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**Ketara**

A.T. wrote:
zedmeister wrote:
They did go Sold Out last week and were visible for a few days until they were removed on Friday.
Not wasting any time with it are they.
I searched around and spotted a list that was being kept of the purge. 86 items as of today, not including scenery/tiles. Mostly vehicle upgrades and shoulderpads - oldmarine/heresy scale stuff, excluding it seems the GK landraider as they aren't yet primarised. And i'd guess the rest is just poor sellers.

Could I get a link to that?

**A.T.**

Ketara wrote:
Could I get a link to that?

Sure, i'll PM you as i'm not sure on this sites policies on linking to other boards.

**zedmeister**

Ketara wrote:
A.T. wrote:
zedmeister wrote:
They did go Sold Out last week and were visible for a few days until they were removed on Friday.
Not wasting any time with it are they.
I searched around and spotted a list that was being kept of the purge. 86 items as of today, not including scenery/tiles. Mostly vehicle upgrades and shoulderpads - oldmarine/heresy scale stuff, excluding it seems the GK landraider as they aren't yet primarised. And i'd guess the rest is just poor sellers.

Could I get a link to that?

Joe on B&C has compiled a full list here:

Spoiler:

**beast_gts**

Iron Hands Land Raider Doors

Well poop - I've got three of those sat in my basket (and they're now marked "No Longer Available").

**Tim the Biovore**

Wolf Rats went LCTB back in December 2019, so they've either had trouble shifting the last of the stock in most parts of the world, or they just haven't removed them from the site for eight months.

Disappointed to see more Solar Auxilia stuff disappear. I know it was a pet project from someone who no longer works there, and the guy who took over from him also left, but it's definitely some of the best Horus Heresy sculpts they made. Might have to bite the bullet of the Australian rate if the infantry even come back.

**Nicky J**

Tim the Biovore wrote:
Disappointed to see more Solar Auxilia stuff disappear. I know it was a pet project from someone who no longer works there, and the guy who took over from him also left, but it's definitely some of the best Horus Heresy sculpts they made.

This. I was thinking about getting another Aurox on payday this month, but nope, it’s gone for good now! a little bit of heads up would’ve been nice!

Such a shame, they really are the nicest looking range they do imo, but evidently don’t sell that well...

Might have to pivot to a leman russ incinerator on payday instead, just in case that disappears soon as well...

**Kid_Kyoto**

I wonder if this isn't a casualty of 3D printing?

Resin may be good for big models but for bits or small figures that would would want in bulk 3d prints are going to be as good and print fairly fast.

FW may go to a model of print once and forget. Because they know within a few months there will be STLs of anything they make.

Chinese book publishers had a policy of no second prints since once a book was out it was pirated...

**Fictional**

Kid_Kyoto wrote:
I wonder if this isn't a casualty of 3D printing?

Most if it is probably a casualty of 40K 9th edition, all those "dropped" models wont be in the updated FW rules books.

**SirDonlad**

I can't speak to the other items in the list but i got hold of a primus redoubt last year and had a discussion with FW about the lack of quality in the main tile (sagging roof, air holes, curves where there should be straight edges, etc) and they said that what i received was the best you were going to get.

When i was pushing them on whether another tile was going to be any better they let on that when they do a mold for the tiles they produce tiles until the mold breaks or the quality of the final tile is not good enough.
They told me that they had a pile of them left last year and after they sold them they would re-assess if they need to make a new mold or not.

Was really disappointed to hear that because the fluff says they are literally all over the place on recently compliant worlds.
And with a tile as sub-standard as this while claiming it to be solid gold, i don't think anyone was going to buy multiples; i was planning to, but the lack of quality control made me start work on an STL for the bunker annex instead.

**Ketara**

Looks like I swiped the last two Crashed Thunderhawk Realm of Battle boards.

**SirDonlad**

Nice!
If i had monies right now i'd be swiping up any end of line models tbh, count me glad that another dakkanaught got to them rather than scalpers.

**a fat guy**

So glad I picked up the castellum and emplacement now... seems like they only want one set of shoulder pads per legion too.

Kinda makes you a bit disillusioned with Forgeworld though, whats the point in buying from them at all if the models won't be usable in games after the current edition?

I want a terror assault list for 30K, but what sane person would start an army for me to play against at this rate...

