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Albertorius wrote: So, the Mark VIs are a single sprue plus a small options one instead of the triple ones used for the Mark IIIs and IVs.
I'm sure that for them it will be very good, what with a third of the price for the same retail value, but for me it's very disappointing to see they're going the Necromunda way.
It's a bit disappointing, but if any kit can get away with only 5 poses it's probably rank and file HH marines. They're not unique distinctive designs like most Necromunda models, they don't have robes/coats that stand out when there's duplicates, it's literally just the pose. We've already seen pictures of the finished models and I didn't even notice there were only 5 poses.
Conversely, I noticed pretty much immediately that there were only 5 poses. And 3 of them are basically the same anyway.
Albertorius wrote: So, the Mark VIs are a single sprue plus a small options one instead of the triple ones used for the Mark IIIs and IVs.
I'm sure that for them it will be very good, what with a third of the price for the same retail value, but for me it's very disappointing to see they're going the Necromunda way.
It's a bit disappointing, but if any kit can get away with only 5 poses it's probably rank and file HH marines. They're not unique distinctive designs like most Necromunda models, they don't have robes/coats that stand out when there's duplicates, it's literally just the pose. We've already seen pictures of the finished models and I didn't even notice there were only 5 poses.
Conversely, I noticed pretty much immediately that there were only 5 poses. And 3 of them are basically the same anyway.
Yeah, it was immediately obvious to me too that the poses were limited. I just didn't realise exactly how limited.
I understand how the business world works and that for GW the most important thing is profit, but I think that they've gone too far here. They have severely limited the kit purely to increase the profit margin.
I'm understanding the price point of the bundle more now, it's not as good value as it first seemed.
I don't want to come across as yet another of Dakka's eternal moaners, so I won't say an more on the subject. I've said my piece.
tneva82 wrote: People wanted "dynamic" poses, gw provides. Flip side being less poses
Nothing stopped them from making sprues of 10 dudes, instead of 5. In fact, given how basic Marine squads are bigger in HH, it would be a much better idea.
"Tabletop games are the only setting when a body is made more horrifying for NOT being chopped into smaller pieces."
- Jiado
ImAGeek wrote: Yeah I don’t like that. Could have easily gone with 10 unique poses for the same sprues as the other Mks. (Although I don’t agree about the space the split shoulder pads take up, it’s barely more than the normal ones and the space you’d save wouldn’t offer anything meaningful).
They'll all be unique and also highly flexible at the same time. There's no such thing as mono-pose.
tneva82 wrote: People wanted "dynamic" poses, gw provides. Flip side being less poses
That's clearly false, as every time I've mentioned that in the past I've been screamed at for not knowing what I was talking about. Therefore it cannot possibly be true.
The poses are dynamic, and there are lots of them. Mono-pose is a myth put out there by GW haters. Nothing more.
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Albertorius wrote: So, the Mark VIs are a single sprue plus a small options one instead of the triple ones used for the Mark IIIs and IVs.
I'm sure that for them it will be very good, what with a third of the price for the same retail value, but for me it's very disappointing to see they're going the Necromunda way.
It's a bit disappointing, but if any kit can get away with only 5 poses it's probably rank and file HH marines. They're not unique distinctive designs like most Necromunda models, they don't have robes/coats that stand out when there's duplicates, it's literally just the pose. We've already seen pictures of the finished models and I didn't even notice there were only 5 poses.
Conversely, I noticed pretty much immediately that there were only 5 poses. And 3 of them are basically the same anyway.
Yeah, it was immediately obvious to me too that the poses were limited. I just didn't realise exactly how limited.
Fair enough, maybe I wasn't as observant this time as I normally am, maybe too focused on the shoulder pad seams, lol.
Is there a good pic somewhere that shows the models lined up? I'm seeing walking left foot forward, walking right foot forward, wide standing stance 1, wide standing stance 2, and wide standing stance with right heel raised, I guess that's it.
But still, maybe I'll find it annoying as time goes on now that I've noticed it, but in general it's less egregious to me that there's only a few options for what is not supposed to be a dynamic pose.
