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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Crazy stuff, ain't it?

1. "You're crazy! Nothing had changed. They're not mono-pose!"
2. "So what if they are monopose? They weren't really posable before, so it's not that big a difference!" <--- Gert is here.
3. "We like it because they're dynamic and the old ones were bad anyway!"
4. "No options and nonposable is actually better for everyone/the game/etc.!"
5. "It's just nostalgia/rose-tinted glasses that you think they were posable/easy to convert!"
6. "You should be thankful there are even options at all!"

Actually, I'm at:
1 - "You all need to find a new hobby. Find something to enjoy instead of constantly being whiney children about literally anything GW does ever.

I like the MkIV and III kits, they're good. You also can't pose them very well and pretending otherwise is stupid. I've built a hell of a lot of Space Marines for my CSM, HH Legions, and 40k Marines and 9/10 times the pose is the same as the model beside it because there are only so many ways you can pose Man With Gun. The only real exception to this has been my Deathwatch because I've been using bitz services and kitbashed almost every single model in the army to make each one different from the next, and it's still a difficult process.
The rose-tinted glasses part I agree with because it's based entirely on the very prevalent "New Thing Bad" attitude displayed by many people, people who would rather make stuff up or intentionally incite anger from people than admit they were wrong. But hey, why let people enjoy things, they're obviously all idiots who need to be forced to agree with your anti-GW crusade, right HBMC?

 Gert wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Crazy stuff, ain't it?

1. "You're crazy! Nothing had changed. They're not mono-pose!"
2. "So what if they are monopose? They weren't really posable before, so it's not that big a difference!" <--- Gert is here.
3. "We like it because they're dynamic and the old ones were bad anyway!"
4. "No options and nonposable is actually better for everyone/the game/etc.!"
5. "It's just nostalgia/rose-tinted glasses that you think they were posable/easy to convert!"
6. "You should be thankful there are even options at all!"

Actually, I'm at:
1 - "You all need to find a new hobby. Find something to enjoy instead of constantly being whiney children about literally anything GW does ever.

7. "No place in this hobby for opinions that aren't blind corporate worship" --- Gert is actually here

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:
You gaslighting everyone to think that's how it's always been? Less cool.

Crazy stuff, ain't it?

1. "You're crazy! Nothing had changed. They're not mono-pose!"
2. "So what if they are monopose? They weren't really posable before, so it's not that big a difference!" <--- Gert is here.
3. "We like it because they're dynamic and the old ones were bad anyway!"
4. "No options and nonposable is actually better for everyone/the game/etc.!"
5. "It's just nostalgia/rose-tinted glasses that you think they were posable/easy to convert!"
6. "You should be thankful there are even options at all!"

Srsly

I like them.

They have much better proportions.

The poses are alright.

Shame the terminators did not get upscaled, as far as I know.

I've got 2 boxes of Betrayal at Calth. Not sure what else from this set I'll need to justify the expensive price tag.

The rules are going to be available separately, as are the new plastic HH era tanks. A few Rhinos is what I'm really after.

Hopefully the Vet squads with Heavy and Special weapon options are still a thing in the new HH.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:
You gaslighting everyone to think that's how it's always been? Less cool.

Crazy stuff, ain't it?

1. "You're crazy! Nothing had changed. They're not mono-pose!"
2. "So what if they are monopose? They weren't really posable before, so it's not that big a difference!" <--- Gert is here.
3. "We like it because they're dynamic and the old ones were bad anyway!"
4. "No options and nonposable is actually better for everyone/the game/etc.!"
5. "It's just nostalgia/rose-tinted glasses that you think they were posable/easy to convert!"
6. "You should be thankful there are even options at all!"

Just stop lying and misusing words! Lack of waistjoint doesn’t make a model monopose!

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
7. "No place in this hobby for opinions that aren't blind corporate worship" --- Gert is actually here

Really seems that way yeah. I waited too long before putting them on ignore.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
7. "No place in this hobby for opinions that aren't blind corporate worship" --- Gert is actually here

I think characterising it as "blind corporate worship" is unfair, and borders on hyperbole.

1. "You're crazy! Nothing had changed. They're not mono-pose!" <--- xttz is here...
2. "So what if they are monopose? They weren't really posable before, so it's not that big a difference!" <--- Gert & Crimson are here.
3. "We like it because they're dynamic and the old ones were bad anyway!"
4. "No options and nonposable is actually better for everyone/the game/etc.!"
5. "It's just nostalgia/rose-tinted glasses that you think they were posable/easy to convert!" <--- ... and xttz is also here, somehow.
6. "You should be thankful there are even options at all!"

Oh cool we dogpiling again based on the fact people don't like opinions that don't conform with "GW Bad"?

 Crimson wrote:
Just stop lying and misusing words! Lack of waistjoint doesn’t make a model monopose!

