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I think that was a really solid first draft of a script/plot.
Work out the kinks and that'll be.. oh.
The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
I just felt that when dealing with a time travelling show it's kinda key to say when you are.
Okay, so assume we're in the future then -- and the space squid was alright as a joke and I always dig getting a slight glance at whatever they've been doing elsewhere/elsewhen. -- given the ability of a promo device from a coffee vending machine to teleport X number of people how far -- from inside a Tardis.
Bit of luck it took all of them and they wanted to go and it didn't just teleport everyone within X feet -- some of whom might not have wanted to go or might not have been suitable for the planet or anyone one of the myriad of other reasons that make this a bad idea.
Not quite sure what the daughter's actual plan was.
Revenge is a well established motivation.. but how did she get there ?
With all the bombs.
And how was she going to get out and why didn't the incredibly hi-tech place maybe have something that might maybe have detected/sniffed etc etc the many many bombs she brought with her ?
None of it's impossible to work around but too many of the recent scripts do not feel polished enough.
Which detracts from the show as you wind up wondering, for example, that when the plan to stop the aliens who can carve through steel is to pile up plastic sun loungers you don't know if that's a joke about it being a bad plan/or a last resort or symptomatic of a character or whatever or just a bit daft.
Take the engineer and his boy :
Can accept the existence of a less than competent engineer being in charge of this... but why is he so inept ?
Why is his son so good etc etc etc.
Could easily have been due to, say, a crisis in confidence due to his divorce or feelings of parental inadequacy.. Dr or a companion gets to make THE BIG EMOTIONAL SPEECH and , whatdoyaknow! -- he comes through when they need him, resolves or improves his relationship with his son .. huzzah once again the Dr actually caring about things like people has saved the day.
There's germs of ideas or plots there but to me they're not thought through.
I'm also of the opinion that the Dr probably should've known what/where orphan 55 was as soon as she heard the name , especially given the Drs fondness for Earth.
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The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
I agree the father-son relationship needed as much fleshing out as the old unmarried couple - a short scene and a couple of lines and we had their story fleshed out.
And the bombs - well she had the technical know-how to handle the hopper virus (despite getting infected herself - but maybe that was the perfect cover) so smuggling bombs on might not have been that hard.
Irradiated russian underground, mutants everywhere, oxygen on a timer, and a psychic alien-like creature messing with peoples heads and getting them all killed (the latter being the doctor who seemed to be intent on racking up a body count this week, even closing out the episode with a diatribe rather than flicking a few levers and saving the last two survivors)
well that was a new low point in muddled boswellox, torn between sticking with it to meet my very British craving for disappointment or just ignoring it and hoping it goes away
"AND YET YOU ACT AS IF THERE IS SOME IDEAL ORDER IN THE WORLD, AS IF THERE IS SOME...SOME RIGHTNESS IN THE UNIVERSE BY WHICH IT MAY BE JUDGED."
Well I must say that tonight's episode, featuring Edison and Tesla, was good. The theme provided a solid backbone for the episode's shenanigans and the featured villians were reasonable.
Looking forward to next week's episode with the rhino aliens I forget the name of.
Jadoon......
And yes this weeks was better. Although watching these im thinking the 'companions' are a waste of space they just hang around and dont actually do or bring anything, might be due to the number of them but at the moment there mummerers and are there to fill the back ground of the scenes.
A great episode. Tesla was great and the aliens were well realized. I'll be honest though - when I glimpsed them in the trailers I though the Racnos were coming back.
MarkNorfolk wrote: A great episode. Tesla was great and the aliens were well realized. I'll be honest though - when I glimpsed them in the trailers I though the Racnos were coming back.
Cheers! Its been years since I've seen that episode.
I suppose its pretty cool that the new scorpion has similar make up style to the Racnoss spider empress. Both are also played with an alert style as if constantly anticipating threat and prey.
Maybe the actress drew inspiration from Sarah Parish's portrayal (who did a great job despite being trapped in an immobile costume).
While we're talking about The Runaway Bride I always thought is was great that the Racnos Queen and her human co-conspirator seemed to get on - it wasn't just evil boss and lackey.
AduroT wrote: I love how fashionable it is to hate on Edison and fawn over Tesla in sci-fi shows these days.
I think it was quite a fair and surprisingly nuanced portrayal of Edison, actually. He got to give a pretty effective (IMO) defence / apologia of his way of doing things. And he had a point, surely? Hiring a bunch of very smart people to do R&D while he went out and got funding and did what these days we'd call 'public relations' was a more effective way of 'changing the world' than Tesla's 'lone genius with no money' approach.
And the episode seemed to suggest at the end that, if Tesla had been able to swallow his pride and go back to working for Edison, it would have ended up better for everyone. Tesla, as portrayed in the episode, actually came across as a bit of a hypocrite. If you really do just want to benefit humanity, then why do you care so much about who gets the credit? Surely, if he'd been 100% honest about his own motivations, he'd have been willing to bury the hatchet and accept Edison's offer? But instead he walks away.
So I think both of them got a pretty nuanced and balanced portrayal.
A little bit of righteous anger now and then is good, actually. Don't trust a person who never gets angry.
Well that was great. Chibnall seems to be paying homage to Davies, and I don't think that's a bad thing.
Spoiler:
Theory A - we've had mention of alternate universes in the season opener, so is the 'Ruth' Doctor (and associated Galfreyan hunter) from a parallel existence?
