Errata for Chapter Approved 2019?

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**Gnarlly**

Any word/update on an official errata for Chapter Approved 2019? Still "any day now?"
If you are unfamilar with the issues in CA2019, see this thread: https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/783252.page

**fraser1191**

I don't know the exact release date but they say 2 weeks after. But given the holidays I think it's safe to assume it might be another week or 2

**Sterling191**

fraser1191 wrote:
I don't know the exact release date but they say 2 weeks after. But given the holidays I think it's safe to assume it might be another week or 2

It's been nearly a month since CA2019 released. We're well past the usual FAQ window.

**BrianDavion**

Sterling191 wrote:
fraser1191 wrote:
I don't know the exact release date but they say 2 weeks after. But given the holidays I think it's safe to assume it might be another week or 2

It's been nearly a month since CA2019 released. We're well past the usual FAQ window.

You realize they've likely spent the last 2 weeks with most of their staff off on holiday for Christmas and New Years right?

**Sterling191**

BrianDavion wrote:
Sterling191 wrote:
fraser1191 wrote:
I don't know the exact release date but they say 2 weeks after. But given the holidays I think it's safe to assume it might be another week or 2

It's been nearly a month since CA2019 released. We're well past the usual FAQ window.

You realize they've likely spent the last 2 weeks with most of their staff off on holiday for Christmas and New Years right?

You do realize that I explicitly quote replied to a statement to that effect, and was clarifying where in regards to the release cycle we sit?

**p5freak**

The FAQ for Faith&Fury isnt out yet either, it was released before CA2019. This was long before christmas.

**Ishagu**

Nothing needs urgent fixing.

The missions in CA function well.

**Dysartes**

Ishagu wrote:
Nothing needs urgent fixing.

The content in CA2019 may not need fixing - I don't know, I haven't bought it yet - but I believe there are multiple issues with the MFM that accompanies CA2019 that do. DW biker numbers, for example.

**NoiseMarine with Tinnitus**

How did we get into a situation where it is expected that GW will issue erratas so soon after the release of a full price product?

Is it just a given they release broken shat that hasn't been proof read or do they now outsource the rules writing to their Chinese sweatshop printers as well?

**Daedalus81**

NoiseMarine with Tinnitus wrote:
How did we get into a situation where it is expected that GW will issue erratas so soon after the release of a full price product?

Is it just a given they release broken shat that hasn't been proof read or do they now outsource the rules writing to their Chinese sweatshop printers as well?

Well, it is something they themselves committed to doing. Ideally it would have been just FAQs without the need for Errata, but such is life.

**JohnnyHell**

Damn them for not working through Christmas and New Year...

(Actually, yes, damn them, I had too!!!)

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NoiseMarine with Tinnitus wrote:
How did we get into a situation where it is expected that GW will issue erratas so soon after the release of a full price product?

They quite literally committed to the FAQ schedule themselves.

**Amishprn86**

NoiseMarine with Tinnitus wrote:
How did we get into a situation where it is expected that GW will issue erratas so soon after the release of a full price product?

Is it just a given they release broken shat that hasn't been proof read or do they now outsource the rules writing to their Chinese sweatshop printers as well?

They made a post saying they will
https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/40kFAQFuture-Dec15-Infographic4fqn.jpg

**Ghaz**

Amishprn86 wrote:
NoiseMarine with Tinnitus wrote:
How did we get into a situation where it is expected that GW will issue erratas so soon after the release of a full price product?

Is it just a given they release broken shat that hasn't been proof read or do they now outsource the rules writing to their Chinese sweatshop printers as well?

They made a post saying they will
https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/40kFAQFuture-Dec15-Infographic4fqn.jpg

And here is the updated picture with the current April date for the Spring update

...

Spoiler:

Note that it says two weeks after a codex is released they'll release an errata shortly thereafter, and they've been pretty good on the codices (and battletomes for Age of Sigmar) so far. The Psychic Awakening books have been taking a little longer. Right now (if I'm not missing anything) we're awaiting FAQs for Chapter Approved 2019, Faith and Fury, Blood of Baal and the Slaves to Darkness battletome.

