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Although curiously the lore kinda ignored FW and went with the original Epic scale when it came to Hierophants.

In the lore, a Hierophant is a Warlord Titan equivalent like in Epic and unlike the Warhound equivalent that is the FW Hierophant.

Aye that's probably one of those "Left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing" affairs with GW. Esp since FW is sort of held off to the side at times. FW made the change, which might have been something as simple as just slapping an existing name on a new model made by a designer so that it had some instant marketing.

How many Tyrannofexes will it take to take down a
Warhound Titan
Warlord Titan
Hierophant as big as a Warlord.

They are supposed to be the Nids' titan killers right?

The Hierophant is supposed to be the Titan Killer.

Tyrannofexes with rupture cannons are anti-tank and anti-super heavy but not necessarily anti-titan.

Gladius says there are chaos female sorcerers, so which chaos units are capable of being female?

Master of Possession?
Warpsmith?
Chaos Space Marine?
Some other thing I don't know about?

Anything.


In theory as Chaos Space Marines are made from corrupted Marines, who have no women in their ranks, you'd not get pure Chaos Space Marine females. That said with the warp powers and gods like Slaanesh chances are they could be ANYTHING under that armour - even if originally they were male.

Otherwise any other role in the army would, again, lead from its source so any imperial group that features women could then be corrupted to be female chaos. Of course, yet again, we have to deal with the warp effects which, again, can change, body mind and soul.

greater daemons and daemon princes, how do they stack up to titans?

Swarmlord, how does it stack up to greater daemons and titans?

Avatar of Khaine, how does he stack up to Titans?

Something I've been wondering for a while: how big are the smallest warp-capable ships? In an imperial navy fleet, escort ships are still kilometers long and carry crews in the tens of thousands.

Are there warp-capable ships that aren't the size of a small city? Something an inquisitor would use to travel discreetly for example?

 Tiennos wrote:
Something I've been wondering for a while: how big are the smallest warp-capable ships? In an imperial navy fleet, escort ships are still kilometers long and carry crews in the tens of thousands.

Are there warp-capable ships that aren't the size of a small city? Something an inquisitor would use to travel discreetly for example?

Basically, all you need is a plasma drive (for real space), warp drive (for warp space), Geller field generator (for the daemons), and life support systems, and you have a ship. Because all of these things are bulky and expensive, the best bang for your buck is to build your ships really big. That being said, civilian ships do exist, and they are much smaller than Imperial Navy warships. The Inquisition and Assassinorum use such vessels.

In terms of size, the smallest ship I know of is Amberley Vail's Externus Exterminatus from the Ciaphas Cain series. It is described as a warp-capable yacht, and it houses her retinue, which consists of seven people including herself. In terms of actual size, it seems to be tiny. My guess is half a kilometer long, most of which is taken up by the aforementioned systems.

In terms of crew complement, the Ultio from "Nemesis" is a modified light cargo ship and has a crew of three: a navigator, an astropath, and a servitor pilot who is integrated into the ship. Jaq Draco's Tormentum Malorum from the Inquisitor series seems to be roughly the same size and also has a crew of three.

 Suzuteo wrote:

 Tiennos wrote:
Something I've been wondering for a while: how big are the smallest warp-capable ships? In an imperial navy fleet, escort ships are still kilometers long and carry crews in the tens of thousands.

Are there warp-capable ships that aren't the size of a small city? Something an inquisitor would use to travel discreetly for example?

Basically, all you need is a plasma drive (for real space), warp drive (for warp space), Geller field generator (for the daemons), and life support systems, and you have a ship. Because all of these things are bulky and expensive, the best bang for your buck is to build your ships really big. That being said, civilian ships do exist, and they are much smaller than Imperial Navy warships. The Inquisition and Assassinorum use such vessels.

In terms of size, the smallest ship I know of is Amberley Vail's Externus Exterminatus from the Ciaphas Cain series. It is described as a warp-capable yacht, and it houses her retinue, which consists of seven people including herself. In terms of actual size, it seems to be tiny. My guess is half a kilometer long, most of which is taken up by the aforementioned systems.

