release.

**VladimirHerzog**

JohnnyHell wrote:
DominayTrix wrote:
FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
So, on the topic of the thread, apparently we are getting a FAQ in the next couple of weeks.

Of note in the rumor mill:

- The Custodes FW changes were a mistake, the Callidus should not have been dropped, same with the Telemon.

- A lot of the changes that went live were previously written, and there was no oversight since they were written, leading to them going out incorrect.

- Several changes that were meant to go out didn't make the printing date.

This all leads me to point out, yet again, that GW has ZERO clue what it's departments are all doing, and there is little or no communication.

If any of that is true then this kind of thing is EXACTLY why *~critical judgement~* to divine the true intention behind rules is a BS concept.

Using critical judgement to determine that Cultists weren’t mean to be 55pts is not BS. It’s common sense. No “ifs” even needed to qualify that. ;-)

No but using critical judgment to determine that the custom coven obsession "experimental creations" applied to ranged poison weapons and not just melee weapons seemed logical. Turns out that it was "objviously" not intended and that GW forgot to add a word there changed the whole rule.

**Slayer-Fan123**

Martel732 wrote:
It's just the way humans and language work. Professional law makers can't avoid ambiguity problems.

There isn't ambiguity there. If it strictly says they're 55 points per model, that's what it says. That's beyond being a typo, it is pure sloppiness.

**Wayniac**

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
So, on the topic of the thread, apparently we are getting a FAQ in the next couple of weeks.

Of note in the rumor mill:

- The Custodes FW changes were a mistake, the Callidus should not have been dropped, same with the Telemon.

- A lot of the changes that went live were previously written, and there was no oversight since they were written, leading to them going out incorrect.

- Several changes that were meant to go out didn't make the printing date.

This all leads me to point out, yet again, that GW has ZERO clue what it's departments are all doing, and there is little or no communication.

This is top fething kek if true. Like it confirms that they basically each work on one thing, on their own, without communication with anyone else on the team, and push stuff out. Which to me is a surefire sign they are putting out too many things too quickly and everything is in a rush.

What's the source of the rumor?

**Martel732**

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Martel732 wrote:
It's just the way humans and language work. Professional law makers can't avoid ambiguity problems.

There isn't ambiguity there. If it strictly says they're 55 points per model, that's what it says. That's beyond being a typo, it is pure sloppiness.

But it can't possibly be what they MEANT. So there's your ambiguity. People have won millions of dollars in judgments off situations like this. Absurd results. The sniff test. Call it what you want. Strict RAW is not a thing in the world's biggest stages, so why should it be in GW-land?

**BaconCatBug**

Did you write CA19? How can you know what they meant? If GW didn't mean to make them 55ppm, they will errata it. Until then, they are 55ppm.

**Slayer-Fan123**

Martel732 wrote:
Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Martel732 wrote:
It's just the way humans and language work. Professional law makers can't avoid ambiguity problems.

There isn't ambiguity there. If it strictly says they're 55 points per model, that's what it says. That's beyond being a typo, it is pure sloppiness.

But it can't possibly be what they MEANT. So there's your ambiguity. People have won millions of dollars in judgments off situations like this. Absurd results. The sniff test. Call it what you want. Strict RAW is not a thing in the world's biggest stages, so why should it be in GW-land?

And who's to say that wasn't meant to be? Ogryns went up in price, after all. There are already rumors going about regarding no communication between departments (which, based on what we know, should not be surprising).

**LunarSol**

Martel732 wrote:
Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Martel732 wrote:
It's just the way humans and language work. Professional law makers can't avoid ambiguity problems.

There isn't ambiguity there. If it strictly says they're 55 points per model, that's what it says. That's beyond being a typo, it is pure sloppiness.

But it can't possibly be what they MEANT. So there's your ambiguity. People have won millions of dollars in judgments off situations like this. Absurd results. The sniff test. Call it what you want. Strict RAW is not a thing in the world's biggest stages, so why should it be in GW-land?

It was the Moops; RAW.

**Slayer-Fan123**

LunarSol wrote:
Martel732 wrote:
Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Martel732 wrote:
It's just the way humans and language work. Professional law makers can't avoid ambiguity problems.

There isn't ambiguity there. If it strictly says they're 55 points per model, that's what it says. That's beyond being a typo, it is pure sloppiness.

But it can't possibly be what they MEANT. So there's your ambiguity. People have won millions of dollars in judgments off situations like this. Absurd results. The sniff test. Call it what you want. Strict RAW is not a thing in the world's biggest stages, so why should it be in GW-land?

It was the Moops; RAW.

MOORS, SAY MOORS!

**Trickstick**

BaconCatBug wrote:
Did you write CA19? How can you know what they meant? If GW didn't mean to make them 55ppm, they will errata it. Until then, they are 55ppm.

So I guess the only real option is to not play official 40k. Everyone just plays their own variant 40k, with the official version being a source that you an draw from however much you like. I mean, that's what everyone does anyway.

**Slayer-Fan123**

Trickstick wrote:
BaconCatBug wrote:
Did you write CA19? How can you know what they meant? If GW didn't mean to make them 55ppm, they will errata it. Until then, they are 55ppm.

So I guess the only real option is to not play official 40k. Everyone just plays their own variant 40k, with the official version being a source that you an draw from however much you like. I mean, that's what everyone does anyway.

Which is a problem because we are paying for rules and the rules should be coherent. What everyone SHOULD do is stop buying their printed materials altogether to send a message. However I already know the people here won't do that for the most part.

**vipoid**

skchsan wrote:
Is noone going to talk about heavy destroyers being 17 points????

