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 blood reaper wrote:

RazorEdge wrote:
Okay....

that's the absolute worst painting guide, I have ever seen on Warhammer TV, or even on youtube.... That guy's tutotials are bad but that on tops everything.

The Girl with the Blood Angels and Ultramarines is the best of their Video painters and the only one how can competive with Duncan from WHTV.

Have you seen the Imperial Guard weapon team tutorial?

It really is something else. IIRC, they deleted it when it was first uploaded because of the backlash and then reuploaded it.

Wow...Im not a good painter, and hardly even cares if people paint good or not as long as they paint...
But coming out of GW as a painting guide, that is just horrendous.

I honestly don't think the Son of Horus looks bad, it looks like a pretty decent tabletop standard that most people could achieve in a relatively short amount of time.

That Heavy Weapons team on the other hand......wooof.....that thing is awful.....probably should have left that video removed.

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Please can we stop crying endlessly about these paint jobs. Everyone in the thread gets it, some of you people aren't happy with them. It's clogging up the thread something awful and making it harder to browse for new information and leaks.

I don't like golf. I think it's stupid. But I don't spend 10% of my day going around telling anyone who will listen about the dangers of golf. I just simply talk about other things. Please let's just do the same with these tutorials.

The more I look at the praetor models, the more it feels they clash horribly with everything else in the release and, arguably, FW's other character releases.

They suffer from GW's obsession with sticking as many details on a model as possible. Every part of the model is competing for your attention and it comes across as a sea of noise. Less is more foiks.

RazorEdge wrote:
Okay....

that's the absolute worst painting guide, I have ever seen on Warhammer TV, or even on youtube.... That guy's tutotials are bad but that on tops everything.

The Girl with the Blood Angels and Ultramarines is the best of their Video painters and the only one how can competive with Duncan from WHTV.

Are you kidding?

That's one of the few half decent tutorials in the series. It looks better than the majority of models you're likely to see at the local gaming club / store and it can be painted quickly enough that a normal person might actually have a chance of getting an army completed. Versus their normal style of painting that results in a mediocre paint job that takes an excessively long time to paint.

I can certainly complain about it, for good drybrushing tutorials the Artis Opus channel is currently the place to go, but at least it's heading in the right direction for me (the right direction either being fast to paint table top quality, or high quality paint jobs).


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 Togusa wrote:
Please can we stop crying endlessly about these paint jobs. Everyone in the thread gets it, some of you people aren't happy with them. It's clogging up the thread something awful and making it harder to browse for new information and leaks.

I don't like golf. I think it's stupid. But I don't spend 10% of my day going around telling anyone who will listen about the dangers of golf. I just simply talk about other things. Please let's just do the same with these tutorials.

I would suggest if you don't like clogged up news threads you look for your news somewhere that isn't Dakka

 jojo_monkey_boy wrote:
The more I look at the praetor models, the more it feels they clash horribly with everything else in the release and, arguably, FW's other character releases.

They suffer from GW's obsession with sticking as many details on a model as possible. Every part of the model is competing for your attention and it comes across as a sea of noise. Less is more foiks.

Ahem..

I'll stop there because there are loads of FW Character models and HQs that are very much in the same vein as the new Praetors.

 jojo_monkey_boy wrote:
The more I look at the praetor models, the more it feels they clash horribly with everything else in the release and, arguably, FW's other character releases.

They suffer from GW's obsession with sticking as many details on a model as possible. Every part of the model is competing for your attention and it comes across as a sea of noise. Less is more foiks.

I don't know, recent HH relases are pretty damn detailed.

 jojo_monkey_boy wrote:


They suffer from GW's obsession with sticking as many details on a model as possible. Every part of the model is competing for your attention and it comes across as a sea of noise. Less is more foiks.

I agree with the sentiment, they do this a lot, but in this case I think they are treading the line properly.

 jojo_monkey_boy wrote:
The more I look at the praetor models, the more it feels they clash horribly with everything else in the release and, arguably, FW's other character releases.

They suffer from GW's obsession with sticking as many details on a model as possible. Every part of the model is competing for your attention and it comes across as a sea of noise. Less is more foiks.

