Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

Got my orders in, 1 copy of the box from one store, 2 copies of the box from another plus 2 kratos, 1 deimos, 1 liber hereticus, 1 liber astartes, 1 special weapon upgrade, 1 heavy weapon upgrade. Best part is the kratos and deimos are free and the rest is at a 25%+ discount

So the theory that ebay will be awash in cheap basic squads is…

 privateer4hire wrote:
So the theory that ebay will be awash in cheap basic squads is…

..still sound. I bet a big chunk of the initial preorders are being made by all manner of resellers.

Personally, I hope GW has made enough of the "limited" items coming with the direct orders so as to not sell out within the first 30 minutes. I'm also wondering whether my personal QueIt wait will be below the time in which these limited items sell out or not

This is fun! It's been a good while since I've even seen a preorder go live and have a QueIt trigger on me.. many of the past releases have been quite boring in that regard..

Billicus wrote:

 Destrado wrote:
Didn't GE say that this box wasn't limited? My flgs told me that they tried to get one today and the reply was that it's sold out.

I held for a bit because I had just ordered KT morochi, thinking that the HH box would be available for some time...

Any stores taking orders *before* the window starts are gambling on their stock allocation and setting people up for disappointment. It's not "sold out" anywhere because it isn't on sale. My guess is your local store have taken a bunch of peoples' money and are now worrying about fulfilling. I'd shop somewhere else tbh

I tried to put my order in today, I ordered KT:M with them, like a lot of other stuff before, it's pay on arrival. They are a small store, so likely they don't order expensive boxes without the client asking for it.

I should have ordered sooner but since the box was only coming out on Saturday I didn't think they wouldn't have any left to sell! Might try my luck with GW, though it's hard missing on those 20% discount, besides of course supporting a small store.

Just in time for Heresy? Rogue Trader and both Realms of Chaos books are coming back to WHW and the US Citadels,

Realms of Chaos are absolute must haves if you ask me.

 tauist wrote:

 privateer4hire wrote:
So the theory that ebay will be awash in cheap basic squads is…

..still sound. I bet a big chunk of the initial preorders are being made by all manner of resellers.

Personally, I hope GW has made enough of the "limited" items coming with the direct orders so as to not sell out within the first 30 minutes. I'm also wondering whether my personal QueIt wait will be below the time in which these limited items sell out or not

This is fun! It's been a good while since I've even seen a preorder go live and have a QueIt trigger on me.. many of the past releases have been quite boring in that regard..

yep, watched a person ask my local LGS manager if he could buy 50 boxes, pretty obvious what he plans to do with those, the same manager also speculated places like Wayland are likely getting 1500 boxes.

 privateer4hire wrote:
So the theory that ebay will be awash in cheap basic squads is…

So-so. I think there'll be a lot of people who genuinely want the lot to start 30k and a good amount who don't/can't buy a £180 box but still want Beakies, but probably enough resellers that picking them up for below estimated RRP won't be too hard.

Cataptachtii I could see going for relatively cheap, since most existing 30k players will already have more than enough and they're not new models.

Spartan and the Contemptor will be the hot commodities.

I could see the axe Praetor going for a decent, but not crazy price. The sword Praetor will probably be the one people are desperate to get rid of for pennies.

Odds are you'll be able to grab a rulebook for pretty cheap after a few days if previous boxes have been any indication. Even Indomitus you could get for about £15-20 not long after.

I was planning on getting 2 before my stuff was stolen, now it's 1 + replacement rhinos, preds, mkiii & Kratos.

Plus the damn FW upgrades...

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
Nice. But, why no melee weapons?

This is just super weak.
At this point in gaming, and the price point they are charging, all options and spots to insert magnets for this type of model should be included. It would certainly save time having to drill holes in multiple parts as I do magnetise models like this.
I would still be buying multiples to run specific army builds.

 Waaagh_Gonads wrote:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
Nice. But, why no melee weapons?