37pts. You still have to pay 20pts for the gun.

**Martel732**

BaconCatBug wrote:
Did you write CA19? How can you know what they meant? If GW didn't mean to make them 55ppm, they will errata it. Until then, they are 55ppm.

Nope. But keep thinking that. Absurd results are to be discarded.

**Fajita Fan**

I kinda feel like the General's Handbook was better produced than the Chapter Approved.

I also really, really, REALLY wish they'd just do one block of Space Marine wargear like bolters or lascannons instead of reprinting the same bloody values for every single Marine force. Scrolling through page after page of wargear is kinda silly.

**BaconCatBug**

Martel732 wrote:
BaconCatBug wrote:
Did you write CA19? How can you know what they meant? If GW didn't mean to make them 55ppm, they will errata it. Until then, they are 55ppm.

Nope. But keep thinking that. Absurd results are to be discarded.

Ok, can we have a game where all my Space Marines automatically hit? After all, it's "absurd" that they ever miss their shots.

**Slipspace**

BaconCatBug wrote:
Martel732 wrote:
BaconCatBug wrote:
Did you write CA19? How can you know what they meant? If GW didn't mean to make them 55ppm, they will errata it. Until then, they are 55ppm.

Nope. But keep thinking that. Absurd results are to be discarded.
Ok, can we have a game where all my Space Marines automatically hit? After all, it's "absurd" that they ever miss their shots.

When are you going to learn what a false equivalency is? There's a world of difference between what is an obvious typo (and yes, it's obvious to everyone - even you - that it's a typo) and making things up. Yes, it's a stupid typo and indicative of GW's general lack of professionalism but in this case it's not going to bring the game grinding to a halt or stop people using the unit in question because, shockingly, we're all human beings and we can apply a modicum of common sense and mediation to our interactions with each other rather than acting like mindless automatons.

**BaconCatBug**

There is no falseness in this equivalency. Both are absurd based on subjective opinions.

**Martel732**

This isn't worth debating. TOs get to make these kind of calls. Period. Our opinions aren't very relevant.

**Blndmage**

Martel732 wrote:
This isn't worth debating. TOs get to make these kind of calls. Period. Our opinions aren't very relevant.

Unless we're going to be organizing tournaments, even if they may be small local ones.
Anyone who wants to can be a TO.

**AnomanderRake**

There's also the issue that while TOs get to make those kinds of calls you get to decide whether or not you want to go to their tournaments and have the right to make up your mind about whether the TO is a twit or not based on information other than what they give you.

**Skawt**

Are the monstrous scything talons price of 60 in error? They were like 15 before.

**AnomanderRake**

Skawt wrote:
Are the monstrous scything talons price of 60 in error? They were like 15 before.

Wouldn't it be great if we could trust GW's prices instead of looking sideways at everything wondering if it's an error or if there's something we're missing?

**Nitro Zeus**

BaconCatBug wrote:
There is no falseness in this equivalency. Both are absurd based on subjective opinions.

Your subjective opinion is what he's calling the false equivalency. A GEQ unit getting a 1000% price multiplier on every model, or Space Marines following the same rules as the rest of the game when it comes to rolling to hit, and the same core structure they had for decades straight. These two things being equally 'absurd', or one actually being 'absurd' at all, is the opinion that he is calling a false equivalency.

**JohnnyHell**

Slipspace wrote:
BaconCatBug wrote:
Martel732 wrote:
BaconCatBug wrote:
Did you write CA19? How can you know what they meant? If GW didn't mean to make them 55ppm, they will errata it. Until then, they are 55ppm.

Nope. But keep thinking that. Absurd results are to be discarded.
Ok, can we have a game where all my Space Marines automatically hit? After all, it's "absurd" that they ever miss their shots.

When are you going to learn what a false equivalency is? There's a world of difference between what is an obvious typo (and yes, it's obvious to everyone - even you - that it's a typo) and making things up. Yes, it's a stupid typo and indicative of GW's general lack of professionalism but in this case it's not going to bring the game grinding to a halt or stop people using the unit in question because, shockingly, we're all human beings and we can apply a modicum of common sense and mediation to our interactions with each other rather than acting like mindless automatons.

He’s been asked by moderators not to post such nonsense fallacies but persists. Maybe he think because it’s not in YMDC it’s ok. Umm, it’s not. It’s still thread derailing nonsense.

**Racerguy180**

JohnnyHell wrote:
Slipspace wrote:
BaconCatBug wrote:
Martel732 wrote:
BaconCatBug wrote:
Did you write CA19? How can you know what they meant? If GW didn't mean to make them 55ppm, they will errata it. Until then, they are 55ppm.

Nope. But keep thinking that. Absurd results are to be discarded.
Ok, can we have a game where all my Space Marines automatically hit? After all, it's "absurd" that they ever miss their shots.

When are you going to learn what a false equivalency is? There's a world of difference between what is an obvious typo (and yes, it's obvious to everyone - even you - that it's a typo) and making things up. Yes, it's a stupid typo and indicative of GW's general lack of professionalism but in this case it's not going to bring the game grinding to a halt or stop people using the unit in question because, shockingly, we're all human beings and we can apply a modicum of common sense and mediation to our interactions with each other rather than acting like mindless automatons.

He’s been asked by moderators not to post such nonsense fallacies but persists. Maybe he think because it’s not in YMDC it’s ok. Umm, it’s not. It’s still thread derailing nonsense.

you cannot derail that which was never on such rail to begin with.

**ingtaer**

Think we are done here.