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Glumy wrote:


I am very happy it works for you. I am not a fan of too many changes too fast especially when you dont even have time to apprieciate the "new" codex in 1 year time.

It's the flagship army for 40k. It's also an army getting huge chunks of stuff added to it.

Anyone who expected the book to remain static was delusional. Especially given the griping that goes on about "I NEED TO CARRY SO MANY BOOKS!!1!!" whenever new stuff is added via a campaign book or supplement or WD or whatever.

I am quite open for a change from resin to plastic. However if you think change of ruleset will help in this... Well im not so optimistic.

Who mentioned anything about rules in this statement? You seem to ignore that unless playing Marines, things are going to be a mess for someone to obtain items.

I presume you dont play 30k. I dont even know if youre talking to people who actually play the game. I am one. I tell you we need a good starter set. Please dont force on us something we dont actually want.
Edit: I didnt make myself clear. I am sceptical this stuff will get to be in plastic. I am open to this but i just do not believe it. For it to happen we first need a good starter set so GW will see this stuff sells.

GW won't likely waste time on a starter set, since Burning of Prospero was a bust.

That was more likely than not the true test of the waters. Betrayal at Calth was a boardgame with components that could be used in 30k and 40k. BoP had named characters and brought in two prior to that Heresy only factions(Custodes and Sisters of Silence).

I mean, we're how many years past Burning of Prospero and still no solo release of Ahriman or the Space Wolf character? That they tooled up new plastics and basically have left them to rot should tell you everything you really need to know.

I dont know why are you saying my post was 'unwelcoming'. This is an illusion. I am not forcing anything on 40k so please dont force anything on 30k the actual players wouldnt apprieciate.

Continually referencing "the actual players" when discussing something with someone you've never met is pretty unwelcoming. Assuming someone "doesn't play", etc, etc.

 Kanluwen wrote:
GW won't likely waste time on a starter set, since Burning of Prospero was a bust.

That was more likely than not the true test of the waters. Betrayal at Calth was a boardgame with components that could be used in 30k and 40k. BoP had named characters and brought in two prior to that Heresy only factions(Custodes and Sisters of Silence).

I mean, we're how many years past Burning of Prospero and still no solo release of Ahriman or the Space Wolf character? That they tooled up new plastics and basically have left them to rot should tell you everything you really need to know.

I think that was more likely a victim of infighting between GW & FW, and / or Specialist Games monopolising the plastic machines.

 Kanluwen wrote:
GW won't likely waste time on a starter set, since Burning of Prospero was a bust.

Was it? Over here it sold like hotcakes...

 Albertorius wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
GW won't likely waste time on a starter set, since Burning of Prospero was a bust.

Was it? Over here it sold like hotcakes...

Up until 2019, it was still available on the US webstore if you searched for it.

Betrayal at Calth sold out, repeatedly, but BoP only sold out the first week. And again I hate to point to it...but no release of two characters that could have been released as clamshells.

 Albertorius wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
GW won't likely waste time on a starter set, since Burning of Prospero was a bust.

Was it? Over here it sold like hotcakes...

Sold like hotcakes in my area also.

Yeah, Prospero was a weird decision. I was really excited to see them extend the Calth mechanics to include psychic powers and so on but they went with something completely new, as well as nonsensical different-sized board spaces and a core dice mechanism that has basically never made sense to me.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
GW won't likely waste time on a starter set, since Burning of Prospero was a bust.

Was it? Over here it sold like hotcakes...

Up until 2019, it was still available on the US webstore if you searched for it.

Betrayal at Calth sold out, repeatedly, but BoP only sold out the first week. And again I hate to point to it...but no release of two characters that could have been released as clamshells.

Over here in Spain it mostly sold like Calth. Both sold out multiple times and were unavailable during long periods.

Then again, I never saw anyone playing either as a separate boardgame other than me, at home, with Calth.

The character thing is trickier, I guess: Ahriman is way too 30k specific, but the SW could have been used without much issues on the regular 40k. Calth's characters felt much more generic and useable for a wider range of armies.

 Kanluwen wrote:

GW won't likely waste time on a starter set, since Burning of Prospero was a bust.

