Age of Sigmar N & R: AoS v3 and Dominion p.172.

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**Tiberius501**

He is gonna be SO MANY POINTS! Reckon he’ll actually be able to fit into lists?

**GaroRobe**

Who wins? Gotrek or Kraggy?

If GW doesn't have a book where Gotrek decides to try and kill him, then what was the point?

Also, the new rumor engine pic is dead on to the totem at his base. Not that its a surprise, but the new greenskins are big Kragnos fans.

**beast_gts**

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**Kanluwen**

Someone else can run a thread for it, I'm not feeling it.

**Tiberius501**

Kanluwen wrote:
Someone else can run a thread for it, I'm not feeling it.

Oh how come man? Not into this stuff? Or having a bad time atm?

**Cataphract**

Rihgu wrote:
Is DRAKE a new keyword? I don't know any models with it and none of the models that seem like they'd have it have it.

I believe it is. Drakespawn, Drakeseers and such do not have it. Might be a new introduction with the latest Stormcast release as the other keywords are Stormcast.

**Kanluwen**

Tiberius501 wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:
Someone else can run a thread for it, I'm not feeling it.

Oh how come man? Not into this stuff? Or having a bad time atm?

The 6pm BST means I don't get to just wake up and make a fancy breakfast while watching+updating. Nothing big!

Oh yeah, and here ya go folks:

**Voss**

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Well, he’s a nasty sod and no mistake.

Archaon Pancakes, anyone?

Nothing says fun like a model that can accidentally kill a monster by charging near it, and then obliterating another unit with overpowered attacks. Very fun.
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Glad to see the AoS box will be the best one yet. I wasn't sure they were going to trot out that cliche again, and was worried about missing out.

I am eager to see what's in it, though. Jokes about their standardized marketing tropes aside.

**godswildcard**

Wow. Kragnos is really a monster!

I wonder if the 18 wounds is how they felt they 'balanced' him.

Or maybe he's stupid expensive. What are some other models that get up there in points? Has anything broken 600?

**tneva82**

Archaon, teclis, nagash. Maybe alarielle. Maybe others but tecli# 660, archaon 800 and nagash has 2 costs(depends on book) with other over 900

Morathi clocks over 600 as well.

**Ghaz**

godswildcard wrote:
Wow. Kragnos is really a monster!

I wonder if the 18 wounds is how they felt they 'balanced' him.

Or maybe he's stupid expensive. What are some other models that get up there in points? Has anything broken 600?

Archaon is 800 points in the Slaves to Darkness battletome, Teclis is 660 poinnts in the Lumineth Realm-lords battletome and Nagash is 975 points in the Soulblight Gravelords battletome. Greater Daemons come in between 300 to 400 points.

**WholeHazelNuts**

Has anyone else started putting together their Deathrattle Skeletons - mine are really brittle. I'm no ham-fisted ogre type, but I've had several legs snap off whilst clipping them off and a couple of the swords snap mid-point, not near any point where they meet the sprue.

Been buying GW stuff since the 80s, so pretty experienced, but these are really really brittle compared to almost everything I've had from them

**OrlandotheTechnicoloured**

Somebody else posted the same thing here (or one of the other N&R threads) and there have been more online elsewhere

so either it's a bad design (possible as these are skeleton legs) or perhaps their normal plastic supplier was out of stock and they've bought some from another supplier that just isn't great quality (too much recycled material in it?),

I've had issues with scale model kits from Miniart which were really fragile and that was down to them being unable to get their normal plastic when Ukraine and Russia first started to have troubles

be sure to complain direct to GW (they may well offer replacements, and will hopefully address the sculpting/materials issue for the future)

**CMLR**

Wonder if this means that someday Sigmar himself will get his own model...

**Overread**

CMLR wrote:
Wonder if this means that someday Sigmar himself will get his own model...

Depends, GW have been quite clear in the lore thus far that Sigmar is being more a leader than a fighter at present.

**GaroRobe**

CMLR wrote:
Wonder if this means that someday Sigmar himself will get his own model...

I mean, no reason why he shouldn't (though someone is currently using his hammer.)

