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 Albertorius wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Remember that for each legion specific kit/pack for heresy, they have to multiply production by 18 and divide the target audience by the same.

Same as with any other SM upgrade sprue ever, right. And all these are compatible with any regular 40k marine, too, so...

Those tend to come out only 1 or 2 at a time alongside a codex or supplement book. And if the heresy upgrades are compatible, why not just use the existing sm upgrade kits for heresy shoulders, and spend the plastic sprue budget that would have gone to more shoulders on some plastic consuls instead that all 18 legions can benefit from?

The shoulder upgrades are also ONLY going to work on MK VI armor.

also I recall hearing somewhere that the upgrade packs for the various marine forces weren't selling as well as GW had initally hoped. that's why the "second wave" included some unique bling like pwoer hammers etc. so GW could push sales beyond what they would have.


anyway I'm betting we'll also get a sons of horus upgrade pack along the same time as Imperial fists. Sons of Horus and Imperial fists are going to be the "Ultramarines" of this edition of HH

BrianDavion wrote:
The shoulder upgrades are also ONLY going to work on MK VI armor.

I very much doubt that's the case... I mean, yeah, those are Mark VI shoulder pads, but it's not like we all haven't mixed armor parts all the time anyways.

MkV also use the same Shoulder Pads.

 Albertorius wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
The shoulder upgrades are also ONLY going to work on MK VI armor.

I very much doubt that's the case... I mean, yeah, those are Mark VI shoulder pads, but it's not like we all haven't mixed armor parts all the time anyways.

yes but in this case it's a direction of herealdry issue. most suits of armor have the hereldry on the left side. but MK VI is designed to have the studs on that side and the hereldry on the right side. with some of the Legions this won't be an issue but with others (the space wolves for example) this will be an issue


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BTW a "how to paoint" video I found online on youtube noted that the mk vi he got from the games day was primed in a Sons of Horus Green. so new primers may be coming.

hopefully they'll bring back averland sunset

Disappointed these are resin, but... whatever.

Chalking it up to an economic decision on GW's part and the ~1/18th of demand. Only real disappointment so far and its a minor one.

Who wants to take bets on how long it takes to get all 18 legions their upgrades

"In due course" doesn't sound encouraging for a FW timescale

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Who wants to take bets on how long it takes to get all 18 legions their upgrades

"In due course" doesn't sound encouraging for a FW timescale

Shoulder pads ought to be pretty quick, unlike the legion specific dreadnought or praetor. They already have the digital assets for the icons and pads, just combine and cast. Helmet sets may be a bit longer depending on what they do with them.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Who wants to take bets on how long it takes to get all 18 legions their upgrades

"In due course" doesn't sound encouraging for a FW timescale

Yeah, that does sound bad. I can vaguely understand rushing the IF and Sons, since they're the posterboys of the box, but I dislike the idea that everyone else is supposed to... make do? with temporarily blu-tacked pads if they're a later legion and want chapter icons?

Voss wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Who wants to take bets on how long it takes to get all 18 legions their upgrades

"In due course" doesn't sound encouraging for a FW timescale

Yeah, that does sound bad. I can vaguely understand rushing the IF and Sons, since they're the posterboys of the box, but I dislike the idea that everyone else is supposed to... make do? with temporarily blu-tacked pads if they're a later legion and want chapter icons?

This has been the state of 30k since it's inception. In fact, we STILL don't have a Raven Guard or Emperor's Children praetor kit. It took a long time for everyone to get their Primarchs, for everyone to get their various 'specail units' and whatnot.

Either do what you suggest and use some poster tack on some stuff, get some 3rd party shoulder pads from a 3d printer company, or go with transfers instead, if they come back.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Who wants to take bets on how long it takes to get all 18 legions their upgrades

"In due course" doesn't sound encouraging for a FW timescale

A few days? Third party 3d modellers are very quick in that regard.

 warboss wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Who wants to take bets on how long it takes to get all 18 legions their upgrades

"In due course" doesn't sound encouraging for a FW timescale

A few days? Third party 3d modellers are very quick in that regard.

You can already get them all

Or make yours yourself, given there's vector images of all legions and 3d builder is free...

Also, there already are upgrade kits for many first founding chapters for 40K, and a lot of that stuff would be usable in HH as well.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Looks like we are getting Legion specific Bonces and Badges, albeit in Resin.

Imperial Fists are first out the gate, with more to follow.

Massive OOF.

Resin? The whole point of this is to get away from Resin, not dig further into it. Titanium Class Hard Pass for me. I'll stick with Transfers.

On that note though, what's really annoying is that they've literally released these pads in plastic for 40K before. Death Watch kits, and individual upgrade kits both firstborne and primaris. What in tarnation caused this to happen?!

Presumably, because the plastic kits already exist. Why have 2 plastic Imperial Fist upgrade sprues and not just one?

Mk. VI pads don’t have rims around them. So if you want to have a “pure” set of beakie armor, you can’t use the normal upgrade sprues.

IIRC, resin weapon upgrades for Necromunda preceded the current plastic ones. Maybe we are going to see a similar progression here? As in, if HH 2.0 turns out to be a success for GW, plastic upgrade kits will follow, possibly coinciding with the individual legion codex releases which are presumably already on the roadmap?