This is just super weak.
At this point in gaming, and the price point they are charging, all options and spots to insert magnets for this type of model should be included. It would certainly save time having to drill holes in multiple parts as I do magnetise models like this.
I would still be buying multiples to run specific army builds.

The Levi's melee options are still up for sale on the FW store. My guess is that they'll be kept as resin upgrades.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Just in time for Heresy? Rogue Trader and both Realms of Chaos books are coming back to WHW and the US Citadels,

Realms of Chaos are absolute must haves if you ask me.

Agreed on the Rogue Trader book. I haven't had the Realms of Chaos books so can't say for certain about them but I'm hoping to get both Realms of Chaos books at the Los Angeles Cafe next week. I saw Slaves to Darkness on the Cafe's facebook but not Lost & The Damned.

Well, not long to go. I'm starting to get excited.1x big box, 1x loyalists book, 1x kratos, 1x heavy weapons for me. I hope there's no supply issue because next week will be another big box plus traitor book, rhinos, and special weapons. I'm starting to wonder now though. Maybe try to spend a bit more tomorrow idk.

With the surprise announcement of the Levi yesterday, what are the chances we get to see another new kit next HH Thursday next week?

The original rumors stated plastic demios Vindicators, Predators and Landraiders were all supposedly coming.


Automatically Appended Next Post:

JWBS wrote:
Well, not long to go. I'm starting to get excited.1x big box, 1x loyalists book, 1x kratos, 1x heavy weapons for me. I hope there's no supply issue because next week will be another big box plus traitor book, rhinos, and special weapons. I'm starting to wonder now though. Maybe try to spend a bit more tomorrow idk.

For me I'm just starting with one of the big boxes. I want to see all the rules so I can decide what to pick up next check. Defiantly going to grab a Kratos, that thing is the MBT I've been drooling for.

 Togusa wrote:
With the surprise announcement of the Levi yesterday, what are the chances we get to see another new kit next HH Thursday next week?

The original rumors stated plastic demios Vindicators, Predators and Landraiders were all supposedly coming.

If there is one, I’m going to guess either a despoiler squad upgrade kit or a centurion upgrade kit to convert the MkVI marines

 Togusa wrote:


The Levi's melee options are still up for sale on the FW store. My guess is that they'll be kept as resin upgrades.

Its certainly possible they will stay resin. But I just checked the FW(UK) web store and all the ranged options are still in stock as well.

Sprue pics are up. Kratos box has, what I suspect are multi-use sprues - one for the cupola's and one for the sponsons:





Expect those to be reused across most vehicles like Javelin's, Predators, etc (assume they get remade in plastic)

Also, Deimos Rhino has interior detail and looks ripe for an extra Predator or Whirlwind Scorpius upgrade:

Nice to (kind of) have an image of the missile launchers on a model

The amount of wasted space on the Heavy/Special Weapons sprue is almost funny. Couldn't add in some random bitz, GW? Melta bombs, perhaps?

$1200 NZ oneclick bundles.

chaos0xomega wrote:
Got my orders in, 1 copy of the box from one store, 2 copies of the box from another plus 2 kratos, 1 deimos, 1 liber hereticus, 1 liber astartes, 1 special weapon upgrade, 1 heavy weapon upgrade. Best part is the kratos and deimos are free and the rest is at a 25%+ discount

How the hell are you getting 25%? That must be a wicked generous FLGS.

I know people are (justifiably) concerned about the shoulder pad being in two pieces, but it looks to me like the exhaust stacks from the Kratos and Rhino also have a seam running right down the middle that will be really really challenging to smooth over.

Looking at the Phase 3 leaks and comparing it to the sponson sprue more things make sense. The Javelin got a Volkite Culverin option because they’re just tossing in the sponson sprue. Same with the Predator, Arquitor, Sicaran, Cerberus, and Typhon. Hmm… plastic superheavies? Yes, please!

