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But then how will they get you to buy all new drop pods?
Frankly, assuming that the new pod is (somehow!) better looking than the old one, I'm fine with that too. I just want to put my Primaris in a Drop Pod. If that involves buying new pods, so be it.
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BrianDavion wrote: And I agree with him, Sisters should totally get a flyer
Again, it's not just Sisters that miss a flyer. And, more generally, it's not just primaris that lack some, or even a lot, of battlefield roles. Yet those other armies don't get anything like primaris get.
BrianDavion wrote: a super heavy well.. yeah no not every army has those
Hey BrianDavion, remember that this was Xenomancer's argument:
“Primaris marines lack a lot of things actually. No flyer, no dedicated tank, only 1 super heavy.”
Apparently, according to him, having only one superheavy is really not enough. Argue it with him, not with me. I'm just here saying other armies don't even have one, and they don't get release wave after release wave, meaning “If you think about it that way. There really is no reason to complain.” is false, there is still plenty of reasons to complain.
Also why is the “no dedicated tank”? Primaris have the Impulsor, Repulsor and Repulsor Executionner. That's one troop transport, one hybrid troop transport/shooty, and one shooty tank. Same as what Sisters have, except Sisters have been limited to these 3 for 17 years. Apparently that didn't require a new release for them. Adeptus Mechanicus have only 2 tanks, the two Skorpius variant, with one of them being also a transport. Dark Eldars have the usual 2-variant shooty and transport too, with the Raider and the ravager, plus the tiny Venom. Really, with those 3 vehicles, Primaris are already about at the average number of vehicles for a faction, including very old factions, while they are brand new. Xenomancer's argument make absolutely 0 sense.
Alpharius wrote: They should actually hope for a *faster* release for all the Primaris stuff - once it’s all out, GW will have time to move on to all those neglected lines!
As multiple people have pointed out already, this is a silly assertion, implying that Space Marine releases isn't a bottomless pit. Centurions proved otherwise. Various random flyers different for every chapter and their dog proved otherwise. Random new kind of Terminator suits proved otherwise. Hunter+ the other tank whose name I can't remember proved otherwise. Primaris proved otherwise. And that's not even counting the extra-dumb chapters, getting stuff like Santa on a sleigh.
“Let's put stuff faster into the bottomless pit, we will fill it faster” sounds like a gambler who is sure he'll be rich if he just mortgage his house to get enough money to play again and win it all back, at that point.
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Drop pod deep strike doesn't really need a model really. Just let the models be deployed via deepstriking.
That's just silly. They arrive via Drop Pod, the pod must be there. It cannot just vanish.
It worked that way just fine back in 3rd edition. Just go back to depicting pods in the old Epic flower petal style where they basically deployed flat and didn't affect LoS.
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PiñaColada wrote: To me the pixelation being this bad points to the fact that the image is a thumbnail picture that someone managed to grab online due to a GW screwup (assuming it is indeed legit and also not an intentional leak)
I tought quite similar a thumbnail from like a side image from WD next month page or something quickly grabbed from another screen, the simple fact it's just cropped and zoomed into the primaris stuff instead showing anything else means it was a quickly photo from something not allowed to be seen yet.
At the end of the day, this is all a problem of GW's own creation. Primaris "need" bikers, assault marines, flyers, dedicated tanks/hybrid tank transports/dedicated transports/a deep strike vehicle kit only because the marine lineup was complete to the point of absurdity, and GW made the call to hack it all off at the ankles to start over AND to do it differently than they'd done before, i.e. actively obsoleting their players' armies to force them to be rebought.
When new models come out for...pretty much anyone but primaris, old minis you already had are at least not useless. Marine players with Primaris are being told that either they have to be a consumer whale, dropping 250+ dollars every couple months to get the new slightly altered marine units that they can't use any of their existing collection to get, or they just...don't get to have decent rules for their stuff.