I'm not lying. There is a marked difference between old kits and the new kits, in just the same way as there is a marked difference between the plastic kits at the start of 2nd Edition and the ones we had in 6th and 7th, no matter what gaslighting Gert his attempting with his "objective truth" nonsense, trying to pretend as if there's no difference between then and now.

And you're the one who keeps bringing up the waist joint.

 ImAGeek wrote:
I…actually don’t know how much I like them now. A lot of the leg poses are not good. The walking ones are cool but they just can’t get away from the ‘stood still, legs splayed’ pose I guess.

I like how ugly thing that was standard for 30 years (and is still defended by people with bad taste) was completely demolished by natural primaris posing to the point even a fixed kit that looks vastly better than old squat garbage looks bad in comparison. Sanity starts to prevail, I see

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
What i think is interesting, is that the Sergant gets no other ranged options than the Plasma Pistol.

Seeing we know he can be assembled as tactical marine, that's at least bolter right there, if not combi-weapon all HH kits so far had.

 Albertorius wrote:
The black marine (Raven? Angel? Who knows )

Except you can see edges of RG transfer and besides, not only DC is not a thing in HH yet but even if it was, the armour would be marked by multiple red crosses...

I'm not sure it bodes too well for customizability.

Uh, what? There is at least 5 distinct bolter targeting poses (more if you count straps and trigger safety grips, something that already makes this superior to any squat kit in existence), that's already better than virtually any HH or 40K tactical squad kit. People already forgot these produced 9 almost identical 'clutching me bolter across chest' models + sergeant without cutting and resculpting?

 Irbis wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:
The black marine (Raven? Angel? Who knows )

Except you can see edges of RG transfer and besides, not only DC is not a thing in HH yet but even if it was, the armour would be marked by multiple red crosses...

They meant Dark Angels (and it's not Iron Hands, as the hands are black).

beast_gts wrote:

 Irbis wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:
The black marine (Raven? Angel? Who knows )

Except you can see edges of RG transfer and besides, not only DC is not a thing in HH yet but even if it was, the armour would be marked by multiple red crosses...

They meant Dark Angels (and it's not Iron Hands, as the hands are black).

Yup, I meant Dark Angels, of course. AFAIK, there's no red rage in HH.

I can't see the transfer even now, though >_>

My guess is the starter set Mk6's aka Legion Tactical will be monopose small sprues like the ETB Assault Intercessors - 5 bodies repeated, with a few options.

Then a full Mk6 kit will come out, like the full Assault Intercessors.

Especially as the 'rumor release list' lists Legion upgrade pack sprues.

 judgedoug wrote:
My guess is the starter set Mk6's aka Legion Tactical will be monopose small sprues like the ETB Assault Intercessors - 5 bodies repeated, with a few options.

Then a full Mk6 kit will come out, like the full Assault Intercessors.

Especially as the 'rumor release list' lists Legion upgrade pack sprues.

Even more reason to wait for the separate kit and buy just the one instead of getting the bundle, TBH. For me, that is.

But the intercessors kits are still five bodies duplicated, right? At least the regular ones is, I don't know about the assault ones.

 judgedoug wrote:
My guess is the starter set Mk6's aka Legion Tactical will be monopose small sprues like the ETB Assault Intercessors - 5 bodies repeated, with a few options.

Then a full Mk6 kit will come out, like the full Assault Intercessors.

Especially as the 'rumor release list' lists Legion upgrade pack sprues.

I agree with this post.

These models are akin to the last two large release sets that GW did for 40k. Both Indomitus and Dark Imperium has exclusive poses in their primaris releases. Indomitus had squads of 5 repeated poses.

Shortly after came the more varied squads with more posing options.

That power sword is really neat.

I wonder how compatible these are with the other two existing kits? A quick arm swap between the Mark 4 and Mark 6 would make for some really neat posed.

What are we guessing? Maybe the first $75 USD box for tactical/equivalent?

So *every* sarge has to have a plasma pistol? That's weird

 Togusa wrote:
That power sword is really neat.

I wonder how compatible these are with the other two existing kits? A quick arm swap between the Mark 4 and Mark 6 would make for some really neat posed.

Mark 4 came out before Mark 3, and I don't have much experience with the former. But Mark 3 aren't big models and although the arms aren't necessarily terrible different, they are kind of small when used on newer models Given the size of the new mark 6 marines, the Mk4 arms may be noticably smaller

If the big box has etb mkvi I'm ok with it, generally that means extra poses in addition to the full kit. I've done a bunch with the various etb tacticus kits and have a pretty decent variety of poses for Intercessors, so maybe it'll be the same deal???

But I would much rather have had 10 unique poses to begin with, ya know kinda like the MKIII/IV.

No flamer or missle launcher? Boo.