In terms of crew complement, the Ultio from "Nemesis" is a modified light cargo ship and has a crew of three: a navigator, an astropath, and a servitor pilot who is integrated into the ship. Jaq Draco's Tormentum Malorum from the Inquisitor series seems to be roughly the same size and also has a crew of three.

Neat! I guess that would look something like a big real life cargo ship in terms of size. Still awfully big, but pretty reasonable, considering it's the Imperium.

Thanks for the info.

What are the methods of creating Daemon Engines?

The one described on the wiki has 3 guys working together. I was wondering if one guy can do it alone.


And bumping my earlier questions.

roboemperor wrote:
greater daemons and daemon princes, how do they stack up to titans?

Swarmlord, how does it stack up to greater daemons and titans?

Avatar of Khaine, how does he stack up to Titans?

Has there been any examples of a Space Marine Chapter deploying their entire chapter on a single ship?

 Tyzarion_Kronius wrote:
Has there been any examples of a Space Marine Chapter deploying their entire chapter on a single ship?

I don't think so. Even GW seem aware that would be a terrible idea and they have mentioned things indicating they don't do that, for example Space Wolves never deploy the entire Chapter to one conflict, someone has to draw the short straw.

I'm curious about the Red Corsairs' symbol. In the current lore, it's that awesome fist in the air, but in the Honsou stories, we see it be some kind of red cross. To be fair, most of the CSM wearing the cross were the equivalent of neophytes, so I'm wondering if the cross is a symbol of someone having just joined the Corsairs or if at the time the stories were written, GW had their symbol be canonically different.

How strong are defilers?

Dawn of War makes them look like tank mooks. No better than dreadnoughts.
Gladius makes them look like they rival greater daemons in power and dwarf dreadnoughts and carnifexes.

 Tiennos wrote:
Something I've been wondering for a while: how big are the smallest warp-capable ships? In an imperial navy fleet, escort ships are still kilometers long and carry crews in the tens of thousands.

Are there warp-capable ships that aren't the size of a small city? Something an inquisitor would use to travel discreetly for example?

In Dan Abnett's Eisenhorn stuff, Eisenhorn has a "gun cutter" and pilot (a relatively 'small' inter-system gunship) but he travels interstellar distances by using the services of a Rogue Trader's ship. The ship is fairly large, but his gun cutter is basically an armed shuttlecraft.

 chromedog wrote:

 Tiennos wrote:
Something I've been wondering for a while: how big are the smallest warp-capable ships? In an imperial navy fleet, escort ships are still kilometers long and carry crews in the tens of thousands.

Are there warp-capable ships that aren't the size of a small city? Something an inquisitor would use to travel discreetly for example?

In Dan Abnett's Eisenhorn stuff, Eisenhorn has a "gun cutter" and pilot (a relatively 'small' inter-system gunship) but he travels interstellar distances by using the services of a Rogue Trader's ship. The ship is fairly large, but his gun cutter is basically an armed shuttlecraft.

https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Viper-class_Scout_Sloop

Not official sources but it does give a citation to RT. So excluding the Inquisition black ops ships 950m.

 ArcaneHorror wrote:
I'm curious about the Red Corsairs' symbol. In the current lore, it's that awesome fist in the air, but in the Honsou stories, we see it be some kind of red cross. To be fair, most of the CSM wearing the cross were the equivalent of neophytes, so I'm wondering if the cross is a symbol of someone having just joined the Corsairs or if at the time the stories were written, GW had their symbol be canonically different.

Old fluff was that the RCs didn't have a 'chapter' symbol or colours. Individual RC marines just painted red crosses over their previous loyalist chapter heraldry. The unified red-and-black colour scheme and clawed fist icon are (5th edition IIRC) retcons.

Red Corsairs in the second 3rd edition CSM codex:
http://redelf.narod.ru/pi/w40k/ia/rsm_chapters_02.jpg

Tyzarion_Kronius wrote:Has there been any examples of a Space Marine Chapter deploying their entire chapter on a single ship?