I agree. I don't know if its the details exactly - but I feel an awful lot of paint jobs seem to want the power armour, cloak, alternate colour on shoulder pad and bling (and possibly weapons) to all simultaneously pop. Which, as you say, results in everything appealing for your attention so it feels like a noisy mess.

Whereas the rest of the models in the box are largely "notice the one or two tone armour popping" and that's it.

 jojo_monkey_boy wrote:
The more I look at the praetor models, the more it feels they clash horribly with everything else in the release and, arguably, FW's other character releases.

They suffer from GW's obsession with sticking as many details on a model as possible. Every part of the model is competing for your attention and it comes across as a sea of noise. Less is more foiks.

I already expressed my opinion that the praetor models do not respect the original minimalist desgn language of the MKVI armour. This is also what is off about them, too busy.

I'm thinking the designers expect people to heavily kitbash/convert these in order to make em their own

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

RazorEdge wrote:
Okay....

that's the absolute worst painting guide, I have ever seen on Warhammer TV, or even on youtube.... That guy's tutotials are bad but that on tops everything.

The Girl with the Blood Angels and Ultramarines is the best of their Video painters and the only one how can competive with Duncan from WHTV.

Are you kidding?

That's one of the few half decent tutorials in the series. It looks better than the majority of models you're likely to see at the local gaming club / store and it can be painted quickly enough that a normal person might actually have a chance of getting an army completed. Versus their normal style of painting that results in a mediocre paint job that takes an excessively long time to paint.

I can certainly complain about it, for good drybrushing tutorials the Artis Opus channel is currently the place to go, but at least it's heading in the right direction for me (the right direction either being fast to paint table top quality, or high quality paint jobs).

Agreed. I wouldn't paint this way, but it actually offers something quick and achievable. The other ones are really inefficient.

Someone painted up the model using the GW tutorial and I think it came out nicely.

It's good battle ready standard. Not something to aim for winninr paint competition but level that will enchance gaming experience. Looks like gw's goal archieved

To be fair, I don't think anyone is expecting GW to give out painting competition quality tutorials for free. That's why we have Warhammer+

It’s….it’s almost as if GW are focussing on making the various parts of the wider hobby as accessible as possible, hence not arsing about with intricate painting tutorials which set a false perception of minimum standard….

I think that's a perfectly good son of horus, some of the tutorials have been crap but that looks fine

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
It’s….it’s almost as if GW are focussing on making the various parts of the wider hobby as accessible as possible, hence not arsing about with intricate painting tutorials which set a false perception of minimum standard….

There used to be the terminology of a 1 foot model or a 2 foot model or a 4 foot model, indicating that it looks good viewed from 1 foot or 2 feet or 4 feet. I'd say that paint job is good for a 2 footer, and maybe a 1 footer if the drybrush is done a bit smoother and maybe in a couple of steps. It's not a "take photo with macro lens and display on a 32" computer monitor" quality model, but most people aren't doing that.

Billicus wrote:
I think that's a perfectly good son of horus, some of the tutorials have been crap but that looks fine

it might just be the angle but it looks like he missed a bit of paint on the shoulderpad but other then that it's pretty good

 tauist wrote:

 jojo_monkey_boy wrote:
The more I look at the praetor models, the more it feels they clash horribly with everything else in the release and, arguably, FW's other character releases.

They suffer from GW's obsession with sticking as many details on a model as possible. Every part of the model is competing for your attention and it comes across as a sea of noise. Less is more foiks.

I already expressed my opinion that the praetor models do not respect the original minimalist desgn language of the MKVI armour. This is also what is off about them, too busy.

I'm thinking the designers expect people to heavily kitbash/convert these in order to make em their own

Sure. They designed them with the idea no one would like them. Riiiight.

 JohnnyHell wrote:

 tauist wrote:

 jojo_monkey_boy wrote:
The more I look at the praetor models, the more it feels they clash horribly with everything else in the release and, arguably, FW's other character releases.

They suffer from GW's obsession with sticking as many details on a model as possible. Every part of the model is competing for your attention and it comes across as a sea of noise. Less is more foiks.

I already expressed my opinion that the praetor models do not respect the original minimalist desgn language of the MKVI armour. This is also what is off about them, too busy.

