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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
There is just no way on God's green earth that that model is going to arrive looking that good with FW's legendary QA.

FW has QA in the first place? I thought their employees were all blindfolded and just tossed everything straight from the molds into the box.

 Galas wrote:
When looking at 30k conversation online I have seen a Big disconnect between what most people Tell you the Spirit of the Game and setting and how most people actually, at least, Talk how they play.

Theres a ton of competitiveness and list min/maxing I was not expecting with how I has always tought the 30k community was.

My idea of playing was also Big blobs of marines fighting each other with some support in trenches and terrain and what I found was deathstars upon deathstars and artillery and vehicle spam.

Well, that's the problem with the game, where you make tacticals only carry bolters, you make em overpriced compared to their performance, and you make everything else good at killing them, while at the same time you make tacticals suck at killing everything else. Not to mention that a single guy can route whole unit. It's even worse when you pit them against custodes or mehanicum. They are bad vs marines, they are next to useless vs latter.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
There is just no way on God's green earth that that model is going to arrive looking that good with FW's legendary QA.

He will truly live up to his Twisted moniker.

 GaroRobe wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
There is just no way on God's green earth that that model is going to arrive looking that good with FW's legendary QA.

He will truly live up to his Twisted moniker.

Now with Heresy Battle damage! Not the reversible kind He-Man had on his chest but more like the kind you get when a teething sibling discovers your toy box.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
There is just no way on God's green earth that that model is going to arrive looking that good with FW's legendary QA.

FW has QA in the first place? I thought their employees were all blindfolded and just tossed everything straight from the molds into the box.

Oh, that's definitely what they do, but you skipped a step for the bigger models: they sign a little slip of paper so you know who exactly was the blindfolded person tossing the resin from the moulds to the boxes.


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 GaroRobe wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
There is just no way on God's green earth that that model is going to arrive looking that good with FW's legendary QA.

He will truly live up to his Twisted moniker.

It's a good thing I plan on removing the top of that staff anyway -- there's like zero chance that thing looks good, lol.

Maloghurst sold out for pre orders... Damn.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
There is just no way on God's green earth that that model is going to arrive looking that good with FW's legendary QA.

I have not had casting issues at all on my last few orders. Fufillment and billing problems sure, but claiming fw casting is terrible is just hyperbole

I'll fight you on that claim of hyperbole. While the last 2 orders I had were pretty okay in terms of mold slips, all their first wave titanicus releases were dogcrap. And so were the replacements. I'll take bubbles all day, but I cannot fix massive mold skews/slips, clearly chunks of mold left on the model or recently ripped away. It was clear their master mold was garbage. Hoping that's why they were all out of stock for so long - remaking the master/secondary or whatever the process is there.

I'll say anything I got from Forgeworld is heaps above any finecrap from GW. I guess their smaller miniatures and especially Lotr works simply better with Resin than the big stuff? My Plague Hulk still holds more detail than any plastic model I ever saw though so there's that.

Maybe I've just been lucky with FW.

I've got a handful of their necromunda models, the Lion, Russ' pets, and then a bunch of older stuff. Though I actually haven't assembled anything, just looking at the models still on their resin blocks, I didn't see anything noteworthy

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
There is just no way on God's green earth that that model is going to arrive looking that good with FW's legendary QA.

I have not had casting issues at all on my last few orders. Fufillment and billing problems sure, but claiming fw casting is terrible is just hyperbole

This. I’ve placed many, many orders with FW over the past 15 years or so, I’ve never had any issues with casting flaws. I’ve had a couple of broken parts which have been replaced without much fuss.

I get the impression that there have been a small amount of FW kits which have been problematic (for whatever reason), and people with limited experience have assumed that this is the norm.

Also, there are people who a big part of their hobby seems to be criticising GW/FW, I find it best to not take much notice of them TBH.

Okay, how about "FW casting is inconsistent and often errors aren't caught or rejected, which makes their QA terrible"?

Maloghurst selling out was a given, after what happened with Saul Tarvitz I didn't even bother thinking about whether to get him or not !

Quality wise, I've bought from Forgeworld since it started , I've only ever had these issues, all of which were fixed ;

Fire Raptor supplied with two left sides
Slippage on a Word Bearers jet pack squad (cant remember the name of them)
Night Goblin standard bearer missing the banner top.

With GW itself , since 2nd edition 40K I've only ever had;

Missing sprue from start collecting plague monks.
Miscast on Deathwatch Overkill genestealer sprue.
Missing cards from Warcry terrain box.
Missing sprue from Pariah Nexus.

Going a bit off topic but I have had more issues, from buying far far less, with Warlord and Privateer Press. TBF to Warlord they usually do make it up pretty well - most recently my Stalingrad set was missing bases and barbed wire and they sent me a box full of bases and double wire.

Building my first FW Titan right now and I'm actually surprised how well it fits together and how little clean up is needed, though the official instructions are rubbish - using youtube videos.

 spiralingcadaver wrote:
Okay, how about "FW casting is inconsistent and often errors aren't caught or rejected, which makes their QA terrible"?

This is absolutely not my experience. The two broken parts that I referred to in my post happened during transit, I have not had a single casting flaw in any of my FW orders. I’m not saying that it never happens, but it certainly does not happen “often”.

The idea that people receiving Maloghurst should prepare themselves for some kind of defect is just not grounded in reality. It’s a brand new mould, not one that has been used hundreds of times before.

