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Yeah, they had a “mysterious race of even bigger giants” already in the ‘ancient’ fluff - it would have been awesome to see the Sky Titans return in some form; they could have been antagonists of the Kharadrons who are forever raiding their herds of sky-beasts, for example.
Almost no-one has intelligent giants with guns as a faction.

 Galas wrote:
I was excited for Sons of Behemat because I was expecting plate-clad giant-warriors more similar to warcraft's Vrykul or even with some greek or ancient aesthetics, as others have said, more similar to Sky Titans. It would have been cool to have some civilization, and giant nonetheless in destruction.

But we have just bigger drunken giants. They are cool miniatures but... as Irbis and many others said, is just more of the same. With a price as big as them.

Definitely just more of the same. Jump up and down, smash with club, pick up and hurl, pick up and stuff (in bag). I think they missed out on 'yell and bawl.' I'd love the call back if it wasn't the sum total of the rules beyond 'be $200 bullet sponge'

 Mr_Rose wrote:
Yeah, they had a “mysterious race of even bigger giants” already in the ‘ancient’ fluff - it would have been awesome to see the Sky Titans return in some form; they could have been antagonists of the Kharadrons who are forever raiding their herds of sky-beasts, for example.
Almost no-one has intelligent giants with guns as a faction.

Are Sky-Titans even in AoS? Because I don't remember reading anything about them in AoS at the moment.

The pricing on the new giants is STUPID. If nothing else, the massive price hike from the last time they did two-packs is absurd.

I'm building this army, but it's going to be with a Mantic giant or two plus assorted D&D and Reaper giants.

 TheWaspinator wrote:
The pricing on the new giants is STUPID. If nothing else, the massive price hike from the last time they did two-packs is absurd.

I'm building this army, but it's going to be with a Mantic giant or two plus assorted D&D and Reaper giants.

Good call.

I guess for people that bought the bonegrinder FW giant, they're in luck.

Wait, that's a first. The bonegrinder is the same size (a bit bigger, right?) than the mega gargant. But its also cheaper, since its $175 USD. Who would have thought FW is the cheaper option?

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Mr_Rose wrote:
Yeah, they had a “mysterious race of even bigger giants” already in the ‘ancient’ fluff - it would have been awesome to see the Sky Titans return in some form; they could have been antagonists of the Kharadrons who are forever raiding their herds of sky-beasts, for example.
Almost no-one has intelligent giants with guns as a faction.

Are Sky-Titans even in AoS? Because I don't remember reading anything about them in AoS at the moment.

They could have been if GW wanted them to be. That's pretty much how it works.

Would also have loved to see the Sky Titans, far more so than what are really just bigger regular giants. I feel the old giants wouldn't have looked as out of place next to a new aesthetic either if they were clearly meant to be different things (so enslaved, broken creatures now perhaps escaped, alongside Sky Titans of old), rather than what are essentially the same figures with one of them just in what seems to be a different scale.

Are Mancrusher Gargants battleline for Sons of Behemat? The photo with the points doesn't show that bit

Would have loved to grab one even just to paint up and sit on a book shelf but damn , for that price I can grab all of the lord of the rings bits I’m after and still have a whole lot of cash spare.

 Rolsheen wrote:
Are Mancrusher Gargants battleline for Sons of Behemat? The photo with the points doesn't show that bit

yes they're, you can field them in units of 1-3. And you even get a horde discount if you take 3, with the added bonus that a unit of 3 counts as 3 battleline (its in the GHB 2020 matched play profile book)

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Mr_Rose wrote:
Yeah, they had a “mysterious race of even bigger giants” already in the ‘ancient’ fluff - it would have been awesome to see the Sky Titans return in some form; they could have been antagonists of the Kharadrons who are forever raiding their herds of sky-beasts, for example.
Almost no-one has intelligent giants with guns as a faction.

Are Sky-Titans even in AoS? Because I don't remember reading anything about them in AoS at the moment.

