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Gert wrote:GW has said that the box will be around for good.
Slinky wrote:They have indicated that it's not a splash release and will be around for a bit, but what that means in practice is not yet clear
this is what Adam and Eddie said on the stream:
"a new box game for warhammer"
"it's not a limited release"
"expecting to have lots and lots of copies, there will be enough for everybody, it'll be on shelves for the foreseeable future"
"of course if things go mad and everyone buys it, we'll have to make more"
From those quotes, I would infer it will be like Indomitus, wherein there are X number of launch copies, and then a Made To Order when they run out ("not a limited release", "we'll have to make more" - ie everyone who wants one will be able to get one, even if it's a MTO), and will eventually go out of production ("foreseeable future"). (and then, in my estimation, be replaced by one to three starter sets)
Personally I absolutely do not expect it to be in production after a certain amount of time (several months, after initial stock and reprints for reorders and for MTO's).
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judgedoug wrote: this is what Adam and Eddie said on the stream:
"a new box game for warhammer"
"it's not a limited release"
"expecting to have lots and lots of copies, there will be enough for everybody, it'll be on shelves for the foreseeable future"
"of course if things go mad and everyone buys it, we'll have to make more"
From those quotes, I would infer it will be like Indomitus, wherein there are X number of launch copies, and then a Made To Order when they run out ("not a limited release", "we'll have to make more" - ie everyone who wants one will be able to get one, even if it's a MTO), and will eventually go out of production ("foreseeable future"). (and then, in my estimation, be replaced by one to three starter sets)
Personally I absolutely do not expect it to be in production after a certain amount of time (several months, after initial stock and reprints for reorders and for MTO's).
Except Indomitus was a limited release as was Dominion. At no point did GW every say those boxes were not limited sets. Conversely, the AoD boxset is said to not be limited and will be on sale for some time.
I legitimately don't know how you can think the latter is the same as the former.
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Well for one gw keeps using term "launch box" which so far been 100% indomitus style. Gw been using terms launch box and starter set consistently so far. This being until new edition would be first inconsistent usage by gw
judgedoug wrote: this is what Adam and Eddie said on the stream:
"a new box game for warhammer"
"it's not a limited release"
"expecting to have lots and lots of copies, there will be enough for everybody, it'll be on shelves for the foreseeable future"
"of course if things go mad and everyone buys it, we'll have to make more"
From those quotes, I would infer it will be like Indomitus, wherein there are X number of launch copies, and then a Made To Order when they run out ("not a limited release", "we'll have to make more" - ie everyone who wants one will be able to get one, even if it's a MTO), and will eventually go out of production ("foreseeable future"). (and then, in my estimation, be replaced by one to three starter sets)
Personally I absolutely do not expect it to be in production after a certain amount of time (several months, after initial stock and reprints for reorders and for MTO's).
Except Indomitus was a limited release as was Dominion. At no point did GW every say those boxes were not limited sets. Conversely, the AoD boxset is said to not be limited and will be on sale for some time.
I legitimately don't know how you can think the latter is the same as the former.
I would love my inferences to be incorrect, but I would rather prepare for the worst by reading between the lines than assume the best. I hope GW proves me wrong.
"...and special thanks to Judgedoug!" - Alessio Cavatore "Now you've gone too far Doug! ... Too far... " - Rick Priestley "I've decided that I'd rather not have you as a member of TMP." - Editor, The Miniatures Page "I'd rather put my testicles through a mangle than spend any time gaming with you." - Richard, TooFatLardies "We need a Doug Craig in every store." - Warlord Games "Thank you for being here, Judge Doug!" - Adam Troke
You can also never trust what they say, really. They've even been known to go back and redact / fully delete warcom and social media posts. They profit from this uncertainty via fomo.
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It's a launch box for the new edition & it's here to stay!
That's a bit of an unfortunate statement. The term "launch box" has so far been used specifically for limited time releases. Of course the bottom line is good since as has been noted contents are good for the price, so the box sticking around is very welcome.
It just makes things more uncertain in the future as GW doesn't seem to have an interest in clear terminology. No shock there, I guess.
Limited stuff is limited. In the CCC it was the opposite of "FOMO" as they said the box will be available for a while and it was not. It was a disaster, but you can't tell me it was on purpose. Since then they added a guarantee for several boxes to avoid something like that.
Btw, 'FOMO' isn't the best term to use as it is a psychological problem. If it's used like the fear of missing a good deal, you can find it in every supermarket.
Racerguy180 wrote: My entire 30k/40k force which was replicating war of the beast Salamanders.
It was all Mkiii & iv with my original RTB-01 squad. Everything but the Rtb's had FW upgrades and all vehicles were Deimos/LR Helios/resin FW stuff.