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tneva82 wrote: People wanted "dynamic" poses, gw provides. Flip side being less poses
Err, these aren't really what I'd call dynamic posed models, lol.
Either way this is not really a "flip side" though, 5 poses seems below par for GW these days, DKoK had 10 poses, Ork Boyz had 10 poses (albeit they were terrible), Novitiates had 10 poses, Eldar Guardians had 10 poses. I don't follow all GW releases so maybe some 10 man kits have come out with only 5 poses, but the ones I bothered to check were all 10 poses.
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Albertorius wrote: So, the Mark VIs are a single sprue plus a small options one instead of the triple ones used for the Mark IIIs and IVs.
I'm sure that for them it will be very good, what with a third of the price for the same retail value, but for me it's very disappointing to see they're going the Necromunda way.
It's a bit disappointing, but if any kit can get away with only 5 poses it's probably rank and file HH marines. They're not unique distinctive designs like most Necromunda models, they don't have robes/coats that stand out when there's duplicates, it's literally just the pose. We've already seen pictures of the finished models and I didn't even notice there were only 5 poses.
Conversely, I noticed pretty much immediately that there were only 5 poses. And 3 of them are basically the same anyway.
Yeah, it was immediately obvious to me too that the poses were limited. I just didn't realise exactly how limited.
Fair enough, maybe I wasn't as observant this time as I normally am, maybe too focused on the shoulder pad seams, lol.
Is there a good pic somewhere that shows the models lined up? I'm seeing walking left foot forward, walking right foot forward, wide standing stance 1, wide standing stance 2, and wide standing stance with right heel raised, I guess that's it.
But still, maybe I'll find it annoying as time goes on now that I've noticed it, but in general it's less egregious to me that there's only a few options for what is not supposed to be a dynamic pose.
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tneva82 wrote: People wanted "dynamic" poses, gw provides. Flip side being less poses
Err, these aren't really what I'd call dynamic posed models, lol.
Either way this is not really a "flip side" though, 5 poses seems below par for GW these days, DKoK had 10 poses, Ork Boyz had 10 poses (albeit they were terrible), Novitiates had 10 poses, Eldar Guardians had 10 poses. I don't follow all GW releases so maybe some 10 man kits have come out with only 5 poses, but the ones I bothered to check were all 10 poses.
Albertorius wrote: So, the Mark VIs are a single sprue plus a small options one instead of the triple ones used for the Mark IIIs and IVs.
I'm sure that for them it will be very good, what with a third of the price for the same retail value, but for me it's very disappointing to see they're going the Necromunda way.
It's a bit disappointing, but if any kit can get away with only 5 poses it's probably rank and file HH marines. They're not unique distinctive designs like most Necromunda models, they don't have robes/coats that stand out when there's duplicates, it's literally just the pose. We've already seen pictures of the finished models and I didn't even notice there were only 5 poses.
Conversely, I noticed pretty much immediately that there were only 5 poses. And 3 of them are basically the same anyway.
Yeah, it was immediately obvious to me too that the poses were limited. I just didn't realise exactly how limited.
Fair enough, maybe I wasn't as observant this time as I normally am, maybe too focused on the shoulder pad seams, lol.
Is there a good pic somewhere that shows the models lined up? I'm seeing walking left foot forward, walking right foot forward, wide standing stance 1, wide standing stance 2, and wide standing stance with right heel raised, I guess that's it.
But still, maybe I'll find it annoying as time goes on now that I've noticed it, but in general it's less egregious to me that there's only a few options for what is not supposed to be a dynamic pose.
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tneva82 wrote: People wanted "dynamic" poses, gw provides. Flip side being less poses
Err, these aren't really what I'd call dynamic posed models, lol.
Either way this is not really a "flip side" though, 5 poses seems below par for GW these days, DKoK had 10 poses, Ork Boyz had 10 poses (albeit they were terrible), Novitiates had 10 poses, Eldar Guardians had 10 poses. I don't follow all GW releases so maybe some 10 man kits have come out with only 5 poses, but the ones I bothered to check were all 10 poses.