Depends how many Marines are left in the Chapter.

Could you have fitted the entire Crimson Fists Chapter on one strike cruiser at one time? Absolutely.

Is deploying the full compliment of 1000 Marines on one Battle Barge/larger vessel (Phalanx/Rock) common? Unlikely, unless you're a fleet Chapter. You'd still want people to look after your homeworld, after all.
The only time I can remember a full Chapter on one ship (and even then, I'm not 100% sure it was all on one ship, and not several attacking in concert) is the attack on the World Engine by the Astral Knights, who rammed the Necron ship with their own Battle Barge, and led a full Chapter assault within the heart of the World Engine.

 Tyzarion_Kronius wrote:
Has there been any examples of a Space Marine Chapter deploying their entire chapter on a single ship?

It tends heavily in the other direction. Often we see not even a company on one ship. In the ' ... of Mars' series, it gets as low as one (partial) squad and a chaplain. Demi-companies or battle forces made up of several squads are common.

Any Space Marine capital ship can easily hold an entire Chapter and more. Honestly you can probably fit an entire Chapter on an escort.

But the Space Marines don't do that because putting all your eggs in one basket tends to backfire a lot.

Voss wrote:

 Tyzarion_Kronius wrote:
Has there been any examples of a Space Marine Chapter deploying their entire chapter on a single ship?

It tends heavily in the other direction. Often we see not even a company on one ship. In the ' ... of Mars' series, it gets as low as one (partial) squad and a chaplain. Demi-companies or battle forces made up of several squads are common.

They were Black Templars who deploy abnormally though.

pm713 wrote:

Voss wrote:

 Tyzarion_Kronius wrote:
Has there been any examples of a Space Marine Chapter deploying their entire chapter on a single ship?

It tends heavily in the other direction. Often we see not even a company on one ship. In the ' ... of Mars' series, it gets as low as one (partial) squad and a chaplain. Demi-companies or battle forces made up of several squads are common.

They were Black Templars who deploy abnormally though.

Somewhat?
But there are a lot of instances where the marine presence is one or two squads and a captain/librarian/chaplain, so it feels closer to the norm.
Going by the books, 11 to 21 actually seems far more common than a full company deployment, regardless of chapter.

 Tiennos wrote:
Something I've been wondering for a while: how big are the smallest warp-capable ships? In an imperial navy fleet, escort ships are still kilometers long and carry crews in the tens of thousands.

Are there warp-capable ships that aren't the size of a small city? Something an inquisitor would use to travel discreetly for example?

The novel Eye of Terror has a warp capable ship that can land on a planet. The only crew are the Rogue Trader who owns it and a navigator. This ship makes a few warp trips without refueling, if I recall, and was generally treated like a Mellinneum Falcon type.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

 Tiennos wrote:
Something I've been wondering for a while: how big are the smallest warp-capable ships? In an imperial navy fleet, escort ships are still kilometers long and carry crews in the tens of thousands.

Are there warp-capable ships that aren't the size of a small city? Something an inquisitor would use to travel discreetly for example?

The novel Eye of Terror has a warp capable ship that can land on a planet. The only crew are the Rogue Trader who owns it and a navigator. This ship makes a few warp trips without refueling, if I recall, and was generally treated like a Mellinneum Falcon type.

Now that's really small for 40k! Considering what they usually build, a regular shipyard could probably mass produce ships that size. Although it doesn't look like there are a whole lot of people travelling on their own in the Imperium, so demand must be pretty low.

 Tiennos wrote:

 Suzuteo wrote:

 Tiennos wrote:
Something I've been wondering for a while: how big are the smallest warp-capable ships? In an imperial navy fleet, escort ships are still kilometers long and carry crews in the tens of thousands.

Are there warp-capable ships that aren't the size of a small city? Something an inquisitor would use to travel discreetly for example?