People who made the decision to buy in to GW's pushing of the increasingly fractured space marine ranges are now being blatantly punished for refusing to pony up for the initial primaris ranges. Hey, two years ago when we released Deathwatch as this super-customizable bespoke space marine kitbashing enthusiast's dream, did you drop 500 dollars on a 2,000 point army? Well feth you, we are extremely purposefully hamstringing your army as part of our efforts to get more people to adopt the Primaris brand-shift. You don't even get a choice to adopt the new primaris kits in your army, and the rules in the codexes we are trying to push the primaris in are so massively better than the rules in your codex you might as well not even come to the table.
Oh, you took a Land Raider out of your codex, and your opponent took an identical Land Raider out of their Imperial Fists supplement? Theirs does literally double the damage to yours on average.
fun stuff, but GW is using the balance of their own game as a cudgel to drive people to have to buy.
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Comes with Twin Heavy Bolter. Can purchase Twin Laz talon's, Quad Fragstorm launchers, or Twin-XXX rocketpods. Can also take an Aegis array for a 5++ or the deep strike blocking thing.
Has gravitic backwash and regular marine rules.
Should cost 100-150ish
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But then how will they get you to buy all new drop pods?
Frankly, assuming that the new pod is (somehow!) better looking than the old one, I'm fine with that too. I just want to put my Primaris in a Drop Pod. If that involves buying new pods, so be it.
Drop pods having a model is a newish concept, fluff wise as an idea: primaris drop pods strip out the weapon systems to be totally collapsible after disembarking, reducing accidental damage and waste to chapter assets.
Why do you think there has to be a model to represent a model dropping in from orbit?
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funny story, good thing I can play 30K with all my current minis, no need for the primaris in my army.
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Drop pods having a model is a newish concept, fluff wise as an idea: primaris drop pods strip out the weapon systems to be totally collapsible after disembarking, reducing accidental damage and waste to chapter assets.
That's just stupid. And it would still be visible, it cannot completely vanish.
Why do you think there has to be a model to represent a model dropping in from orbit?
Because this is a model game and I want to represent stuff with cool looking models! Isn't it pretty damn obvious?
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Drop pods having a model is a newish concept, fluff wise as an idea: primaris drop pods strip out the weapon systems to be totally collapsible after disembarking, reducing accidental damage and waste to chapter assets.
That's just stupid. And it would still be visible, it cannot completely vanish.
Why do you think there has to be a model to represent a model dropping in from orbit?
Because this is a model game and I want to represent stuff with cool looking models! Isn't it pretty damn obvious?
Do you have a wreckage terrain/model for each vehicle that gets destroyed? Or are you happy for those to vanish?
It's just an abstraction, the game used drop pods for more than 1 edition with no model, why on earth would my guys on the table want to waste fire on a drop pod? Its empty and unable to move, it literally doesn't contribute in a fluff perspective.
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Drop pods having a model is a newish concept, fluff wise as an idea: primaris drop pods strip out the weapon systems to be totally collapsible after disembarking, reducing accidental damage and waste to chapter assets.
That's just stupid. And it would still be visible, it cannot completely vanish.
Why do you think there has to be a model to represent a model dropping in from orbit?
Because this is a model game and I want to represent stuff with cool looking models! Isn't it pretty damn obvious?
Do you have a wreckage terrain/model for each vehicle that gets destroyed? Or are you happy for those to vanish?
It's just an abstraction, the game used drop pods for more than 1 edition with no model, why on earth would my guys on the table want to waste fire on a drop pod? Its empty and landed, it literally doesn't contribute in a fluff perspective.
I have a few wrecked models for common models, and failing that I have some nice looking smoke.
Yeah, I want to see destruction represented on the tabletop. I hate that they removed that from the gameplay in 8th.
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"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"
"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"
"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!"
Do you have a wreckage terrain/model for each vehicle that gets destroyed? Or are you happy for those to vanish?
I am not happy that the vanish. It is weird. Leaving the model in plave, maybe with some smoke or fire marker was a common practice previously. A wreck model would be ideal, but unfortunately I don't have those and current rules do not support such.