We already have so many gods in model form:

*Morathi khaine
*Nagash
*Alarielle
*Kragnos
*Teclis
*Eventually Tyrion and Malerion
*Gotrek...?

Of those, Nagash is probably the best example. He's so powerful in lore. Like, trapping a city in a pocket dimension because he was mad at them. No reason Sigmar wouldn't be allowed in. Hopefully we got Grugni too, but he's kind of crippled, so it makes sense he isn't in a fighting mood.

**Overread**

That said a few of those gods, Nagash for one, are often said to be more avatars on the table rather than their full forms. Meanwhile until recently Morathi was only a demigod not a full god.

Sigmar gave his hammer to another to fight with, he's very much removed himself from the battlefields for now.

That said I honestly wish GW would do a 6-15mm scale version of AoS so the gods could feel properly godly.

**Sabotage!**

Voss wrote:
Sabotage! wrote:
Thargrim wrote:
Really hope those are hobgoblins and not just orc or goblins in different gear. Really though i'm getting tired of greenskins, I think we have enough varieties of them as it is. Re envisioned Fimir would have been so much more interesting, now i'm back to the mindset that I won't be starting an AoS army...since the vamps were so underwhelming.

Yeah......I'm with you on this one. Hobgoblins wouldn't be too bad, but more orcs and goblins? I think there are already enough varieties of them.

Where are they hiding them, then?
There are currently:
Night goblins (with a few token forest goblins hanging out on what are now effectively night goblin spiders)

Black orcs

Savage orcs

... that's it. All the other varieties (including the 'normal' ones) have been banished from reality.

Gloomspite, Ironjawz, Bonesplittaz. Three factions of orcs and goblins are enough. This game has a really opportunity to do cool unique stuff, and it would be a shame if Greenskins ended up like elves with 100 factions, instead of doing something different.

**tneva82**

It's just matter when miniature designers sculpt. Fluff and rules will be made to fit model being on sale

**CMLR**

Sabotage! wrote:
Voss wrote:
Sabotage! wrote:
Thargrim wrote:
Really hope those are hobgoblins and not just orc or goblins in different gear. Really though i'm getting tired of greenskins, I think we have enough varieties of them as it is. Re envisioned Fimir would have been so much more interesting, now i'm back to the mindset that I won't be starting an AoS army...since the vamps were so underwhelming.

Yeah......I'm with you on this one. Hobgoblins wouldn't be too bad, but more orcs and goblins? I think there are already enough varieties of them.

Where are they hiding them, then?
There are currently:
Night goblins (with a few token forest goblins hanging out on what are now effectively night goblin spiders)

Black orcs

Savage orcs

... that's it. All the other varieties (including the 'normal' ones) have been banished from reality.

Gloomspite, Ironjawz, Bonesplittaz. Three factions of orcs and goblins are enough. This game has a really opportunity to do cool unique stuff, and it would be a shame if Greenskins ended up like elves with 100 factions, instead of doing something different.

Not enough compared to The Old World: Orcs, Black orcs, Savage orcs, Goblins, Moonclan goblins, Spider Goblins, that's already twice the orcs, not including that they allied with trolls, giants, and they had actual ranged infantry and siege weapons.

**Kanluwen**

Orcs and Black Orcs were effectively a single 'faction' though. Night Goblins and Forest Goblins were their own subfactions, while Goblins effectively slotted into Orcs+Black Orcs.

**Sabotage!**

CMLR wrote:
Sabotage! wrote:
Voss wrote:
Sabotage! wrote:
Thargrim wrote:
Really hope those are hobgoblins and not just orc or goblins in different gear. Really though i'm getting tired of greenskins, I think we have enough varieties of them as it is. Re envisioned Fimir would have been so much more interesting, now i'm back to the mindset that I won't be starting an AoS army...since the vamps were so underwhelming.

Yeah......I'm with you on this one. Hobgoblins wouldn't be too bad, but more orcs and goblins? I think there are already enough varieties of them.

Where are they hiding them, then?
There are currently:
Night goblins (with a few token forest goblins hanging out on what are now effectively night goblin spiders)

Black orcs

Savage orcs

... that's it. All the other varieties (including the 'normal' ones) have been banished from reality.