Basically, all you need is a plasma drive (for real space), warp drive (for warp space), Geller field generator (for the daemons), and life support systems, and you have a ship. Because all of these things are bulky and expensive, the best bang for your buck is to build your ships really big. That being said, civilian ships do exist, and they are much smaller than Imperial Navy warships. The Inquisition and Assassinorum use such vessels.

In terms of size, the smallest ship I know of is Amberley Vail's Externus Exterminatus from the Ciaphas Cain series. It is described as a warp-capable yacht, and it houses her retinue, which consists of seven people including herself. In terms of actual size, it seems to be tiny. My guess is half a kilometer long, most of which is taken up by the aforementioned systems.

In terms of crew complement, the Ultio from "Nemesis" is a modified light cargo ship and has a crew of three: a navigator, an astropath, and a servitor pilot who is integrated into the ship. Jaq Draco's Tormentum Malorum from the Inquisitor series seems to be roughly the same size and also has a crew of three.

Neat! I guess that would look something like a big real life cargo ship in terms of size. Still awfully big, but pretty reasonable, considering it's the Imperium.

Thanks for the info.

There's an Inquisition 2-man warp capable fighter in one of the Grey Knights novels - Inquisitor / Pilot & Navigator.

 Tiennos wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

 Tiennos wrote:
Something I've been wondering for a while: how big are the smallest warp-capable ships? In an imperial navy fleet, escort ships are still kilometers long and carry crews in the tens of thousands.

Are there warp-capable ships that aren't the size of a small city? Something an inquisitor would use to travel discreetly for example?

The novel Eye of Terror has a warp capable ship that can land on a planet. The only crew are the Rogue Trader who owns it and a navigator. This ship makes a few warp trips without refueling, if I recall, and was generally treated like a Mellinneum Falcon type.

Now that's really small for 40k! Considering what they usually build, a regular shipyard could probably mass produce ships that size. Although it doesn't look like there are a whole lot of people travelling on their own in the Imperium, so demand must be pretty low.

With these kinds of things, is usually that the tech is old and advanced and no one knows how to miniaturize it anymore. Every component in those ships is still manufacturable, but not at that tiny scale.

 Duskweaver wrote:

 ArcaneHorror wrote:
I'm curious about the Red Corsairs' symbol. In the current lore, it's that awesome fist in the air, but in the Honsou stories, we see it be some kind of red cross. To be fair, most of the CSM wearing the cross were the equivalent of neophytes, so I'm wondering if the cross is a symbol of someone having just joined the Corsairs or if at the time the stories were written, GW had their symbol be canonically different.

Old fluff was that the RCs didn't have a 'chapter' symbol or colours. Individual RC marines just painted red crosses over their previous loyalist chapter heraldry. The unified red-and-black colour scheme and clawed fist icon are (5th edition IIRC) retcons.

Red Corsairs in the second 3rd edition CSM codex:
http://redelf.narod.ru/pi/w40k/ia/rsm_chapters_02.jpg

Ok, I didn't know that, but it makes sense. Maybe the fluff can be combined so that new recruits just have the cross, but after a fixed period of time to prove their skill and loyalty, they get the fist icon.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

 Tiennos wrote:
Something I've been wondering for a while: how big are the smallest warp-capable ships? In an imperial navy fleet, escort ships are still kilometers long and carry crews in the tens of thousands.

Are there warp-capable ships that aren't the size of a small city? Something an inquisitor would use to travel discreetly for example?

The novel Eye of Terror has a warp capable ship that can land on a planet. The only crew are the Rogue Trader who owns it and a navigator. This ship makes a few warp trips without refueling, if I recall, and was generally treated like a Mellinneum Falcon type.

The Warhammer Adventures seies has multiple similar ships - the Scriptor is seemingly crewed by Elise, Erasmus, and two children; the Profiteer is crewed by Amity and a single sevitor; and the Zealot's Heart appears to be crewed by Inquisitor Jeremias and a servo skull.

What's stopping Necrons from just copying and pasting themselves?