Yes, the Ogor book mentions them, as does the lore for sons of behemat I think? They lived on the Funny Croissant in Ghyran, and ogors picked up the remnants of their weapons to turn into ironblaster cannons.

 rosafari wrote:
I hate to be that guy (like what you like, spend what you can spare etc) but...

The Mantic giant is 18cm and £24.99

https://blog.untilsomebodylosesaneye.net/2018/10/thats-big-one.html?m=1

Many of the Reaper Giants (Bones 2 onwards) are similarly huge (15cm+) and can be found for £15ish - Mumlak for example.

It seems even the Heresy giant Mucklegeet is cheaper - and is a lovely sculpt from a friendly one man company.

https://heresyminiatures.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1_109&products_id=389

(And obviously second hand action figures cost buttons and conversion is heaps of fun)

As you were

Heck. 12" wrestling action figure + green stuff and bits.

https://www.amazon.com/WWE-Kurt-Angle-Action-Figure/dp/B07FDKQMHW/ref=sr_1_22

I'm still pretty shocked at the cost of the giants. This really seems like a nutty pricy escalation.

Dominus class Knights are $170 and only build a single variant.

Can't say I'm super shocked that the Mega-Gargants are $195 when they build all the variants.

I can only second the recommendation for the Conquest Jotnar. Also look at that awesome conversion made from this kit by Jason Mcfarland:

 xKillGorex wrote:
Would have loved to grab one even just to paint up and sit on a book shelf but damn , for that price I can grab all of the lord of the rings bits I’m after and still have a whole lot of cash spare.

Same here sadly. I've been asking myself; ''Should I pay 150e on a single model I would only be getting to paint as I don't atm play Sigmar? Or shall I spend 150e and buy loads of blisters and boxes for LOTR, a game I am currently both playing and painting??''

And I'm upset at the price 'coz I loved these guys since their first reveal.

I was expecting a high price point on these, possibly in the $150-170 range, but at almost $200 per mega-gargant I'm out.

I really don't say that often, but the small lore bits on "Fierce Loathing" table are peak cringe.

Cronch wrote:
I really don't say that often, but the small lore bits on "Fierce Loathing" table are peak cringe.

What, you don't hate people wearing pants?

 Kanluwen wrote:
Can't say I'm super shocked that the Mega-Gargants are $195 when they build all the variants.

What "variants"? They have zero variants, that's the problem. 3 different heads and some decoration bits. That's all. Hell, if you look at entries of these "variants" you will see identical loadouts, just with slightly different mechanic of establishing 5-10 attacks of BIG STICK. Much wow.

Old giant kit at least builds the half-beast giant with horns and hooves, new one doesn't do anything like that, which is pretty sad.

Honestly even looking at the pictures on the community site... They just don't look that good on the table. They just look out of scale and out of place.

With that price they'll probably sell about ten...

Ah ain't it lovely. Internet hyperbole

Haven't posted here in 10 years. Wow!

I think it is a bit premature to suppose that what we've gotten comprehensively sets the tone for the entire faction. Thus far it has only 2 kits. Units derived from each kit are, rules wise, designed to be optionally included in other armies. Considering these factors, I don't think that GW fully intends to stop here with the Sons of Behemat, but rather this is just a starting point. Much as it has been for many of the new factions in AoS. Some have definitely gotten loads of new models, as they were meant to replace previously existing factions from WHF, for which the models are fabulously old. However, this is an entirely new faction, not before seen in WHF or AoS, so they are totally starting from scratch as far as aesthetics, art direction and cultural exploration goes.

Indeed, from what I can derive from the lore, these Mega-gargants (okay, the name is sort of silly, but what isn't these days?) are less degenerate than their Mancrusher and Aleguzzler siblings. It even shows in the models. Their faces have more symmetry and they have hair. Their proportions are less gangly and better muscled. It clearly shows some genetic recovery (it seems implied they reproduce through some form of budding, or parthenogenesis....I'm overthinking it). I would hope these indicators, combined with the fact that Sky-Titans/intelligent and encultured Giants...ahem sorry...Gargants existed in the past, that they are on their way to having them again.