Gloomspite, Ironjawz, Bonesplittaz. Three factions of orcs and goblins are enough. This game has a really opportunity to do cool unique stuff, and it would be a shame if Greenskins ended up like elves with 100 factions, instead of doing something different.

Not enough compared to The Old World: Orcs, Black orcs, Savage orcs, Goblins, Moonclan goblins, Spider Goblins, that's already twice the orcs, not including that they allied with trolls, giants, and they had actual ranged infantry and siege weapons.

Yes, but that was all one faction. One army book. So it made sense to add a single unit of Spider Goblins to the faction. If you got and make all of those subfactions into individual factions, you will need a ton of kits to flesh them all out. I for one would much rather see something different than another variety of orcs, goblins, elves, etc. Especially for destruction who's domain encompasses "Ogres, Goblins, Orcs......" and that's about it.

**Llamahead**

I'd rather see less sub factions and one full army. You need the vanilla orcs and goblins to make the specialists seem special.

**CMLR**

Yet, orcs had boyz, black orc, arrer boys, boar boys, 'ard boys, chariots, bosses with mounts, wyverns, savage orcs with giant stabbas and boars, and goblins also had wolf mounts and chariots, archers, spiders, squigs, kamikaze trebuchets.

They felt a lot more like a well roounded civilization, today they are just orcs, mounted orcs, and some shamans and bosses.

**GaroRobe**

It does bug me that they scrapped the vanilla orcs and goblins. I feel like there would be normal orc tribes that aren't beefed up like Ironjawz or just savage like savage orcs. I guess you could say that the "normal" orcs are the 'ard boyz, but still.

Same with goblins, though at least now we have wolf riders from Underworlds that aren't just night goblin/forest goblin but on a wolf.

**Danny76**

I would definitely rather it’d been a new race rather than more Orcs.
As mentioned, Orcs, goblins and Ogres isn’t a lot of race variance. (Well and giants).
Though when done well repeating can be awesome.
We’d all take the Sky goblins I’m sure.

**NinthMusketeer**

GaroRobe wrote:
It does bug me that they scrapped the vanilla orcs and goblins. I feel like there would be normal orc tribes that aren't beefed up like Ironjawz or just savage like savage orcs. I guess you could say that the "normal" orcs are the 'ard boyz, but still.

Same with goblins, though at least now we have wolf riders from Underworlds that aren't just night goblin/forest goblin but on a wolf.

I agree; without the normal guys, there's nothing for the specialists to stand out from.

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Ghaz wrote:
godswildcard wrote:
Wow. Kragnos is really a monster!

I wonder if the 18 wounds is how they felt they 'balanced' him.

Or maybe he's stupid expensive. What are some other models that get up there in points? Has anything broken 600?

Archaon is 800 points in the Slaves to Darkness battletome, Teclis is 660 poinnts in the Lumineth Realm-lords battletome and Nagash is 975 points in the Soulblight Gravelords battletome. Greater Daemons come in between 300 to 400 points.

Balance him? Just mortal wound him to death. Zombies are a great counter to the God of Earthquakes and it makes me sad that isn't sarcastic.

**Ghaz**

US prices from my FLGS

**decker_cky**

CMLR wrote:
Yet, orcs had boyz, black orc, arrer boys, boar boys, 'ard boys, chariots, bosses with mounts, wyverns, savage orcs with giant stabbas and boars, and goblins also had wolf mounts and chariots, archers, spiders, squigs, kamikaze trebuchets.

They felt a lot more like a well roounded civilization, today they are just orcs, mounted orcs, and some shamans and bosses.

I'm not surprised at the older normal orc kits being retired, but it would have been so easy to repurpose some kits to make a relatively modern all mounted orc army (orc outriders or something).

Boar boys, gorbad, azhag and the chariot would have made an excellent base for an army. Use the excellent gorbad and azhag models as generic boar/wyvern riders. Chariot is the only old model in that group (and really could be left out to be honest).

**Prometheum5**

Ghaz wrote:
US prices from my FLGS

Yikes.