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If it came down to pure paint scheme, I think the Tsons in heresy look the best. Really stunning (funny, because I can't stand them in 40K). After looking at images of the beakies painted in legion colours, Salamanders and Tsons are drifting toward the top.
bullyboy wrote: I'm excited for the box but just not excited for any particular faction. I've painted too much black in regards to marines already (Ravenwing, Ravenguard, Deathwatch, and Black Templars in waiting), so I can't get excited for DA or RG for this set.
Most of my group have Traitor armies so wanted to lean Loyalist, but not feeling very inspired. Not going to do UM or IF (friend has Ultras, IF is yellow and iyanden is one too many yellow armies for me).
I've always had no issue picking factions previously, but what can people here recommend to help steer me in the right direction? Short stories, overview, videos, anything?
I challenge you to read Chris Wraight’s White Scars books and not want to make a Scars force…
I’m the opposite, I’ve felt inspired to do pretty much every legion at some point or other.
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bullyboy wrote: If it came down to pure paint scheme, I think the Tsons in heresy look the best. Really stunning (funny, because I can't stand them in 40K). After looking at images of the beakies painted in legion colours, Salamanders and Tsons are drifting toward the top.
Yeah the Thousand Sons look very cool. And I think they work really well if you’re going for a flat red or metallic red too. Also the 40k models for them give quite a lot of bits you can use. I converted a veteran squad from the Rubric kit, and a Sekhmet squad using the Scarab Occult mixed with the Tartaros kit (I think they’re Cataphractii only in the new edition ) My main issue is I don’t know how I’d carry the scheme over to vehicles, I think the red I did was contrast red over gold, I’m not sure how that would work on bigger models.
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The Hexagrammaton was how the Legions were organised prior to the Principia Bellicosa. It allowed for tactical flexibility within the wider Legion as individual Astartes would belong to one Order outside of their traditional Company or Squad. This meant that if a certain type of tactic was required, there would be enough Astartes in a select group that could then instruct their comrades for that battle. The 1st kept it when most others dropped it for the Principia and then Johnson reorganised it when he inherited the Legion, turning it into the Wing system which was a hybrid of the original Hexeagrammaton and the Calabanite Orders.
These painting tutorials crack me up! Here's the 'Eavy Metal tier equivalent
I can kind of understand GW not wanting to freak out their customers, but the distinction between how they show you to do it vs how they do it themselves is kind of funny
The thing is, the GW tutorials specifically don't show you how. That doesn't seem to be the point- its mostly giving you a list of paints to buy and stressing that they're crap unless watered down (though I suspect that's unintentional).
They list colors to use, mention a technique, capture a handful of brush-strokes and then jump to 'and it looks like this.'
Which, unfortunately in the DA video, most of it is pretty invisible until they take it away from the painter and switch backgrounds at the end. The camera and the light background wash out the in-progress details beyond the obvious red or metal.
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Billicus wrote: The whole "spray it black, then also paint it black" thing they've been doing lately for black armour is SO crap. Who has time for that?
That isn't particularly weird. Getting perfect, even coverage everywhere with spray primer is... unlikely.
Though personally, I'd go with a different spray primer brownish-red (I like AP's Chaotic Red) to give the black some depth. Metallic primer has some potential as well, depending on what effect you're going for.
For the loyalist legions, I'd do a dark red primer for DA, a metallic for Iron Hands and a dark blue for RG. Shift the base colors somewhat so there is at least some distinction between them beyond iconography.
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I use grey sprays for miniatures that are going to wind up predominantly black, much more depth that way. Black spray followed by black brush layer seems like a horrible technique to me.
GW uses a black spray because GW sells a black spray. The other option is the Contrast sprays but they're for doing things the Contrast method rather than the classic method. Even the coloured sprays GW made were supposed to be done over a black/white base spray.
Gert wrote: GW uses a black spray because GW sells a black spray. The other option is the Contrast sprays but they're for doing things the Contrast method rather than the classic method. Even the coloured sprays GW made were supposed to be done over a black/white base spray.
That isn't true. Even though they aren't really, they sell their sprays as primers (though they admittedly don't use that word anymore. Just 'Makes undercoating and basing your models simple' which implies no other steps)..
Whatever the reasoning, it isn't 'they sell a black spray' - They also still sell grey, red, metallic and blue among their 13 sprays. They could show those off and explain the effect of undercoating.
Voss wrote: That isn't true. Even though they aren't really, they sell their sprays as primers (though they admittedly don't use that word anymore. Just 'Makes undercoating and basing your models simple' which implies no other steps)..
How aren't they primers exactly? You prime the model with the spray then do the rest of the painting on top, unless you skip that stage and just go straight to a base paint which is a personal choice. The sprays are used for undercoats and quick base painting before the application of layers, washes, highlights, etc. Why does the store page for a spray need to explain every single step of the painting process?
Whatever the reasoning, it isn't 'they sell a black spray' - They also still sell grey, red, metallic and blue among their 13 sprays. They could show those off and explain the effect of undercoating.
The point of these videos isn't to explain the basics of painting though. That would be the videos explaining the basics of painting or the in-person tutorials at GW stores.
A model where the primary colour is black gets a black primer before being base painted with black to catch any missed spots and to prevent painting onto bare plastic which can cause chipping or flaking. That's the GW process.
Also, GW doesn't "stress" that the paints are rubbish because you should water them down. Base paints are thick paints, so when you only need to use them as a tidy up (as is the case here) you thin it down to avoid ruining details while keeping the colour similar to the spray.
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Billicus wrote: The whole "spray it black, then also paint it black" thing they've been doing lately for black armour is SO crap. Who has time for that?
One who doesn't know 100% sure he isn't going to do slip requiring touch up. If you don't brush then slip over either you spray over or paint by brush and end up different looking part. Spray colour doesn't match brush colour.
Gert wrote: GW uses a black spray because GW sells a black spray. The other option is the Contrast sprays but they're for doing things the Contrast method rather than the classic method. Even the coloured sprays GW made were supposed to be done over a black/white base spray.
That isn't true. Even though they aren't really, they sell their sprays as primers (though they admittedly don't use that word anymore. Just 'Makes undercoating and basing your models simple' which implies no other steps)..
Whatever the reasoning, it isn't 'they sell a black spray' - They also still sell grey, red, metallic and blue among their 13 sprays. They could show those off and explain the effect of undercoating.
Heh, imagine thinking they undercoat in black bcos that's the only colour of spray they can make and sell There's a vid in this thread just a couple of replies above this of a non-GW employee that uses black spray undercoat in the majority of his vids.
JWBS wrote: Heh, imagine thinking they undercoat in black bcos that's the only colour of spray they can make and sell There's a vid in this thread just a couple of replies above this of a non-GW employee that uses black spray undercoat in the majority of his vids.
Show me in the post I wrote where I explicitly acknowledged the other GW sprays that I said GW only makes black spray.
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Billicus wrote: The whole "spray it black, then also paint it black" thing they've been doing lately for black armour is SO crap. Who has time for that?
Chaos Black primer has a different shade to it than Abbadon Black so by painting it Abbadon Black first if you make mistakes it's easier to hide them since the colors match.
) My main issue is I don’t know how I’d carry the scheme over to vehicles, I think the red I did was contrast red over gold, I’m not sure how that would work on bigger models.
There's a vid in this thread just a couple of replies above this of a non-