**MrMoustaffa**

To be fair if you're salty, just remember you're not a sisters player. That book won't be getting a FAQ till probably late February, so it could always be worse

**ccs**

You'll get your FAQ/errata right after sales #s confirm they've sold enough SM bikers.

**nekooni**

ccs wrote:
You'll get your FAQ/errata right after sales #s confirm they've sold enough SM bikers.

Better not let the illuminati see you leaking their master plan, dude.

**Jidmah**

At my office, there are currently 5/60 people there. I'd be surprised if it's any different at GW.

**tneva82**

Ishagu wrote:
Nothing needs urgent fixing.

The missions in CA function well.

The GSC players who have to play with 50 pts basic guys in tournamnets disagree likely

**Dysartes**

I wonder if there are any Dakkaites at the Open Day who can ask pointed questions re FAQ delays...

**Wayniac**

NoiseMarine with Tinnitus wrote:
How did we get into a situation where it is expected that GW will issue erratas so soon after the release of a full price product?

Is it just a given they release broken shat that hasn't been proof read or do they now outsource the rules writing to their Chinese sweatshop printers as well?

basically. While they said there will be FAQs shortly after a book, the fact literally every single fething book has had glaring, easily spotted and sometimes game-breaking errors proves nothing is being proofread or checked for accuracy

**Ghaz**

From Facebook:

Why dont they just get it right 1st time instead of releasing a codex that id wrong?

Warhammer 40,000 wrote:A good question and one that is worth answering!

So, we have an internal rules team and around 20 playtesters. Lets say, they all play 3 games a week with a new Codex. That's around 40 games being played a week. So, perhaps 100-120 games get played in the playtest period. They catch LOADs of things that need tweaking, and discuss points values, how rules work together, the way they interact with various enemies etc.

Release day rolls round. We sell (picking a number out of the air) 50,000 copies of Codex: Orks. That means 50,000 games being played on day one. Maybe another 50,000 games being played day 2.

In 2 days, the community has played 100,000 games or more, against every possible enemy, and every possible scenario. They spot a few things our playtesters didn't (it's a vast and complex game after all!) and pass it on to us at 40kfaq@gwplc.com.

Our rules writers, eager to make sure everyone's gaming experience is as good as it can be, take those questions and produce these FAQ documents.

For our rules team and playtesters to get through 100,000 games, they would need to play 3 games a week for almost 5 years. We reckoned you guys didn't want to wait that long, you see!

**nareik**

Wayniac wrote:
NoiseMarine with Tinnitus wrote:
How did we get into a situation where it is expected that GW will issue erratas so soon after the release of a full price product?

Is it just a given they release broken shat that hasn't been proof read or do they now outsource the rules writing to their Chinese sweatshop printers as well?
basically. While they said there will be FAQs shortly after a book, the fact literally every single fething book has had glaring, easily spotted and sometimes game-breaking errors proves nothing is being proofread or checked for accuracy

in fairness we don't see the errors that did get caught.

**BaconCatBug**

Ghaz wrote:
From Facebook:

Why dont they just get it right 1st time instead of releasing a codex that id wrong?

Warhammer 40,000 wrote:A good question and one that is worth answering!

So, we have an internal rules team and around 20 playtesters. Lets say, they all play 3 games a week with a new Codex. That's around 40 games being played a week. So, perhaps 100-120 games get played in the playtest period. They catch LOADs of things that need tweaking, and discuss points values, how rules work together, the way they interact with various enemies etc.

Release day rolls round. We sell (picking a number out of the air) 50,000 copies of Codex: Orks. That means 50,000 games being played on day one. Maybe another 50,000 games being played day 2.