It's just an abstraction, the game used drop pods for more than 1 edition with no model, why on earth would my guys on the table want to waste fire on a drop pod? Its empty and landed, it literally doesn't contribute in a fluff perspective.
Do you use terrain? This is a bloody bizarre argument. I want models for stuff in a model game, not a fething weird concept!
If the picture s genuine, then what publication is it from ?
It's blood angels and Ultramarines .......one of which has been done in PA and the other isn't likely to be in the future books.
An absolute outlier would be that the last book sees Sanguinus return, meaning those forces in photosgraphs in that book and a reason why Primaris would get more assault based wargear.
More likely it's a fake using the Heresy speeder photoshopped.
Do you have a wreckage terrain/model for each vehicle that gets destroyed? Or are you happy for those to vanish?
I am not happy that the vanish. It is weird. Leaving the model in plave, maybe with some smoke or fire marker was a common practice previously. A wreck model would be ideal, but unfortunately I don't have those and current rules do not support such.
It's just an abstraction, the game used drop pods for more than 1 edition with no model, why on earth would my guys on the table want to waste fire on a drop pod? Its empty and landed, it literally doesn't contribute in a fluff perspective.
Do you use terrain? This is a bloody bizarre argument. I want models for stuff in a model game, not a fething weird concept!
Ofc I use terrain, but I don't model an off-board teleportarium.
The point is the drop pod exists 100% to get marines onto the ground. Once they're there, it doesn't matter any more, so why bother making rules and a model beyond: unit arrives from deepstrike.
But then how will they get you to buy all new drop pods?
Frankly, assuming that the new pod is (somehow!) better looking than the old one, I'm fine with that too. I just want to put my Primaris in a Drop Pod. If that involves buying new pods, so be it.
Drop pods having a model is a newish concept, fluff wise as an idea: primaris drop pods strip out the weapon systems to be totally collapsible after disembarking, reducing accidental damage and waste to chapter assets.
Why do you think there has to be a model to represent a model dropping in from orbit?
Because dropping from orbit with a model costs money and dropping from orbit without a model is free.
Frankly i think drop pods look like eyesores, but if you want yet another model, im sure a primaris brand drop pod will be a thing to buy up. Gw isn't gonna pass that up. to iconic, and it's not like there weren't drop pod variants with guns as is. they are missing those new stubbers!
Ofc I use terrain, but I don't model an off-board teleportarium.
Because the teleportarium is not on the battlefield, unlike the bloody drop pod that just dropped there!
The point is the drop pod exists 100% to get marines onto the ground. Once they're there, it doesn't matter any more, so why bother making rules and a model beyond: unit arrives from deepstrike.
No, you got this completely backwards! The purpose of drop pod, just like every model in 40K is to be a nice looking visual representation of a thing that exist in the fiction. The purpose of rules is to give you an excuse to put these models on the table with some nice terrain.
Let's not derail further, if people want to pay for a nice model to represent a rule then all the better foGW and the people it makes happy. I'm all for a nice cinematic table!
Alpharius wrote: They should actually hope for a *faster* release for all the Primaris stuff - once it’s all out, GW will have time to move on to all those neglected lines!
As multiple people have pointed out already, this is a silly assertion, implying that Space Marine releases isn't a bottomless pit. Centurions proved otherwise. Various random flyers different for every chapter and their dog proved otherwise. Random new kind of Terminator suits proved otherwise. Hunter+ the other tank whose name I can't remember proved otherwise. Primaris proved otherwise. And that's not even counting the extra-dumb chapters, getting stuff like Santa on a sleigh.
“Let's put stuff faster into the bottomless pit, we will fill it faster” sounds like a gambler who is sure he'll be rich if he just mortgage his house to get enough money to play again and win it all back, at that point.
HA!
I wasn't being serious!
I agree that the statement makes about as much sense as posting about how much you don't like Primaris marines in a "New Primaris stuff on the horizon" thread.
It's all good though - plenty of room for all sorts of electrons in here.
EnTyme wrote: Did they hire Bigfoot's photographer for that image?
No, it's the camera they used...
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