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Theres enough generic units to keep them busy for years to come before they should even consider addressing "units of renown". Its hard to justify plasticizing a unit that only Imperial Fists or Alpha Legion can use, when there are dozens of units that everyone can use.
CoALabaer wrote: Wargamers hate two things: the state of the game and change.
chaos0xomega wrote: Its hard to justify plasticizing a unit that only Imperial Fists or Alpha Legion can use, when there are dozens of units that everyone can use.
Tell that to whatever clown who is deciding the sprues of next 40K mini. Instead of taking AoS approach and including generic version of whatever unit they are releasing to broaden sales, they double down on idiotic specifity. See canoness in the paragon walker, you can't have generic for your order, have to be specific, locked one. Primaris captain with claws and jump pack? No can do, has to be Shrike. Gravis techmarine to match your gravis army? LOLNO, better make him IH only. Etc, etc. Customer appeal? What's that?
Leo_the_Rat wrote: Quick question about the starter- Are all the tactical marines just bolters or is there an option for bolt pistol and chain sword?
It's looking like just bolters. Bolt pistol and chainsword will probably be an upgrade pack in the future.
I'd expect assault marines to get a full kit. GW loves its jumping stances and traditionally assault marines had a harness across the chest for the jump pack.
The poses for the units in the main box just don't work as assaults.
my biggest fear is if they put out a HH assault marine kit it'll have those fething FLIGHT STANDS!
I didn't truly understand the meaning of fear until I read this post
right... I dunno why GW is so fixated on those stands.. they're AWEFUL
Opinions are not facts please don't confuse the two
chaos0xomega wrote: Theres enough generic units to keep them busy for years to come before they should even consider addressing "units of renown". Its hard to justify plasticizing a unit that only Imperial Fists or Alpha Legion can use, when there are dozens of units that everyone can use.
I could see them doing a splash release of a "new generic unit" by having a Legion specific one to get released first, then the "generic" later.
IE: Something like the Mor Deythan Squad--bundle of a RG upgrade frame and Legion Recon Squad in one box.
Is there anything wrong with each Legion getting a signature unit?
Like, say, for World Eaters you could get their Red Butcher Terminators. For White Scars the Ebon Keshig. Dark Angels the Deathwing Companions. Ultramarines the Invictarus Suzerain. Alpha Legion Lernaean Terminators. Emperor's Children Kakophoni. Iron Hands Tyrant Siege Terminators. Night Lord Raptors.
And on on.
I realise that there are a lot of Terminators in the above list. Maybe as additional sprues for existing squads?
H.B.M.C. wrote: Is there anything wrong with each Legion getting a signature unit?
Like, say, for World Eaters you could get their Red Butcher Terminators. For White Scars the Ebon Keshig. Dark Angels the Deathwing Companions. Ultramarines the Invictarus Suzerain. Alpha Legion Lernaean Terminators. Emperor's Children Kakophoni. Iron Hands Tyrant Siege Terminators. Night Lord Raptors.
And on on.
I realise that there are a lot of Terminators in the above list. Maybe as additional sprues for existing squads?
Honestly trickling out updates of specialized units into plastic could be a great way to keep updating the game without just adding books or units, but I'm sure someone will tell me why it's bad.
Leo_the_Rat wrote: Quick question about the starter- Are all the tactical marines just bolters or is there an option for bolt pistol and chain sword?
It's looking like just bolters. Bolt pistol and chainsword will probably be an upgrade pack in the future.
I'd expect assault marines to get a full kit. GW loves its jumping stances and traditionally assault marines had a harness across the chest for the jump pack.
The poses for the units in the main box just don't work as assaults.
my biggest fear is if they put out a HH assault marine kit it'll have those fething FLIGHT STANDS!
I didn't truly understand the meaning of fear until I read this post
right... I dunno why GW is so fixated on those stands.. they're AWEFUL
I miss the old ones, which says something, given how often they broke with hybrid metal/plastic (or all metal) vehicles. I stay still shy away from land speeders and dark eldar because of it.
But at least you could hide they old ones with a lot of vehicles so they didn't wreck the look of the model with a giant arc of bare, shiny plastic (and no real connector).
Despite all their technology, flight stands are something that have never improved over the years, and actually sometimes seem to go backwards in quality.
We haven't even seen a plastic kit of assault marines or breachers and people are already talking about legion-specific plastics...
Well, once they do get a lot of the generic ones out, and if they can get some nice legion-specific upgrade kits for shoulder pads and heads, then I'd be happy to see some of the legion-specific stuff to get some plastic conversion.
I feel like instead of simply moving more resin to plastic, they would take the opportunity to make new things, but who knows?
drbored wrote: We haven't even seen a plastic kit of assault marines or breachers and people are already talking about legion-specific plastics...
Well, once they do get a lot of the generic ones out, and if they can get some nice legion-specific upgrade kits for shoulder pads and heads, then I'd be happy to see some of the legion-specific stuff to get some plastic conversion.