Had a laugh at Aus procing, but even more at the rebranded Legion Scouts set - the current Space Marine Scouts without a heresy rebox.

Makes you wonder if the logical development path for this post Terra is scouring with all the current first born Marine content utilised for that phase.

 Formosa wrote:

 tauist wrote:

 privateer4hire wrote:
So the theory that ebay will be awash in cheap basic squads is…

..still sound. I bet a big chunk of the initial preorders are being made by all manner of resellers.

Personally, I hope GW has made enough of the "limited" items coming with the direct orders so as to not sell out within the first 30 minutes. I'm also wondering whether my personal QueIt wait will be below the time in which these limited items sell out or not

This is fun! It's been a good while since I've even seen a preorder go live and have a QueIt trigger on me.. many of the past releases have been quite boring in that regard..

yep, watched a person ask my local LGS manager if he could buy 50 boxes, pretty obvious what he plans to do with those, the same manager also speculated places like Wayland are likely getting 1500 boxes.

I hope your LGS told him to get the hell out

Hot damn that's some expensive gak...


The universal Rhino hull is clever. Good to see that that's being expanded upon. The Kratos sprues are also interesting, given that there's one whole sprue for each side. I guess it is a big tank. Plus that sweet ram-bar it has is part of those sprues - you get half on each one!

Looking at the release box again once I got over the original sticker shock - and converting each unit notional $$ price to my preferred early 2000's price bands (cos, you know time doesnt move for some of us), the box set is actually well priced and comes under what I would pay in my head if I was paying old price bands.

What I find most jarring though, is the next comparison I make which is to Indomitus. That was $290 direct in Australia for more individual miniatures, but probably equivalent plastic given how much plastic is in that Spartan. Both have a weighty tome so box weight is equivalent. So aside from GW inflation tax - what drives up pricing on a launch box by $185 in the course of 2 years. I accept worldwide shipping costs are higher than 2 years ago, but that kind of jump ruins the 'value' proposition, notwithstanding my earlier 2000 price band comparison.

A local FLGS is offering it at $380, but even to get to that level of spending comfort in my mind is taking some time. Ultimately, I think this price point, and the price point for individual items sitting alongside the big box release, and I imagine any future releases for Heresy or 40k more generally, has finally hit that point of pricing me out of this hobby. My discretionary spend each month is not large enough to stomach this kind of pricing strategy anymore.

To those of you getting in on this - I look forward to seeing what you and the rest of the community can do with the contents and will be happily lurking in the painting/build logs to see what people come up with.

I do love when they put out a 1 Click bundle with zero discount.

Makes me chuckle every time.

 TalonZahn wrote:
I do love when they put out a 1 Click bundle with zero discount.

Makes me chuckle every time.

Sad part is if there are at least 1/100 it was worth it to them.

Keel wrote:
The amount of wasted space on the Heavy/Special Weapons sprue is almost funny. Couldn't add in some random bitz, GW? Melta bombs, perhaps?

I am one to usually call out GW for lack of options, but in this very rare case, it kind of makes sense. Heavy support squads in HH have their main gun, possibly frag grenades (can't remember if they do)... And that is about it.

Only the Sargent can take some extra wargear, but seeing as he is also armed with a heavy weapon, it makes little sense giving him certain things. Also, I do believe FW still make the Mk2/3 and the Mk4/6 close combat/equipment upgrade packs, so they might still be trying to flog those (unless they pull a switcheroo and do plastic like the support/heavy weapons.)

I noticed that Australian independent retailers are offering the Kratos and Deimos at 20% discount... this would imply those items are NOT direct only as direct only items usually have much lesser discounts.

Does that mean the price list we saw earlier was wrong about those items being direct only? Perhaps they'll be direct only after the initial launch? Or maybe GW have changed their pricing strategy for direct only models?

No idea.

They certainly lack the "Direct Only" symbol on the GW site for us, but they're also listed as being "temporarily out of stock online" since pre-orders opened so who knows at this point