Both BaC and BoP might not have sold as much as Indomitus (i know statistics from local shop on how much they sold) but both were popular.
You know you were actually proposing a big chunk of stuff from HH becoming plastic. This is very ambitious thinking. However if youre so ambitious about the HH stuff you surely should be more welcoming to at least a starter set. You cant propose a big plastic conversion and then say a starter set is a waste. I couldnt be more humble just proposing a starter set.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Continually referencing "the actual players" when discussing something with someone you've never met is pretty unwelcoming. Assuming someone "doesn't play", etc, etc.

Man just say youre not playing the game. You are saying something about cherrypicking stuff and blaming me for being unwelcoming. Maaan... just chill.
Being several years in the HH community (nation wide) and actually playing the game (indeed "actually playing the game" - this means i might know something you dont) i tell you - the HH community want a starter set. The more the better sure but i just dont see it. Lets be real - there is 1 guy currently running thee HH system afaik. Just please give us the least - a starter set.

 Dysartes wrote:

 Mr. Grey wrote:
If the FW writers can't manage to even put out an Index that isn't riddled with problems and inconsistencies for all the current FW minis to be used in 9e, what makes you think they can manage to do rules for 18 space marine legions, Solar Auxilia, and Mechanicum?

Minor point, dude - if you mean the most recent FW Index, that was written by the GW 40k rules team, not the FW staff.

I think hotsauceman has made maybe one good point so far - that a Start Collecting/Combat Patrol box (or two) using the various HH plastics would be a solid idea.

I think a Start Collecting/Combat Patrol would go a very long way towards introducing more players to 30K. They could even do a reprint of Betrayal at Calth without all the boardgame components, raise the price to $200, and I guarantee they would still sell a ton of them. Add in a mini rulebook similar to the one from 6th edition and maybe a leaflet with the various Legion rules.

I still don't think that the game needs to be updated to 9th edition rules. Why? Because it's very much it's own setting and I feel that the current ruleset gives Horus Heresy a flavor of its own, that would only be diluted with 9e rules. I don't think this is me "throwing a fit", I'm stating a personal preference.

 Mr. Grey wrote:

I think a Start Collecting/Combat Patrol would go a very long way towards introducing more players to 30K. They could even do a reprint of Betrayal at Calth without all the boardgame components, raise the price to $200, and I guarantee they would still sell a ton of them. Add in a mini rulebook similar to the one from 6th edition and maybe a leaflet with the various Legion rules.

I still don't think that the game needs to be updated to 9th edition rules. Why? Because it's very much it's own setting and I feel that the current ruleset gives Horus Heresy a flavor of its own, that would only be diluted with 9e rules. I don't think this is me "throwing a fit", I'm stating a personal preference.

Exactly what i would like.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
GW won't likely waste time on a starter set, since Burning of Prospero was a bust.

Was it? Over here it sold like hotcakes...

Up until 2019, it was still available on the US webstore if you searched for it.

Betrayal at Calth sold out, repeatedly, but BoP only sold out the first week. And again I hate to point to it...but no release of two characters that could have been released as clamshells.

Ah, so they made the exact same amount of copies at the exact same rate and one sold out while the other didn’t?
Oh, we don’t have any data that supports that.

I do agree that it was not as popular as it did hamper its self quite badly.
By that, I mean the faction locks.

Calth was massively popular as everything was generic and useable to one army.
Prospero has 2 units from talons, legion locked hero’s and past that, not a great deal was left to build an army.

People knew that calth gave them the core of an army instantly.



The one that gets me though is prices.
While some things are absurd, others are relative.
People scream that £40 for 10 infantry from FW is insane, but ignore the fact that scions from GW are more expensive.
It’s the typical FW stigma that still lingers.


Keep in mind though it’s not just marines in 30k
I’ve been having a ton of fun using both militia and daemons of the ruinstorm as they are massively customisable in terms of rules and models.


One big factor though is discontinued models.
Always a worrying prospect with FW products as it can happen out of the blue and it’s rarely ever announced.

The Night Lord terminators are expensive, but on par with the Inner Circle Knights. Also, the champion has options for a helmet and a power claw, instead of the clawed face and the hand holding a meat hook (which is actually a chainsword, but you can't tell from the promo images)

Jackal90 wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:



One big factor though is discontinued models.
Always a worrying prospect with FW products as it can happen out of the blue and it’s rarely ever announced.