It does "freeze" the system and models in time though, which is kinda cool. Good luck to any new collectors finding one of my "ancient, rare and fantastic" MK2 Night Lords shoulder pads now!

**General Kroll**

I do wonder what the future holds for forgeworld outside of the specialist games, 40k seems to be largely a dead line for them these days, with hardly any new models released during 8th edition.

30k has seen fairly regular releases though. But the focus seems to be fully on the specialist games rather than anything else.

Sad to see the realm of battle boards disappearing, I always thought I’d get some at some point. Same with the old Zone Mortalis stuff. But I guess that’s available in plastic now (albeit in a much smaller size.)

**Kid_Kyoto**

General Kroll wrote:
I do wonder what the future holds for forgeworld outside of the specialist games, 40k seems to be largely a dead line for them these days, with hardly any new models released during 8th edition.

30k has seen fairly regular releases though. But the focus seems to be fully on the specialist games rather than anything else.

Sad to see the realm of battle boards disappearing, I always thought I’d get some at some point. Same with the old Zone Mortalis stuff. But I guess that’s available in plastic now (albeit in a much smaller size.)

If the rules dam has broken we might see more from them. Supposedly new 9th edition FW rules are coming.

Supposedly.

**gorgon**

General Kroll wrote:
I do wonder what the future holds for forgeworld outside of the specialist games, 40k seems to be largely a dead line for them these days, with hardly any new models released during 8th edition.

30k has seen fairly regular releases though. But the focus seems to be fully on the specialist games rather than anything else.

Sad to see the realm of battle boards disappearing, I always thought I’d get some at some point. Same with the old Zone Mortalis stuff. But I guess that’s available in plastic now (albeit in a much smaller size.)

I think the business mix seems clear enough just from recent history.

- Specialist games
- Heresy releases for 'whales' - new special units, vehicles, characters, titans, etc.
- Reduced 40K catalog, limited (no?) new releases

**Ketara**

There's a method to madness of the shoulder pad removals now I look closely.

If you look, all legions which traditionally have MK IV pads still have them on the store. What's more, the ones which are out of sale are marked as 'Temporarily Sold Out'. In other words, they're coming back and just out of stock.

Meanwhile, all legions with MK II and III armour types still have their MK III pads available under the same premise as above.

In other words, they've kept available the closest appropriate type of pads for each of the legions that fits the two plastic armour kits they make (MK III and IV). They've ditched all the MK II pads completely though.

In a way, that's something of a spoiler as to future releases. If they'd kept MK II pads only available for White Scars, World Eaters, etc; we'd know that plastic MK II was on the cards at some point. The fact that they're basically just shrugging and only providing MK III pads for them tells us that plastic MK II isn't envisioned for any point soon.

**a fat guy**

Very interesting if that's the case Ketara, since the Repulsor doors are all gone now too.

If Forgeworld are ditching primaris specific items, it might mean that not only will primaris not be one of their new focuses, they might be ditching 40k entirely, fitting in with what Gorgon said.

**Gadzilla666**

Kid_Kyoto wrote:
General Kroll wrote:
I do wonder what the future holds for forgeworld outside of the specialist games, 40k seems to be largely a dead line for them these days, with hardly any new models released during 8th edition.

30k has seen fairly regular releases though. But the focus seems to be fully on the specialist games rather than anything else.

Sad to see the realm of battle boards disappearing, I always thought I’d get some at some point. Same with the old Zone Mortalis stuff. But I guess that’s available in plastic now (albeit in a much smaller size.)

If the rules dam has broken we might see more from them. Supposedly new 9th edition FW rules are coming.

Supposedly.

They're definitely being pretty tight lipped about them. Hope it isn't because they're bad.

**beast_gts**

zedmeister wrote:
There's also a rumour swirling that the Forgeworld store is to be rebranded as Warhammer Forge and merged with the main GW website. There's a thread on B&C where someone spotted a banner and heading for a few minutes. There's also this link and search results image:

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Warhammer-Forge

Warhammer Forge was the 'brand' they used to release Fantasy stuff under -

Spoiler:

**zedmeister**

beast_gts wrote:

Warhammer Forge was the 'brand' they used to release Fantasy stuff under -

Indeed, but this is apparently a new entry under GW's website. A poster on B&C claimed to see something flash up on the GW site for a few minutes.

**tneva82**

Well this was shared on local 30k chat. No real reliability validation possible. Otoh seems weird, otoh fw has been on such a slowburner wouldn't be weirdest move.

