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 .Mikes. wrote:
OK, so it's been confirmed on the official forums that at release Code One will only supoprt vanilla Yu Jing, PanO, O-12 and Combined.

Let the flaming begin.....

excuse the noob question, but I didn't look at infinity for 2 or 3 years, what's the O12 Faction? Is it Aleph related?

O-12 is the Space UN of infinity that keeps the peace (to the extent that they can) between the Nations/factions to a certain extent (they've got and FBI like police force that can go anywhere, their own army to enforce judgment from their courts and several other things). Aleph is under O-12 fluff wise but is a separate faction in the mini game.

Sad my Nomads won't be available at launch, though it really does point to Code One being very focused on Operation armies. Almost like they're trying to make a board game out of them.

 .Mikes. wrote:
OK, so it's been confirmed on the official forums that at release Code One will only supoprt vanilla Yu Jing, PanO, O-12 and Combined.

Hey, they've got to start somewhere, and is not like they're saying the other factions aren't being done ever.

Just not "first."

The official forums confirmed the 4 starting factions to be supported are going to be PanO, Yu Jing, CA and O-12 more to come as new starters get added to Infinity One line.

Essentially, Belen , the marketing director leaked the info in a spanish chat on Telegram.

Impressive communication skills.
This company is full of amateurs.

 BobbaFett wrote:

This company is full of amateurs.

*laughs in American*

 BobbaFett wrote:
Essentially, Belen , the marketing director leaked the info in a spanish chat on Telegram.

Impressive communication skills.
This company is full of amateurs.

At least they're not freaking out over it like the JSA change from a few years ago where they paid to have all this advertisements in a trade magazine they didn't realize released weeks before their planned announcement and then tried to get mods of different forums and groups to delete posts and threaten to ban people that posted about it.

Tbf, CB is run by a handful of old friends who made historical 15mm minis for their own amusement and then cast up some scifi 28mm stuff for an RPG they were running.

I think they're allowed to a little bit amateur. I think it's kind of charming.

They haven't been that kind of company for a good 10ish years. They're long past any kind of instance where they are "allowed to be a little bit amateur", especially in light of them constantly choosing to keep their company purposely small to avoid paying higher taxes.

Code One is something new, whereas the JSA debacle was just a((n) unwelcomed) change to N3.

April release, have they been mentioned?

- Operación:Kåldstrøm
- Dire Foes Mission Pack Alpha: Retaliation
- ITS Season 11 Event Tournament Pack

No idea about this new Dire Foes. Last one was a Pan-O v. Nomads ((DataCash) I'd like to think this one would be in support of Operación:Kåldstrøm and include Pan-O v. Yu Jing.

Professional - GW. A well-executed machine designed to milk as much profit from their product as possible and screw all other outcomes.

Amateur - doing something for the love and trying to produce the best product because it's your passion.

Yah, I'll take amateur. Especially considering 'amateur' has resulted in one of the biggest success stories and most fun games in wargaming by the size of the copmany making it.

Not much really, but a small explanation on how N4 will be shaped to be.

So, for N4 in terms of Nested Rules - not necessarily going away - but each miniature/profile will have the skills from each rule listed on their profile.

So...just because you have "TO Camo" (N3 understanding of the rule), you might not benefit from all of the...benefits of the overall rule in N4 - or you might. Check yo profile!

We'll see how it plays out once it is released, but it doesn't sound as if they'll be as much streamlining as there should have been?

Possibly they are looking for CODE 1 to do that for people?

According to the video there is no trooper with "TO camouflage" in N4, but a trooper with "camouflage, hidden deployment, Mimetism -6, Surprise Attack -3, Stealth"

Also according to the video, more "free-form" combinations can exist such as a trooper with hidden deployment and no other skills, this opens a big creative space for more tailored units, for example a unit with Camouflage, but no Mimetism.

Yes?

Maybe there will still be 'nested rules' but...only in 'spirit', as everything will be listed individually, on the unit's profile.

Can't wait to see what some of the more...involved...profiles end up looking like!

I think I like that.

 Alpharius wrote:
So, for N4 in terms of Nested Rules - not necessarily going away - but each miniature/profile will have the skills from each rule listed on their profile.

So...just because you have "TO Camo" (N3 understanding of the rule), you might not benefit from all of the...benefits of the overall rule in N4 - or you might. Check yo profile!

We'll see how it plays out once it is released, but it doesn't sound as if they'll be as much streamlining as there should have been?

Possibly they are looking for CODE 1 to do that for people?

I think nested rules are going away. Everything will be listed in the profile.

Yes, that's my understanding too.

It'll still probably be blocks to text in the rules, but it will also be clearly (!) spelled out on each unit's profile.

A good change, nested/leveled rules are useful in programming, not so useful for the tabletop.

 Alpharius wrote:
Yes, that's my understanding too.

It'll still probably be blocks to text in the rules, but it will also be clearly (!) spelled out on each unit's profile.

I imagine each ability will come with a paragraph of text but at least you will not have to look up one rule, be shunted over to another rule, and then to another rule to find out what you needed to know. Now you can go directly to the source!

Yesssss!

Nested skills have been subjected to mighty criticisms for a while now, over yonder in the Official Forums. I wonder if CB had already planned to do this, or if they heeded the fanatic peat's complaints. Either way, it's a welcomed move.

 Red Harvest wrote:
Nested skills have been subjected to mighty criticisms for a while now, over yonder in the Official Forums.

As has literally everything in creation. If CB are listening to the shrillest voices there I dread to think was N4 will look like.

I don't know if splitting nested into individual skills that you combine (with individual values) will make the game easier for newbies, but it does open up stat designs, so fewer models will end up being "X but worse" or "Y but better" based on just one skill (like TO or Camo inclusion).

Cronch wrote:
I don't know if splitting nested into individual skills that you combine (with individual values) will make the game easier for newbies, but it does open up stat designs, so fewer models will end up being "X but worse" or "Y but better" based on just one skill (like TO or Camo inclusion).

While I realise that some models will end up with long lists of abilities that could be intimidating to new players, I think that it will prove easier for them on the whole because they will not need to remember lists of "hidden" abilities, and instead can just look at the model profile and see everything they need to know right there.

 .Mikes. wrote:

 Red Harvest wrote:
Nested skills have been subjected to mighty criticisms for a while now, over yonder in the Official Forums.

As has literally everything in creation. If CB are listening to the shrillest voices there I dread to think was N4 will look like.

Do note that I said criticism, not complaint, or whining or puling or... There has been some reasoned discussion about what ought to be done for N4. Amazing but true. The signal to noise ratio has been very acceptable.

 Soul Samurai wrote:

Cronch wrote:
I don't know if splitting nested into individual skills that you combine (with individual values) will make the game easier for newbies, but it does open up stat designs, so fewer models will end up being "X but worse" or "Y but better" based on just one skill (like TO or Camo inclusion).

While I realise that some models will end up with long lists of abilities that could be intimidating to new players, I think that it will prove easier for them on the whole because they will not need to remember lists of "hidden" abilities, and instead can just look at the model profile and see everything they need to know right there.

Yes, I think that is definitely the intent here - now, to wait on the execution (heh!) of said intent!

I can already say this causal likes the change as my biggest complaint was always having to look through so many pages just to find everything one skill did.

I know the original argument for nested was "fluff" but there gets a point when you have so many similar skills with slightly different names that it bogs things down. Having the +/- in the profile is also amazing too. This alone would probably cut 30+ min of play time off the games my group use to play (as we don't did so once every 4-6 weeks) as our games always went for 3-4 hours at 300pts.

I think we will see cards for each unit detailing the skills, weapons, and stats.