Me and my friends think they might be trying to move HH to more infantry focussed games.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

Jackal90 wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:



One big factor though is discontinued models.
Always a worrying prospect with FW products as it can happen out of the blue and it’s rarely ever announced.

Me and my friends think they might be trying to move HH to more infantry focussed games.

If that is their intention then there is one huge glaring issue.
30k is more dependent on vehicles than anything else.

There are several rites of war that require them.
Book 9 is no exception for the DA.
Auxilia rely on them heavily.
Questoris is pure vehicles.

This would also increase the power of super heavies and artillery if it’s more infantry focused.


The only armies that pull infantry lists off are certain chapter rites, mechanicum to a degree and auxilia can run a pure infantry/artillery force but it isn’t great.


On the plus side, ruinstorm daemons would get a huge boost as they have none anyway and they can be a pain to deal with, especially knights.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Me and my friends think they might be trying to move HH to more infantry focussed games.

There's Zone Mortalis and the unofficial Centuirion rules for infantry games.

Making things more infantry friendly would just be a process of reducing price points for various infantry, especially troop units.

We've already seen a Tactical squad discount, and if GW started reducing the point cost for models over 10, then you would see more of the larger units rather then min sized troops.

Durandal wrote:
Making things more infantry friendly would just be a process of reducing price points for various infantry, especially troop units.

We've already seen a Tactical squad discount, and if GW started reducing the point cost for models over 10, then you would see more of the larger units rather then min sized troops.

Using the AoS max unit size would work.
Gives a decent points reduction just for taking a max sized unit.

I’m amazed it isn’t already a thing as quite a few rites focus on masses infantry.

An FAQ for Horus Heresy Volume 9 - Crusade was released yesterday.

Good God! A FAQ

beast_gts wrote:
An FAQ for Horus Heresy Volume 9 - Crusade was released yesterday.

From what I can tell, they didn't even bother announcing this anywhere - I found out via reddit, and then still couldn't find it on the site. Some kind soul on Instagram sent me the link.

 Mr. Grey wrote:

beast_gts wrote:
An FAQ for Horus Heresy Volume 9 - Crusade was released yesterday.

From what I can tell, they didn't even bother announcing this anywhere - I found out via reddit, and then still couldn't find it on the site. Some kind soul on Instagram sent me the link.

Yeah, Garro on FB pointed it out. It's listed on the WarCom site under HH FAQs but there's no announcement or article about it.

Really makes me wonder WTF is going on over there. At this point I'd give an arm for some kind of announcement - anything - even if it's "Hey we have to delay anything new for 30k for a year while we reorganize everything".

There's still no sign of the Word Bearers praetors that were previewed last year, much less anything else the game may or may not be getting in 2021. I get that Covid and Brexit probably created a cluster, but how much effort does it take to sit someone down at a computer to write a quick update on the state of the game?

Anuj Malhotra left FW/GW at the end of 2020 so there's just Neil Wylie doing 30k now - and it's not clear if that's all he's doing.

Wow, I didn't realize they were up to volume IX already. Is there any word on which is the final expected HH book?

@beast_gts Yep, I knew about Anuj leaving and that Neal was the only designer left for the game. Which is what's driving my curiosity about the state of the game. It's such a great setting, it would be a shame to see it lose official FW support completely, but right now there's no sign that they're doing anything with it at all, either.

@warboss No news on anything past book 9(Crusade). Lots of rumors about things like Dark Mechanicum, late Heresy rules for various legions, etc. But no official word on anything.

Word Bearers Legion Praetor and Terminator Praetor are up for pre-order next week.

WarCom wrote:Word Bearers Legion Praetor and Terminator Praetor
Legion Praetors enjoy the most senior ranks within their Space Marine Legions. Given that these particular Praetors hail from the Word Bearers, it’s likely that there’s a sinister reason for their elevation through the ranks.

In any case, these resin miniatures hailing from the XVII Legion are full of character, with evidence of horrific ritual scarring on the optional bare heads and the script of Lorgar’s word on scrolls and tomes attached to their armour. If you want to watch Calth burn, then make sure your Legion includes these dastardly commanders, and the favour of the Dark Gods will surely be with you.

Finally!

That terminator looks pretty awesome. I feel like they should have given us a Dark Apostle in Terminator armour datasheet to use him in 40K, too

Can we get Ultramarines next please?

That leering face is proper old school. Like it!