I feel like instead of simply moving more resin to plastic, they would take the opportunity to make new things, but who knows?
I'm hoping for assault marines to be announced soon, but that's the Night Lords talking. Mainly what I want from early HH is MkVI legion specific upgrades. Bonus points for beaky batwing helmets.
drbored wrote: We haven't even seen a plastic kit of assault marines or breachers and people are already talking about legion-specific plastics...
Well, once they do get a lot of the generic ones out, and if they can get some nice legion-specific upgrade kits for shoulder pads and heads, then I'd be happy to see some of the legion-specific stuff to get some plastic conversion.
I feel like instead of simply moving more resin to plastic, they would take the opportunity to make new things, but who knows?
I'm hoping for assault marines to be announced soon, but that's the Night Lords talking. Mainly what I want from early HH is MkVI legion specific upgrades. Bonus points for beaky batwing helmets.
The Assault Marines box will probably just be a box of 50 chainswords, 1 hammer, 1 power sword, and 1 power fist.
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drbored wrote: We haven't even seen a plastic kit of assault marines or breachers and people are already talking about legion-specific plastics...
Well, once they do get a lot of the generic ones out, and if they can get some nice legion-specific upgrade kits for shoulder pads and heads, then I'd be happy to see some of the legion-specific stuff to get some plastic conversion.
I feel like instead of simply moving more resin to plastic, they would take the opportunity to make new things, but who knows?
I'm hoping for assault marines to be announced soon, but that's the Night Lords talking. Mainly what I want from early HH is MkVI legion specific upgrades. Bonus points for beaky batwing helmets.
The Assault Marines box will probably just be a box of 50 chainswords, 1 hammer, 1 power sword, and 1 power fist.
drbored wrote: We haven't even seen a plastic kit of assault marines or breachers and people are already talking about legion-specific plastics...
Well, once they do get a lot of the generic ones out, and if they can get some nice legion-specific upgrade kits for shoulder pads and heads, then I'd be happy to see some of the legion-specific stuff to get some plastic conversion.
I feel like instead of simply moving more resin to plastic, they would take the opportunity to make new things, but who knows?
I'm hoping for assault marines to be announced soon, but that's the Night Lords talking. Mainly what I want from early HH is MkVI legion specific upgrades. Bonus points for beaky batwing helmets.
The Assault Marines box will probably just be a box of 50 chainswords, 1 hammer, 1 power sword, and 1 power fist.
Meh. If it were a 40k chaos release, maybe. But that pile of boxes with 10s of heavy and special weapons says 'nah.'
drbored wrote: We haven't even seen a plastic kit of assault marines or breachers and people are already talking about legion-specific plastics...
Well, once they do get a lot of the generic ones out, and if they can get some nice legion-specific upgrade kits for shoulder pads and heads, then I'd be happy to see some of the legion-specific stuff to get some plastic conversion.
I feel like instead of simply moving more resin to plastic, they would take the opportunity to make new things, but who knows?
I'm hoping for assault marines to be announced soon, but that's the Night Lords talking. Mainly what I want from early HH is MkVI legion specific upgrades. Bonus points for beaky batwing helmets.
The Assault Marines box will probably just be a box of 50 chainswords, 1 hammer, 1 power sword, and 1 power fist.
H.B.M.C. wrote: Is there anything wrong with each Legion getting a signature unit?
Like, say, for World Eaters you could get their Red Butcher Terminators. For White Scars the Ebon Keshig. Dark Angels the Deathwing Companions. Ultramarines the Invictarus Suzerain. Alpha Legion Lernaean Terminators. Emperor's Children Kakophoni. Iron Hands Tyrant Siege Terminators. Night Lord Raptors.
And on on.
I realise that there are a lot of Terminators in the above list. Maybe as additional sprues for existing squads?
Honestly trickling out updates of specialized units into plastic could be a great way to keep updating the game without just adding books or units, but I'm sure someone will tell me why it's bad.
1) They're more marine releases.
2) They're firstborn releases, so not even relevant for most players because they're being squatted and everyone prefers Primaris proportions.
3) They're out of scale anyway as they're too big. They won't match up with the rest of the models in that army.
4) They're out of scale anyway as they're too small. They won't match up with the rest of the models in that army.
5) They're firstborn marine releases that only one army can use. And the 40k version of that army. And Deathwatch players. Or anyone with a DIY chapter with similar iconography. And anyone capable of owning a file or craft knife.
No One Important wrote: 2) They're firstborn releases, so not even relevant for most players because they're being squatted and everyone prefers Primaris proportions.
5) They're firstborn marine releases that only one army can use. And the 40k version of that army. And Deathwatch players. Or anyone with a DIY chapter with similar iconography. And anyone capable of owning a file or craft knife.
Who cares? These aren't 40k releases. They're 30k releases. They're for a different game.
H.B.M.C. wrote: Is there anything wrong with each Legion getting a signature unit?