Thanks, it does stand out to me a bit more with them all displayed at a higher resolution side by side like that. But still, I'm not hating it anywhere near as much as I hated the Orks.
It's kinda odd that they didn't mix up the "wide stance" poses a bit more, they could have at least had one leaning on the front foot, one leaning on the back foot and another more balanced, would have given a bit more variety. I don't mind there's no running poses and no kneeling poses, as I kind of just picture these models just slowly advancing across the battlefield laying down suppressing fire as they go.
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AllSeeingSkink wrote: Thanks, it does stand out to me a bit more with them all displayed at a higher resolution side by side like that. But still, I'm not hating it anywhere near as much as I hated the Orks.
Yeah, I mean, at least these ones are much more neutral.
Considering the heads and arms are different, the only multipose feature we're missing is being able to pivot the torso, no?
Otherwise we're seeing the same "this one has a turned head" and "this one has the bolter held lower down, this one has the bolter held higher" that we've always seen with tacticals?
It's a bit disappointing, but if any kit can get away with only 5 poses it's probably rank and file HH marines. They're not unique distinctive designs like most Necromunda models, they don't have robes/coats that stand out when there's duplicates, it's literally just the pose. We've already seen pictures of the finished models and I didn't even notice there were only 5 poses.
I'm inclined to agree, especially as we still have options like head and shoulder pad swaps to bring us variety that way. I'm curious to see if older Firstborn arms will fit on MkVIs as well. They look like they might, but it could be the change in scale would make them just noticeably odd, like can sometimes happen using Firstborn parts with Primaris torsos.
I am curious to see if entire visually satisfying armies of MkVIs are feasible. Based on what I've seen so far, I'm edging towards a "not really".
JWBS wrote: The torso twist is the holy grail of ful!lEy cust0mIsAbblle! appreciators. But essentially, yes.
Honestly, here the lack of body variety (5 poses, but 2 so similar to others that it's esentially 3 poses) is a much bigger problem, which they would have avoided had they allocated the same resources to them as they did to past marine releases.
They're simply doing stuff on the cheapo, now.
10 "single pose" bodies with a mite more variation would have been more than enough.
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Finally we see the sprues! I am relieved, all of the 5 beakies have one leg cut off from the torso. This means that there should be some chance for slightly converting the poses further for more variety. Also, that zorgadork video demonstrates that these should be easy enough to kitbash with existing HH bits
The Spartan indeed looks massive, and the Contemptor is looking a modeler's dream! Think I'm going to have to get this box.. Hopefully the euro price will still be a bargain.
"The larger point though, is that as players, we have more control over what the game looks and feels like than most of us are willing to use in order to solve our own problems"
Albertorius wrote: Well, well, well... it seems I have my 15mm beakie needs covered already:
Spoiler:
Or some, at least...
Terrific! When GW drops the ball 3D-printers go BRRRRRRRRRRT!
Every time someone posts "3d-printers go Brrrrrt", GW sells another million dollars worth of plastic miniatures. Its the quietest "brrrt" I've (n)ever heard, because the market overwhelmingly continues to not give a feth about 3d printing as an alternative to GWs plastics despite 3d printing evangelists insistence that 3d printing matters.
JWBS wrote: Bodies have always been the same though Albertorius. Don't make me tap the "classic tacticals" sign again! Okay I'm gonna do it anyway
Wait, i've seen this before. Next HBMC is going to post his dumb "7 stages of grief" thing or whatever it is and say "you are here", and then we are going to go into how its good actually that all the super-highly-posable classic tactical marines that always end up having the exact same pose as eachother are better, actually, because they all blend in together as a unit on the table, whereas the new dynamically monopose marines are really bad because they "stand out".
CoALabaer wrote: Wargamers hate two things: the state of the game and change.