 GaroRobe wrote:

 Togusa wrote:
That power sword is really neat.

I wonder how compatible these are with the other two existing kits? A quick arm swap between the Mark 4 and Mark 6 would make for some really neat posed.

Mark 4 came out before Mark 3, and I don't have much experience with the former. But Mark 3 aren't big models and although the arms aren't necessarily terrible different, they are kind of small when used on newer models Given the size of the new mark 6 marines, the Mk4 arms may be noticably smaller

MKIII arms work fine in primaris so unless the beakies are bigger, shouldn't be an issue.

LostTemplar wrote:

 judgedoug wrote:
My guess is the starter set Mk6's aka Legion Tactical will be monopose small sprues like the ETB Assault Intercessors - 5 bodies repeated, with a few options.

Then a full Mk6 kit will come out, like the full Assault Intercessors.

Especially as the 'rumor release list' lists Legion upgrade pack sprues.

I agree with this post.

These models are akin to the last two large release sets that GW did for 40k. Both Indomitus and Dark Imperium has exclusive poses in their primaris releases. Indomitus had squads of 5 repeated poses.

Shortly after came the more varied squads with more posing options.

Isn't that a huge problem if the supposed content of the box (40 marines) are true? Neither of the other starter sets had that many duplicate marines.

LostTemplar wrote:

 judgedoug wrote:
My guess is the starter set Mk6's aka Legion Tactical will be monopose small sprues like the ETB Assault Intercessors - 5 bodies repeated, with a few options.

Then a full Mk6 kit will come out, like the full Assault Intercessors.

Especially as the 'rumor release list' lists Legion upgrade pack sprues.

I agree with this post.

These models are akin to the last two large release sets that GW did for 40k. Both Indomitus and Dark Imperium has exclusive poses in their primaris releases. Indomitus had squads of 5 repeated poses.

Shortly after came the more varied squads with more posing options.

I thought Indomitus had the necron warriors that were released separately, as were the outriders. Likewise, soul wars had chainrasps that were released separately, despite being monopose. Also the previous HH boxsets were the full multiple kits.

 Albertorius wrote:

But the intercessors kits are still five bodies duplicated, right? At least the regular ones is, I don't know about the assault ones.

Yes, Primaris full kits have historically been a 5-model set of sprues, duplicated for 10 model sets (though they did release 'combat squads' early in the Primaris for Intercessors, Reivers, Hellblasters, etc).

The upside of the full kits is that the legs are separate pieces and are of significantly greater detail than the Firstborn style plastics where the lower legs are typically one piece, but the downside is the legs are paired to match so the out of the box poses goes down drastically. Thankfully arm and head posing is typically not specifically matched so a squad of ten dudes looks fine, especially as the separate leg bits allows the sculpt to create a much greater range of motion. So both bad and good depending on what you like.
(Personally, I recently assembled my first Mk4 models along with finally assembling my full kit Primaris fellas who have been sitting around for years, and I found I liked the Primaris more; that being said, I don't have like 50 Intercessors, so I can imagine having 50 of five leg poses repeated ten times each might annoy me)

 infinite_array wrote:

LostTemplar wrote:

 judgedoug wrote:
My guess is the starter set Mk6's aka Legion Tactical will be monopose small sprues like the ETB Assault Intercessors - 5 bodies repeated, with a few options.

Then a full Mk6 kit will come out, like the full Assault Intercessors.

Especially as the 'rumor release list' lists Legion upgrade pack sprues.

I agree with this post.

These models are akin to the last two large release sets that GW did for 40k. Both Indomitus and Dark Imperium has exclusive poses in their primaris releases. Indomitus had squads of 5 repeated poses.

Shortly after came the more varied squads with more posing options.

Isn't that a huge problem if the supposed content of the box (40 marines) are true? Neither of the other starter sets had that many duplicate marines.

5 bodies and 5 body options don't even get you 30 unique poses, even if you count wheather or not a dangling shoulder strap makes a different pose lul.

I still wouldn't consider picking up HH unless mk II got similar treatment to this and they came out with skirmish rules. I just can't do army games anymore, don't have the time and don't have the money. Love the early HH setting and books though.

I'm the only one who thinks that the power sword fits better to a high ranking Space Marine officer?

Someone in a german forum noticed that the blue armour colour on the exampled UM seems to looks different that the common colours on 40k UMs.

 GaroRobe wrote:

 Togusa wrote:
That power sword is really neat.

I wonder how compatible these are with the other two existing kits? A quick arm swap between the Mark 4 and Mark 6 would make for some really neat posed.

Mark 4 came out before Mark 3, and I don't have much experience with the former. But Mark 3 aren't big models and although the arms aren't necessarily terrible different, they are kind of small when used on newer models Given the size of the new mark 6 marines, the Mk4 arms may be noticably smaller

They changed the size of the models?