I'd hope the next model they release in a couple years is a dual Sky-Titan cannon wielder and Wizard/Shaman model, followed by some truly gigantic warmachine (Magic Flying Tower?). Storywise, it would be nice to see a clear progression of them back to their former glory and size.

All this being said....the prices are sort of unreasonable.

 Irbis wrote:

Cronch wrote:
I really don't say that often, but the small lore bits on "Fierce Loathing" table are peak cringe.

What, you don't hate people wearing pants?

 Kanluwen wrote:
Can't say I'm super shocked that the Mega-Gargants are $195 when they build all the variants.

What "variants"? They have zero variants, that's the problem. 3 different heads and some decoration bits. That's all. Hell, if you look at entries of these "variants" you will see identical loadouts, just with slightly different mechanic of establishing 5-10 attacks of BIG STICK. Much wow.

Old giant kit at least builds the half-beast giant with horns and hooves, new one doesn't do anything like that, which is pretty sad.

The arms seem to add visual variety.

 Gallahad wrote:
Honestly even looking at the pictures on the community site... They just don't look that good on the table. They just look out of scale and out of place.

Yeah, that's nonsense. The new giant's sculpting style meshes with the AoS aesthetic that's been there since the game was launched, it has a number of human sized bits (even a complete human) to give a sense of scale and tie it in with all the human sized models running around the board that define the game's scale, and it appears to me that the sculptor specifically altered its anatomy in such a way as to avoid the impression that it's just a wrongly scaled human.

A lot of effort has been put into making it mesh. But feel free to explain how else GW could have gone about it.

 Gallahad wrote:
With that price they'll probably sell about ten...

I suspect it will sell a lot more than that and as a consequence GW will feel vindicated and continue to put stupid prices on models new and old.

 Gallahad wrote:
With that price they'll probably sell about ten...

Well I'm getting two, so only eight more to sell worldwide
and three boxes of Mancrushers

They will sell like hot cakes, like almost everything GW releases, especially the Big Toys, because seemingly GW fans would rather play 1:10 wargame than 28mm.

 Geifer wrote:

 Gallahad wrote:
With that price they'll probably sell about ten...

I suspect it will sell a lot more than that and as a consequence GW will feel vindicated and continue to put stupid prices on models new and old.

Seeing there's guy planning to buy 9 it's pretty safe to say more than 10 ;-)

People just have habit of thinking "I don't like it, thus nobody in the world can like it"


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Cronch wrote:
They will sell like hot cakes, like almost everything GW releases, especially the Big Toys, because seemingly GW fans would rather play 1:10 wargame than 28mm.

1:10/28mm, it's scale. Not size of miniature. If you want to represent 50m tall model in 28mm scale model you need to make it "bit" bigger than 4-5cm tall(would actually need 77cm tall model But it would still be 28mm scale)

My only issue with GW making bigger and bigger models is the practicalities of transporting them. One bonus of focusing on infantry and having rare vehicles and the like is that you can pack an army very easily into a case - heck the old one-cast metals were really easy so long as they didn't have spears/pikes

But today we've a lot of infantry with a lot of flare to the design; which look fantastic, but take up a lot of room to pack.

Lots of big toys look utterly amazing, but at the same time you're left scratching your head how to get them into the box to get to the game store.

True that. Though magnets have sorted issue for me as long as I don't want to carry like 4000+ pts with me

tneva82 wrote:
True that. Though magnets have sorted issue for me as long as I don't want to carry like 4000+ pts with me

Magnets are fast becoming the only practical way for a lot of armies; at least for general home-to-shop transport. Air travel might be different, but then chances are you've got a bit more luggage space and can afford to take bigger cases chock full of foam. Still its a rising issue that bigger models, esp at the infantry to elite stage, start to really make it harder to carry more models.