**ScarletRose**

Makes sense to me (except the recaster bit) - HH was spearheaded by one man, who's sadly passed on.

Without him and with everything going on from Covid it makes sense to reabsorb the manpower that was being used.

**OrlandotheTechnicoloured**

the first image is too small/indistinct for me to read, any chance of trying again?

that said it's been quite clear GW has been cross promoting staff out of FW for a while,

I think it also used to be where senior staff ended up when the couldn't work with gw corporate any more but neither didn't want to leave and do their own thing,

but now things are more relaxed these folk are probably not moving over any more

so it wouldn't surprise me if they've ended up in a place where they don't thing they can support an ongoing game especially as the audience is more and more going to have to learn it as a new game (having never played 7th)…

and since GW had apparently(?) taken the rules responsibility for the 40K stuff off FW that either they're not up to the job of writing 9th ed rules (or have too small a team to do so in a timely fashion) so updating the whole of HH is probably not feasible for the at the moment

**tneva82**

Sorry. Pics are same. First one was too blurry so tried to replace but it was left. I'm in middle of nowhere so network sucks. Anyway pics are same

**OrlandotheTechnicoloured**

thanks for trying

**Ketara**

'Flagging. Sales due to Recasters'

Also known as 'Flagging sales due to us pricing everything at such an extortionately high level that a bloke in a garage in China operating an email only list can undercut us by 80%'.

Although to be honest, I don't believe it anyway. I just think Heresy is certainly on the downswing, and that they're compacting the range. Only one shoulder pad per legion, cut loose the lowest selling elements (big mechanicus items, solar auxilia, etc). It also wouldn't surprise me if the odds and sods 40K stuff went the way of the dodo (the dark eldar craft, for example).

But being dropped altogether? No. They've invested far too much time and money into it to drop it out the blue. Cutting it down to the essentials to maintain high turnover and free up shelf space/casting time is a good idea.

If you want Solar Auxilia though, now is probably the time to grab them. They dropped the medic character after one very poor sales run, tank crews went ages back, and now their one of their transports is gone. Given their faction (i.e. imperial army/renegades) in 40K can be easily played/represented by half a dozen ranges in plastic, I don't see them surviving much longer. They're just too expensive to sell much (i.e. £72 for a command squad).

**OrlandotheTechnicoloured**

or due to the fact that they've dropped a bunch of stuff, and now Calth & Prospero are out and on the second hand market there's an alternate legitimate supply of stuff far beyond what was around when HH was all resin

if they could re-release either I bet they'd still sell pretty well

**gorgon**

As I've said before, HH is insane as a business pitch -- from the lavish coffee table books to the 15+ year release span to the extremely expensive miniatures to the unavailability at GW stores and FLGS. Huge kudos to Mr. Bligh for getting that fever dream off the ground. But if this is the end...it's kinda understandable.

Having said that, it still seems to me that the whales still buy a lot and that it might make sense to keep that fire alive. So I'm not sure if I buy it.

**Voss**

Ketara wrote:
'Flagging. Sales due to Recasters'

Also known as 'Flagging sales due to us pricing everything at such an extortionately high level that a bloke in a garage in China operating an email only list can undercut us by 80%'.

Although to be honest, I don't believe it anyway. I just think Heresy is certainly on the downswing, and that they're compacting the range. Only one shoulder pad per legion, cut loose the lowest selling elements (big mechanicus items, solar auxilia, etc). It also wouldn't surprise me if the odds and sods 40K stuff went the way of the dodo (the dark eldar craft, for example).

But being dropped altogether? No. They've invested far too much time and money into it to drop it out the blue.

They don't have to drop it completely. HH is basically Space Marines: the Space Marine-ing. They can still get money out of the existing casts until they wear out, selling various bits and bobs of SM things to 40k collectors who want them. But wrapping up the book line and not doing new stuff? That quite possibly is a money and time investment that may not be worth it anymore.

**BlaxicanX**

"Lagging sales from recasters". lmaooooo, as if they have any way to actually quantify the number of recasts out there+ distinguish a lost sale from a sale they never would have gotten in the first place (ie someone with enough money to buy recasts but not enough to buy FW proper).

Such a bold statement that I'm almost inclined to believe the whole thing is fake. Or rather, the guy is just making the same educated guesses all of us have been making.