Luckily I have receipts for pretty much everything sp INS will pay up but my time and effort in to making them look they way they did can't be redressed...
I think I'd missed that - sorry to hear about it, dude.
Thanks, this whole thing is just a massive kick in the junk.
My entire 30k/40k force which was replicating war of the beast Salamanders.
It was all Mkiii & iv with my original RTB-01 squad. Everything but the Rtb's had FW upgrades and all vehicles were Deimos/LR Helios/resin FW stuff.
Luckily I have receipts for pretty much everything sp INS will pay up but my time and effort in to making them look they way they did can't be redressed...
Oh my God that's awful, so glad that insurance will cover it.
Still am out my deductible, but it'll definitely make replacing this less painful(in the wallet).
I appreciate the feelings.
I can't decide how I feel about GW doubling up the books for loyalists/traitors versus the way FW had previously done it with a distinct list book and another for the legions themselves.
It's less books to carry but more to buy if you want access to all the legions' rules.
It's the same amount of books as before except now you only have to bring one army book to a game to be able to play anything more than a basic list with no Legion traits, characters, or units.
Gert wrote: It's the same amount of books as before except now you only have to bring one army book to a game to be able to play anything more than a basic list with no Legion traits, characters, or units.
These new books are significantly more expensive than the old ones (70 USD vs ~55) though.
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Kanluwen wrote: This is, emphatically, why I will continue suggesting nuking Guard and starting over again. It's a legacy army that needs to be rebooted with a new focal point.
Confirmation of why no-one should listen to Kanluwen when it comes to the IG - he doesn't want the IG, he want's Kan's New Model Army...
tneva82 wrote: You aren't even trying ty pretend for honest arqument. Open bad faith trolling.
- No reason to keep this here, unless people want to use it for something...
jojo_monkey_boy wrote: These new books are significantly more expensive than the old ones (70 USD vs ~55) though.
They're also much bigger (about double the size) and, once again, contain full army lists for each side rather than just generic units or specific units. It's a flat upgrade.
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Gert wrote: It's the same amount of books as before except now you only have to bring one army book to a game to be able to play anything more than a basic list with no Legion traits, characters, or units.
These new books are significantly more expensive than the old ones (70 USD vs ~55) though.
They're also much bigger (about double the size) and, once again, contain full army lists for each side rather than just generic units or specific units. It's a flat upgrade.
Think of it this way; they are roughly equivalent to Codex: Space Marines plus nine Codex Supplement: X books in 40K terms. Each. Yeah there’s a bunch of redundancy buying both but there you go.
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jojo_monkey_boy wrote: These new books are significantly more expensive than the old ones (70 USD vs ~55) though.
They're also much bigger (about double the size) and, once again, contain full army lists for each side rather than just generic units or specific units. It's a flat upgrade.
They are only double the size because they both contain the full army list. So that's a pretty moot point. You don't need that content twice.
jojo_monkey_boy wrote: They are only double the size because they both contain the full army list. So that's a pretty moot point. You don't need that content twice.
And the end result is still that you only need one army book to play HH as opposed to two. It's still a better option than the army lists being split into two books or having to carry about a book with all 18 Legions in it.
Broskis, army list splitting is pure personal preference, stop selling either way as better or worse.
This time it's two 350 page books, it could have been one 500 page book with no duplication, or 18 150 page books, most cost efficient if you only have 1 army. The only way to please everyone would be free online, and maybe not even then.
The old meta is dead and the new meta struggles to be born. Now is the time of munchkins.
Sorry if this has already been answered, but 183 pages of chat is a lot to wade through.
Do we know if Blackshields/personal Legions are still a thing in this new HH? Would hate to have to repaint my entire collection, seeing as the 2 books don't seem to mention the 3rd option of Marines during the HH, it might indicate that they are no longer a thing.
The objective of the game is to win. The point of the game is to have fun. The two should never be confused.
As of right now, there is no option to play Blackshields, Armies of Dark Compliance, or Shattered Legions likely due to the fact they were army themes rather than Legion rules.
stonehorse wrote: Sorry if this has already been answered, but 183 pages of chat is a lot to wade through.
Do we know if Blackshields/personal Legions are still a thing in this new HH? Would hate to have to repaint my entire collection, seeing as the 2 books don't seem to mention the 3rd option of Marines during the HH, it might indicate that they are no longer a thing.
Right now - we don't know. They might be getting a PDF (like the announced "Legacies of the Age of Darkness") or their own book later on, but I don't think anything has been officially stated yet.
Gert wrote: As of right now, there is no option to play Blackshields, Armies of Dark Compliance, or Shattered Legions likely due to the fact they were army themes rather than Legion rules.
Those types of armies seem like something for future campaign books
Opinions are not facts please don't confuse the two