I don't mind resin heads & shoulderpads BLACK bit. They are among the easiest parts to neatly superglue onto a plastic miniature. My only gripe is that the shoulderpad iconography kit could have cost a bit more and thrown the pauldron sides into the kit as well, to save us OCD types from having to deal with WHITE-part pauldron pads..

 Albertorius wrote:

 warboss wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Who wants to take bets on how long it takes to get all 18 legions their upgrades

"In due course" doesn't sound encouraging for a FW timescale

A few days? Third party 3d modellers are very quick in that regard.

You can already get them all

Or make yours yourself, given there's vector images of all legions and 3d builder is free...

Well, being the kind hearted soul I am, I'm giving them a few days to adapt their designs to either split them apart or put in grooves simulating two part shoulder pads.

Are people seriously getting upset over the "we're sure he'll emerge from this fiasco without a scratch" comment about Sanguinius? It's genuinely funny. We all know what happens. We all know what the story is. It's just a light-hearted poke at some fictional lore.

I'm pretty sure we don't have to be grimdark to be able to be into grimdark.

 Gert wrote:

Billicus wrote:
Typically boilerplate set of rules in the blood angels preview, +1 to wound on the charge and access to inferno pistols, yaaaay. Meanwhile Dark angels get all this hexagrammamammaton bs

It isn't a full rules preview. Did you not notice that the Dark Angels didn't get a Legion Trait or the Blood Angels their unique Reaction or Warlord trait?

I did notice that, but I also noticed that the Dark Angels got the hexagrammaton wings, but there was no mention or hint at anything so detailed for Blood Angels, which was the point I was making. If you're holding out hope that there'll be something that detailed they just decided to leave out of the preview in favour of the things we all already know about, I laugh, because that's daft as hell.

Didn't they say at the start of this only core stuff was going to be plastic and anything legion specific stay at FW? So legion upgrades and specific units are staying resin.

Billicus wrote:
I did notice that, but I also noticed that the Dark Angels got the hexagrammaton wings, but there was no mention or hint at anything so detailed for Blood Angels, which was the point I was making. If you're holding out hope that there'll be something that detailed they just decided to leave out of the preview in favour of the things we all already know about, I laugh, because that's daft as hell.

The Dark Angels have the Hexagrammaton in the current version of the game and are the only Legion that has those rules. These aren't in-depth looks at the rules for each Legion.
I legitimately don't get what you are complaining about.
The Dark Angels got two rules previews, one about the Wings (where only two of the six were shown off), and the Legion specific Reaction. Blood Angels got two rules previews, the Legion trait, and that Plasma Pistols can be exchanged for Inferno Pistols. The Dark Angels got one brand new thing and it's purely down to a new game mechanic. The fact that the rules seem to be staying similar to their current version means that there won't be massive sweeping changes, which is good.

yeah having their own "wings" have always been the dark angels schtick.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Didn't they say at the start of this only core stuff was going to be plastic and anything legion specific stay at FW? So legion upgrades and specific units are staying resin.

I believe they did. But I have to wonder if they couldn't have dipped into the Primaris Lieutenant injection mold fund to offer at least a couple of loyalist and traitor upgrade sets in plastic.

I mean, aren't they trying to make this one of their major games? Resin is notoriously difficult to work with for newcomers, and comes with some serious health risks if you aren't aware of the need for proper ventilation. Just a really perplexing move on GW's part.

If you're getting health problems from resin shoulder pads then that's impressive.
I also love this weird notion that because optional upgrades are in resin, GW is somehow not making HH more accessible. Just ignore the 3 Tacticals, 2 Terminators, boxed set, Spartan, Contemptor, Sicaran, Rhinos and all the other stuff, resin shoulder pads and helmets just ruins the whole thing.

 Gert wrote:
If you're getting health problems from resin shoulder pads then that's impressive.

And as we all know, the shavings from regular GW plastic are far more healthy.

 crumby_cataphract wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Didn't they say at the start of this only core stuff was going to be plastic and anything legion specific stay at FW? So legion upgrades and specific units are staying resin.

I believe they did. But I have to wonder if they couldn't have dipped into the Primaris Lieutenant injection mold fund to offer at least a couple of loyalist and traitor upgrade sets in plastic.

I mean, aren't they trying to make this one of their major games? Resin is notoriously difficult to work with for newcomers, and comes with some serious health risks if you aren't aware of the need for proper ventilation. Just a really perplexing move on GW's part.

When is the last time we've had a Primaris Lieutenant? We had an Ancient and Gravis captain recently, and promos have included the Imperium Captain and a couple Necron characters and an inquisitor.

Resin is actually the best material for heads and shoulder pads IMO. It means they can have many varieties with sharp details and undercuts, and being small parts you don't have nearly as many issues with warpage or flash and less chance of mould slippage.


BUT... the problem is FW. FW currently charge $2.30 per shoulder pad and $2.40 per head and you have to order them direct. Feth that for a joke.

I'll probably get *a* set of shoulder pads to make a press mold with. Heads will come down to batwings or not as I don't really like the 3rd party beaky batwing options.

Given the consternation we've seen on the topic of shoulder pad seams brought about by two-piece studded pauldrons, I think resin as a medium for new pads is perfectly fine going forward.


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 MajorWesJanson wrote:
When is the last time we've had a Primaris Lieutenant?

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