Like, say, for World Eaters you could get their Red Butcher Terminators. For White Scars the Ebon Keshig. Dark Angels the Deathwing Companions. Ultramarines the Invictarus Suzerain. Alpha Legion Lernaean Terminators. Emperor's Children Kakophoni. Iron Hands Tyrant Siege Terminators. Night Lord Raptors.
And on on.
I realise that there are a lot of Terminators in the above list. Maybe as additional sprues for existing squads?
There’s nothing wrong with per se. If the game becomes popular then they should be able to give full support to a lot of factions.
My only issue is that I think giving each legion specific squads in plastic should be something only considered once every army in the Heresy has a range of basic troops and some vehicles in plastic. I’d want to include Mechanicum and Solar Auxilia in that. Heresy has more factions than marines and they deserve plastic too.
H.B.M.C. wrote: Is there anything wrong with each Legion getting a signature unit?
Like, say, for World Eaters you could get their Red Butcher Terminators. For White Scars the Ebon Keshig. Dark Angels the Deathwing Companions. Ultramarines the Invictarus Suzerain. Alpha Legion Lernaean Terminators. Emperor's Children Kakophoni. Iron Hands Tyrant Siege Terminators. Night Lord Raptors.
And on on.
I realise that there are a lot of Terminators in the above list. Maybe as additional sprues for existing squads?
Honestly trickling out updates of specialized units into plastic could be a great way to keep updating the game without just adding books or units, but I'm sure someone will tell me why it's bad.
1) They're more marine releases.
2) They're firstborn releases, so not even relevant for most players because they're being squatted and everyone prefers Primaris proportions.
3) They're out of scale anyway as they're too big. They won't match up with the rest of the models in that army.
4) They're out of scale anyway as they're too small. They won't match up with the rest of the models in that army.
5) They're firstborn marine releases that only one army can use. And the 40k version of that army. And Deathwatch players. Or anyone with a DIY chapter with similar iconography. And anyone capable of owning a file or craft knife.
Points 1-5 are countered by "they're Horus Heresy releases" that don't have to be reliant on 40k to be a thing.
H.B.M.C. wrote: Is there anything wrong with each Legion getting a signature unit?
Like, say, for World Eaters you could get their Red Butcher Terminators. For White Scars the Ebon Keshig. Dark Angels the Deathwing Companions. Ultramarines the Invictarus Suzerain. Alpha Legion Lernaean Terminators. Emperor's Children Kakophoni. Iron Hands Tyrant Siege Terminators. Night Lord Raptors.
And on on.
I realise that there are a lot of Terminators in the above list. Maybe as additional sprues for existing squads?
There’s nothing wrong with per se. If the game becomes popular then they should be able to give full support to a lot of factions.
My only issue is that I think giving each legion specific squads in plastic should be something only considered once every army in the Heresy has a range of basic troops and some vehicles in plastic. I’d want to include Mechanicum and Solar Auxilia in that. Heresy has more factions than marines and they deserve plastic too.
Sisters of Silence transport in plastic when?
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2) They're firstborn releases, so not even relevant for most players because they're being squatted and everyone prefers Primaris proportions.
3) They're out of scale anyway as they're too big. They won't match up with the rest of the models in that army.
4) They're out of scale anyway as they're too small. They won't match up with the rest of the models in that army.
5) They're firstborn marine releases that only one army can use. And the 40k version of that army. And Deathwatch players. Or anyone with a DIY chapter with similar iconography. And anyone capable of owning a file or craft knife.
No One Important wrote: 2) They're firstborn releases, so not even relevant for most players because they're being squatted and everyone prefers Primaris proportions.
5) They're firstborn marine releases that only one army can use. And the 40k version of that army. And Deathwatch players. Or anyone with a DIY chapter with similar iconography. And anyone capable of owning a file or craft knife.
Who cares? These aren't 40k releases. They're 30k releases. They're for a different game.
> the sarcasm
> your head
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Basic utility. Would it be better for players and sales to have gw make 18 kits each for a single legion, or combine that sprue budget and plasticize a dozen kits that can be taken by all 18 legions?
MajorWesJanson wrote: Basic utility. Would it be better for players and sales to have gw make 18 kits each for a single legion, or combine that sprue budget and plasticize a dozen kits that can be taken by all 18 legions?
Kind of as simple as that. And the more plastic kits there are, the easier is to do conversions if you want to personalize stuff for your legion.
Plus there's oodles of stuff that everyone could use that would be nice to see in plastic, as the aforementioned breachers and assault squads, or bikes, jetbikes, speeders et all.
Has there been any indication of the sort of release schedule we're looking at for the things we've seen? As in, is everything so far going to be a day 1 release, or more spread out?
I'm assuming the two army list books will release alongside the main box, and I would imagine the weapon sets as well (else it would be really annoying if you wanted to build any of the marines from the box with optional weapons).
The re-release of the other marks of armour would also seem likely, but wondering about the various tanks etc. thinking it might be likely that they will come out shortly later, rather than a huge one day release.
Don't remember hearing anything about this on the stream, don't know if there were any hints at the open day?