Theory B - there is a fan theory that the Doctor spent some time before he regenerated into The Third Doctor working for the Celestial Intervention Agency before having his memory wiped and beginning his exile. This new Doctor could be from then. She certainly has an older 'Desktop theme'.
Ever since Jodie came on board I’ve been very ambivalent about Who; I liked her and the companions, but the plots have been mediocre. That changed last night for me, I had an absolute blast and am really looking forward to where they’re taking this!
Also MDG, I don’t know if they were the “cheap” episodes per se, but it definitely felt like they were treading water; I wonder if those were the ones that they couldn’t link into the big overarching story that they seem to have planned.
Zed wrote: *All statements reflect my opinion at this moment. if some sort of pretty new model gets released (or if I change my mind at random) I reserve the right to jump on any bandwagon at will.
So, gathering theories. I’ll use a spoiler tag though, just in case.
Spoiler:
1. The Doctor has wound up in a parallel universe, somehow.
2. This is another hidden incarnation, in the vein of the War Doctor. Seemingly between Troughton and Pertwee, as that’s the only regeneration that happened off screen. It also explains inconsistencies in the woeful Two Doctors
3. Mindwipe on The Doctor, so she doesn’t recognise her past self (as in, Dr Ruth doesn’t recognise Dr Jodie)
4. Dr Ruth is simply lying, and does in fact recognise Dr Jodie, but is up to something, and has a purpose as yet unrevealed.
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I was kind of Meh on the episode overall myself. I was down with the return of Jack, and the Jadoon, but the second Doctor was eh. It’s been done before. Also the Schrodinger’s Gallifrey they keep doing is getting old with it always being missing or timelocked or destroyed or evil or whatever.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: So, gathering theories. I’ll use a spoiler tag though, just in case.
Spoiler:
1. The Doctor has wound up in a parallel universe, somehow.
2. This is another hidden incarnation, in the vein of the War Doctor. Seemingly between Troughton and Pertwee, as that’s the only regeneration that happened off screen. It also explains inconsistencies in the woeful Two Doctors
3. Mindwipe on The Doctor, so she doesn’t recognise her past self (as in, Dr Ruth doesn’t recognise Dr Jodie)
4. Dr Ruth is simply lying, and does in fact recognise Dr Jodie, but is up to something, and has a purpose as yet unrevealed.
RE: Theories
Spoiler:
I think it's more likely that the 'Ruth' Doctor and her Gallifreyan pursuers have wound up in 'our' universe. The Master recognized Thirteen, and Ruth's ex-comrade-turned-hunter din't believe post-apocalypse Galifrey. I kind of got the feeling that that was 'our' Jack.
If Ruth is from an alternate universe it seems a crueler 'mirror' universe - one where the 'War' Doctor is the norm. Using a gun, booby trapping it (basically actively killing someone) mutilating the Judoon Captain... not really 'our' Doctor.
The mind-wipe idea has legs - especially if seen in partnership with the Master's "everything they told you is a lie" line.
The missing regeneration contravenes the fact that Eleven (who turned out to be Twelve, but really sort of Twelve-and-a-half) had to have his regenerations reset . But then again - everything is a lie!
And let's remember that the writer's can say something is a definite fact that turns out to be not the case. The Doctor was definitely dead, but then actually it was a robot copy with a miniturized Doctor driving it.
Seventh Doctor did the booby trap. Twice. First with Nemesis, where it wrecked a Cyberfleet. The with The Hand of Omega, which sent Skaro’s Sun supernova. Both instances where he could’ve happily kept it out the enemy’s hands, but instead allowed them to destroy themself.
11th’s half regen could be a rationalisation at the time.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Apologies. It was Hand of Omega, then Nemesis. My whoops!
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Seventh Doctor did the booby trap. Twice. First with Nemesis, where it wrecked a Cyberfleet. The with The Hand of Omega, which sent Skaro’s Sun supernova. Both instances where he could’ve happily kept it out the enemy’s hands, but instead allowed them to destroy themself.
11th’s half regen could be a rationalisation at the time.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Apologies. It was Hand of Omega, then Nemesis. My whoops!
Well, the stories were one after the other and had an identical pitch (semi-mythical super weapon plus long-standing enemy). Very easy mistake to make. Daleks and Cybermen - special cases surely.
Spoiler:
and I can't see even the 'dark' Doctor pulling body pieces of any body.
Talking to the Daily Mirror in the UK, Doctor Who showrunner Chris Chibnall stated that the Doctor, as portrayed by Jo Martin in this weekend’s episode Fugitive Of The Judoon, is not a parallel universe version of the Doctor, as some – including us at Bleeding Cool – had been leaning towards. She’s the Doctor – our Doctor.
So why does she not remember the sonic screwdriver? Why does the Thirteenth Doctor not remember her – or why the Fugitive Doctor does not remember the Thirteenth Doctor as part of their timeline? Plenty more questions, and now fewer answers. The Mirror reports Chibnall’s words;
“The important thing to say is – she is definitively the Doctor,” he explained. “There’s not a sort of parallel universe going on, there’s no tricks.
“Jo Martin is the Doctor, that’s why we gave her the credit at the end which all new Doctors have the first time you see them. John Hurt got that credit.”
Which she did totally get.
I was quite taken with the idea of the 2.5 Dr..
but suspect that'll be unliklely given how convoluted this'd be even for Who.
Thought at first maybe all/many/some of the Gallifreyans were perhaps hiding in a manner like this -- from the Master/whatever.
Nice to be able to add yet another lighthouse to the Who setting though :
was semi-sure it' was going to turn out that the Lighthouse was in fact another Tardis.
The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