In 2 days, the community has played 100,000 games or more, against every possible enemy, and every possible scenario. They spot a few things our playtesters didn't (it's a vast and complex game after all!) and pass it on to us at 40kfaq@gwplc.com.

Our rules writers, eager to make sure everyone's gaming experience is as good as it can be, take those questions and produce these FAQ documents.

For our rules team and playtesters to get through 100,000 games, they would need to play 3 games a week for almost 5 years. We reckoned you guys didn't want to wait that long, you see!

So, crazy idea: Physical Codexes become collectors item with revision 1 of the rules. You get a voucher in the codex for a rules-only, printable PDF version of the rules. The rules only PDFs get updated two weeks after release and on the first of each even month with errata, FAQs and points adjustments. Congrats, you've now crowdsourced all your playtesting and editing and pretty much ended piracy via the Gabe Newel method.

**p5freak**

Ghaz wrote:
From Facebook:

Why dont they just get it right 1st time instead of releasing a codex that id wrong?

Warhammer 40,000 wrote:A good question and one that is worth answering!

So, we have an internal rules team and around 20 playtesters. Lets say, they all play 3 games a week with a new Codex. That's around 40 games being played a week. So, perhaps 100-120 games get played in the playtest period. They catch LOADs of things that need tweaking, and discuss points values, how rules work together, the way they interact with various enemies etc.

Release day rolls round. We sell (picking a number out of the air) 50,000 copies of Codex: Orks. That means 50,000 games being played on day one. Maybe another 50,000 games being played day 2.

In 2 days, the community has played 100,000 games or more, against every possible enemy, and every possible scenario. They spot a few things our playtesters didn't (it's a vast and complex game after all!) and pass it on to us at 40kfaq@gwplc.com.

Our rules writers, eager to make sure everyone's gaming experience is as good as it can be, take those questions and produce these FAQ documents.

For our rules team and playtesters to get through 100,000 games, they would need to play 3 games a week for almost 5 years. We reckoned you guys didn't want to wait that long, you see!

Not this nonsense again

If they play as many games as they claim, they played thousands of games already. Every veteran player can spot broken combos, or broken rules, pretty much after a few hours reading. A week before normal players get their hands on a new book you see new youtube videos about broken combos, broken rules from previewers.

**ERJAK**

p5freak wrote:
Ghaz wrote:
From Facebook:

Why dont they just get it right 1st time instead of releasing a codex that id wrong?

Warhammer 40,000 wrote:A good question and one that is worth answering!

So, we have an internal rules team and around 20 playtesters. Lets say, they all play 3 games a week with a new Codex. That's around 40 games being played a week. So, perhaps 100-120 games get played in the playtest period. They catch LOADs of things that need tweaking, and discuss points values, how rules work together, the way they interact with various enemies etc.

Release day rolls round. We sell (picking a number out of the air) 50,000 copies of Codex: Orks. That means 50,000 games being played on day one. Maybe another 50,000 games being played day 2.

In 2 days, the community has played 100,000 games or more, against every possible enemy, and every possible scenario. They spot a few things our playtesters didn't (it's a vast and complex game after all!) and pass it on to us at 40kfaq@gwplc.com.

Our rules writers, eager to make sure everyone's gaming experience is as good as it can be, take those questions and produce these FAQ documents.

For our rules team and playtesters to get through 100,000 games, they would need to play 3 games a week for almost 5 years. We reckoned you guys didn't want to wait that long, you see!

Not this nonsense again If they play as many games as they claim, they played thousands of games already. Every veteran player can spot broken combos, or broken rules, pretty much after a few hours reading. A week before normal players get their hands on a new book you see new youtube videos about broken combos, broken rules from previewers.

And a week after that you see that 25% of those broken combos don't actually work the way people thought they did, 60% of those 'broken' combos are either impractical or nowhere near as good as people thought they were, 5% of those 'broken' combos are actually very good but not so good that they can't be dealt with by competent players, and 10% actually are above the power curve. For those of you keeping score, that's players being 90% full of gak,

Outside of the Ironhands book(which admittedly was a huge faux pas on their part) The community has been just as full of crap about what's going to be 'broken' as GW is, just over rather than under.