I'm thinking the designers expect people to heavily kitbash/convert these in order to make em their own

Sure. They designed them with the idea no one would like them. Riiiight.

personaly I think if they intended heavy kitbashing they would have made them much more minimalist. early primaris marines where designed fairly minimalist for just that purpose

Good from afar, is far from good.

But on the table they'll look good. I'd add some physical battle damage to the models before priming so they pop without needing ornamentation overload.

I'm interested to compare the 18ths video to how I do them...


Currently feeling restrained pessimism and unbridled joy.

But adding up what was stolen yesterday is rather deflating.

I like the Praetors, but I understand the issue some people have. It isn't really the amount of bling I don't think, it's that by the time a marine hits praetor level, each legion has a fairly distinct design language and the new plastic praetors both dont match existing legions but also have their own distinct florishes, like they belong to a 19th(21st) Legion









Sword Praetor can sorta fit into Imperial Fists or White Scars, but the bubble shoulder pads and vented trim stand out, and while the axe praetor has elements in common with death guard and sons of horus, it also has the vented trims and more elaborate armor edging. The details are fine on their own, but trying to picture them as a specific legion gives an uncanny valley effect.

Leaks ahoy. Some great stuff, and some less than great stuff (e.g. confirmation of no jump packs for Palatines, Reavers, etc)

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/The-Horus-Heresy?N=1513056490&Nr=AND%28sku.siteId%3AGB_gw%2Cproduct.locale%3Aen_GB_gw%29&Nrs=collection%28%29%2Frecord%5Bproduct.startDate+%3C%3D+1653694860000+and+product.endDate+%3E%3D+1653694860000%5D

HH added to the GW website. Just a few books for now.

 Marshal Loss wrote:
Leaks ahoy. Some great stuff, and some less than great stuff (e.g. confirmation of no jump packs for Palatines, Reavers, etc)

*sigh* And it's all just legion-specific stuff. The only thing I really need to know is whether or not standard breacher squads can take all volkite chargers like the older leaks had. Don't want to buy and build 40 volkite-armed breachers until I know for certain.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
I like the Praetors, but I understand the issue some people have. It isn't really the amount of bling I don't think, it's that by the time a marine hits praetor level, each legion has a fairly distinct design language and the new plastic praetors both dont match existing legions but also have their own distinct florishes.

Sword Praetor can sorta fit into Imperial Fists or White Scars, but the bubble shoulder pads and vented trim stand out, and while the axe praetor has elements in common with death guard and sons of horus, it also has the vented trims and more elaborate armor edging. The details are fine on their own, but trying to picture them as a specific legion gives an uncanny valley effect.

Speak for yourself, I always wanted some XIth legion Praetors

 Tannhauser42 wrote:

 Marshal Loss wrote:
Leaks ahoy. Some great stuff, and some less than great stuff (e.g. confirmation of no jump packs for Palatines, Reavers, etc)

*sigh* And it's all just legion-specific stuff. The only thing I really need to know is whether or not standard breacher squads can take all volkite chargers like the older leaks had. Don't want to buy and build 40 volkite-armed breachers until I know for certain.

I'm curious if the Cataphratcii kept their datasheet from the leaks, or if they are getting the more limited one that was in the starter box.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 themonk wrote:
We've got some real Golden Demon finalists on this thread.

Is being a Golden Demon finalist a prerequisite for commenting on painting tutorials?

Joke, dude.

 GaroRobe wrote:

Spoiler:

Someone painted up the model using the GW tutorial and I think it came out nicely.

That image is taken from the GW video.

You can rescale that image so that it appears the size of an actual model, so if you're viewing this on a 96 dpi screen which is pretty typical (or a screen scaled to be equivalent to 96 dpi) this is how big the model is in reality...



Many years ago (pre-Dakka) I had some pics of my models on the internet, and one day I showed up to the club and a friend saw the models in person that he'd seen on the internet and commented that they looked heaps better in person and the flaws that were obvious in the photos or blends that looked rough in the photos weren't noticeable on the table top. It made me realise if I'm not painting for a competition it's fine to use stuff that maybe doesn't look great in photos.