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:

 spiralingcadaver wrote:
Okay, how about "FW casting is inconsistent and often errors aren't caught or rejected, which makes their QA terrible"?

This is absolutely not my experience. The two broken parts that I referred to in my post happened during transit, I have not had a single casting flaw in any of my FW orders. I’m not saying that it never happens, but it certainly does not happen “often”.

The idea that people receiving Maloghurst should prepare themselves for some kind of defect is just not grounded in reality. It’s a brand new mould, not one that has been used hundreds of times before.

Chiming in here with the "My FW purchasing experiences have largely been very positive" crowd. I think I've had one Contemptor lascannon that had a fairly bad mold slip, and after a quick email to FW they shipped out a new one. Super easy. Had one missing part in an assault squad, and it happened to be out of stock at the time I emailed. They offered either a) to send the replacement part when it was back in stock or b) a full refund voucher so that I could purchase the squad myself when it came back. I took the voucher.

Figures from forge world tend to be fine generally. It's larger flatter components in vehicles that seem to experience the issues.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
I have not had casting issues at all on my last few orders. Fufillment and billing problems sure, but claiming fw casting is terrible is just hyperbole

I didn't say their casting. Is aid their QA. There is a difference.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
I have not had casting issues at all on my last few orders. Fufillment and billing problems sure, but claiming fw casting is terrible is just hyperbole

I didn't say their casting. Is aid their QA. There is a difference.

Functionally, no. If the casting is not a problem, how is QA going to affect how the model looks? Catching a copy paste error on the packaging?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
There is just no way on God's green earth that that model is going to arrive looking that good with FW's legendary QA.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
I have not had casting issues at all on my last few orders. Fufillment and billing problems sure, but claiming fw casting is terrible is just hyperbole

I didn't say their casting. Is aid their QA. There is a difference.

Functionally, no. If the casting is not a problem, how is QA going to affect how the model looks? Catching a copy paste error on the packaging?

Getting parts in your blister that aren't from that kit, missing parts from your kit... you know, something that could be addressed by QA, giving assurance that what you ordered is what you will be receiving.

I wonder when that new HH Set will et released - I doubt November...

 Crablezworth wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
I have not had casting issues at all on my last few orders. Fufillment and billing problems sure, but claiming fw casting is terrible is just hyperbole

I didn't say their casting. Is aid their QA. There is a difference.

Functionally, no. If the casting is not a problem, how is QA going to affect how the model looks? Catching a copy paste error on the packaging?

Getting parts in your blister that aren't from that kit, missing parts from your kit... you know, something that could be addressed by QA, giving assurance that what you ordered is what you will be receiving.

That's fair. How often does it happen though? And how would it affect how one would expect a model to look?

RazorEdge wrote:
I wonder when that new HH Set will et released - I doubt November...

Why?

I just had a thought - I really hope the FW legion land raider doors came back when the plastic Spartan comes out…

November was when both previous sets launched , so it’s likely.

Dark Uprising and Blood Bowl's latest edition were both November pre-orders, so there's a precedent for Specialist Game/FW boxsets landing then. August had Titanicus and the renewed MESBG as well, though with Covid and AoS 3.0 it's probably too early for it to be that.

Has anything actually been 'confirmed' about this potential set, and what it contains?

 Alpharius wrote:
Has anything actually been 'confirmed' about this potential set, and what it contains?

There’s been nothing official from GW yet, no. Just the leaked photos.

The leaked photos though are convincing , Spartan isn’t massively bigger than a landraider , and fists vs sons of horus ties into the final siege on Terra as well be seeing the 7th siege book around November I guess.

My guess would be £140-£180.

 Alpharius wrote:
Has anything actually been 'confirmed' about this potential set, and what it contains?

Not yet. The leaked images came out right as the big advertising push for Dominion and Age of Sigmar 3rd ed started, so whether they were intentional or not, they put GW in an awkward spot. Obviously they couldn't take away from sales of Dominion by talking about the HH leaks. Since then it's been nothing but quiet - and more articles and marketing for Dominion and AoS - and I'm really hoping that now that Dominion is officially released that we'll see some form of article talking about the leaked pics and discussing what's coming for 30K. Next Saturday is an ork preview, so it's not going to be then, but maybe there'll be a mid-week article or something.

All that said, I'm trying to be patient. It looks like we've got good stuff coming, it's just a matter of when, and waiting for GW to officially announce/discuss it.

 Mr. Grey wrote:
Not yet. The leaked images came out right as the big advertising push for Dominion and Age of Sigmar 3rd ed started, so whether they were intentional or not, they put GW in an awkward spot. Obviously they couldn't take away from sales of Dominion by talking about the HH leaks. Since then it's been nothing but quiet - and more articles and marketing for Dominion and AoS - and I'm really hoping that now that Dominion is officially released that we'll see some form of article talking about the leaked pics and discussing what's coming for 30K. Next Saturday is an ork preview, so it's not going to be then, but maybe there'll be a mid-week article or something.

All that said, I'm trying to be patient. It looks like we've got good stuff coming, it's just a matter of when, and waiting for GW to officially announce/discuss it.

Not so much Warhammer Community, more like Age of Sigmar Community this past 2 weeks

Still, as 30k is pretty much a defacto specialist game, we have to be patient...