I mean, there are still people on this very website that think PRIMARIS are why marines are good when it's basically only intercessors and eliminators that see significant use.

**Slayer-Fan123**

p5freak wrote:
Ghaz wrote:
From Facebook:

Why dont they just get it right 1st time instead of releasing a codex that id wrong?

Warhammer 40,000 wrote:A good question and one that is worth answering!

So, we have an internal rules team and around 20 playtesters. Lets say, they all play 3 games a week with a new Codex. That's around 40 games being played a week. So, perhaps 100-120 games get played in the playtest period. They catch LOADs of things that need tweaking, and discuss points values, how rules work together, the way they interact with various enemies etc.

Release day rolls round. We sell (picking a number out of the air) 50,000 copies of Codex: Orks. That means 50,000 games being played on day one. Maybe another 50,000 games being played day 2.

In 2 days, the community has played 100,000 games or more, against every possible enemy, and every possible scenario. They spot a few things our playtesters didn't (it's a vast and complex game after all!) and pass it on to us at 40kfaq@gwplc.com.

Our rules writers, eager to make sure everyone's gaming experience is as good as it can be, take those questions and produce these FAQ documents.

For our rules team and playtesters to get through 100,000 games, they would need to play 3 games a week for almost 5 years. We reckoned you guys didn't want to wait that long, you see!

Not this nonsense again If they play as many games as they claim, they played thousands of games already. Every veteran player can spot broken combos, or broken rules, pretty much after a few hours reading. A week before normal players get their hands on a new book you see new youtube videos about broken combos, broken rules from previewers.

Exactly. People theory craft from just rumors alone. It's a bunch of crap they even do three games a week.

**Wayniac**

Even if they did do as many games as they say, how fething terrible are they that things slip by that get found almost instantly when things are released, if not from content creators reviews or even rumors. I mean we aren't talking about in-depth things that require a bunch of things together to work that most people are going to miss; that would be understandable to miss. But we're talking about things that even the most casual person can look at the book and say "yeah that's REALLY good, better than the rest" immediately.

There's no excuse for THAT level of missing things.

**tneva82**

Ghaz wrote:
From Facebook:

Poor excuse when the books are filled with errors you can literally spot with first reading. You know how easy it would be for to negate need for majority of FAQ questions? It's real simple.

Before locking rule texts have one person who plays the game and hasn't been involved with read them through once.

That's it. Assuming every suitable candinate inside GW isn't mentally more stupid than about 99% of GW's customer that will catch up most of the issues. But either they have such a bunch of idiot filled company(which I find doubtful) or they don't bother to do that. Which isn't surprising seeing they don't have professional level people doing this so likely hasn't even come up in their brain to do it so instead you have rule writer double checking for mistakes. Which is not the way to do it.

**Karhedron**

Dysartes wrote:
Ishagu wrote:
Nothing needs urgent fixing.

The content in CA2019 may not need fixing - I don't know, I haven't bought it yet - but I believe there are multiple issues with the MFM that accompanies CA2019 that do. DW biker numbers, for example.

Agreed. The entire Space Wolf FA sections is wrong too as they have reverted to codex values which makes SW stuff more expensive than pretty much all the codex equivalents.

**Dakka Wolf**

Karhedron wrote:
Dysartes wrote:
Ishagu wrote:
Nothing needs urgent fixing.

The content in CA2019 may not need fixing - I don't know, I haven't bought it yet - but I believe there are multiple issues with the MFM that accompanies CA2019 that do. DW biker numbers, for example.

Agreed. The entire Space Wolf FA sections is wrong too as they have reverted to codex values which makes SW stuff more expensive than pretty much all the codex equivalents.

Considering their codex was out of date before it even dropped I could be generous and believe their proof reader is busy playtesting...but somehow that just doesn't fly.