JWBS wrote: Bodies have always been the same though Albertorius. Don't make me tap the "classic tacticals" sign again! Okay I'm gonna do it anyway
I don't fully disagree. As long as heads are fully posable and arms are interchangeable with bodies, the supposed "torso twist" isn't necessary. Intercessors prove that despite Primaris haters saying otherwise.
JWBS wrote: Bodies have always been the same though Albertorius. Don't make me tap the "classic tacticals" sign again! Okay I'm gonna do it anyway
Spoiler:
Very much agree to disagree, there.
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chaos0xomega wrote: Every time someone posts "3d-printers go Brrrrrt", GW sells another million dollars worth of plastic miniatures. Its the quietest "brrrt" I've (n)ever heard, because the market overwhelmingly continues to not give a feth about 3d printing as an alternative to GWs plastics despite 3d printing evangelists insistence that 3d printing matters.
Hey, if it bothers you so much you can simply ignore it, mate.
Wait, i've seen this before. Next HBMC is going to post his dumb "7 stages of grief" thing or whatever it is and say "you are here", and then we are going to go into how its good actually that all the super-highly-posable classic tactical marines that always end up having the exact same pose as eachother are better, actually, because they all blend in together as a unit on the table, whereas the new dynamically monopose marines are really bad because they "stand out".
The new "dynamic" aren't. It's more the fact there's really 3 different ones than anything else.
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Wait, i've seen this before. Next HBMC is going to post his dumb "7 stages of grief" thing or whatever it is and say "you are here", and then we are going to go into how its good actually that all the super-highly-posable classic tactical marines that always end up having the exact same pose as eachother are better, actually, because they all blend in together as a unit on the table, whereas the new dynamically monopose marines are really bad because they "stand out".
This kind of posturing to fan up the conflict is doing more harm to this forum than HBMC ever could. I wish both of you would just move on.
Agamemnon2 wrote: I am curious to see if entire visually satisfying armies of MkVIs are feasible. Based on what I've seen so far, I'm edging towards a "not really".
I'm not generally a fan of beaky marines specifically, but I kind of like the pictures we've seen so far of armies of them. I kind of like the simplicity of them, there's not a lot going on which I think can look good on a horde.
If I buy them, I'll head swap them and maybe shoulder swap them, haven't decided yet if I'm going to go ahead with that though, if I don't head swap them I'm not going to bother buying them because, yeah, not a fan of the beaky heads.
Once they release the assault marines to mix some runners into squads, and (presumably) a more extensive tactical kit it will be great. Personally I think the variety on display here is wholly acceptable for a value kit.
JWBS wrote: Once they release the assault marines to mix some runners into squads, and (presumably) a more extensive tactical kit it will be great. Personally I think the variety on display here is wholly acceptable for a value kit.
When you say "value kit", have we had any news suggesting a price for the individual boxed sets?
JWBS wrote: Once they release the assault marines to mix some runners into squads, and (presumably) a more extensive tactical kit it will be great. Personally I think the variety on display here is wholly acceptable for a value kit.
Maybe I've missed some info here, what makes you think that the MKVI kit in the large box set isn't the full MKVI kit that will be released separately?
JWBS wrote: Once they release the assault marines to mix some runners into squads, and (presumably) a more extensive tactical kit it will be great. Personally I think the variety on display here is wholly acceptable for a value kit.
Why would they release a "more extensive tactical kit"? Aren't Heresy tac-squads just 10-20 bolter lads, with options for sergeant, vox and legion icon fella?
Agamemnon2 wrote: I am curious to see if entire visually satisfying armies of MkVIs are feasible. Based on what I've seen so far, I'm edging towards a "not really".
I'm not generally a fan of beaky marines specifically, but I kind of like the pictures we've seen so far of armies of them. I kind of like the simplicity of them, there's not a lot going on which I think can look good on a horde.
If I buy them, I'll head swap them and maybe shoulder swap them, haven't decided yet if I'm going to go ahead with that though, if I don't head swap them I'm not going to bother buying them because, yeah, not a fan of the beaky heads.
Y do like the heads, personally, but the shoulders are gonna get swapped for sure.
