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 Strg Alt wrote:

So this means all the beakies pull specialist/heavy duty and the old Marks are destined to only carry bolters?

If you so wish.

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 lord_blackfang wrote:

Removed - rule #1

There's no need to be disgusting.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
For 1 in 10 dudes, which is not how HH Tactical Squads work.

Ok? Are we still pretending that there are no other options for sourcing Heavy and Special weapons?

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Ain't no simp here chief, just someone laughing at people who whine about anything and everything.

You can get all 30k weapons in 10's.

Want 10 plasma gun for support squad? Get pack of 10. Volkites? Ditto.

There's also this magical thing called "trading with friends".
Of course, that might be a concept many people who spend all their time complaining on this website are unfamiliar with.

Well that's actually less feasible as most want same current hot weapon anyway

There is no "hot" weapon for HH and each Legion has tactical preferences or even special rules that benefit some weapons over others ( i.e. Death Guard Chem Flamers or Salamanders buffs) which means that while you can take all the weapons, there aren't ones that will guarantee you wins or kills at all times.
Unless everyone is playing the exact same list in your area then swapping weapon spares won't be a problem.

And before people jump down my throat calling me a shill, yes the weapon packs could have been designed a little better but this is not the end of the world, get over yourselves.

What did people do for 10 plasma guns before? Did forgeworld do them? I know they did some weapon upgrades.

I bought loads of Kromlech lascannons for my death guard which were okay. Running 10 lascannons is a good way to lose friends, by the way

Billicus wrote:
What did people do for 10 plasma guns before? Did forgeworld do them? I know they did some weapon upgrades.

Pre-Calth the options were FW or using 40k parts. Post-Calth it was swapping spares or using FW/40k parts.

I bought loads of Kromlech lascannons for my death guard which were okay. Running 10 lascannons is a good way to lose friends, by the way

Meh, I've been running two units of 5 Lascannon Iron Havocs for about 2 years now and they get one good turn before losing good targets or getting nuked in retaliation.

Folk here seem to be forgetting…..

1. Whilst not ideal, FW still carry resin weapon packs for MkII-MkV. Packs of 10 for £15.50. Resin Heavy Weapons are also available, but run considerably more expensive as they’re 5 packs.

2. No plastic equivalent right now does not mean no plastic equivalent ever. You want to promote sales of your latest basic infantry kit? This is how you do it. Give them the Shiny Accompanying Toys - with exactly two thirds of fifty percent of absolutely bugger all preventing you boosting sales of the older, but newly repackaged kits by releasing their Special and Heavy Weapons at a later date.

Billicus wrote:
What did people do for 10 plasma guns before? Did forgeworld do them? I know they did some weapon upgrades.

I bought loads of Kromlech lascannons for my death guard which were okay. Running 10 lascannons is a good way to lose friends, by the way

Yes forge world had and still have weapon upgrade packs. That's where my mk3 and 4 got their weapons.

 Gert wrote:

Billicus wrote:
What did people do for 10 plasma guns before? Did forgeworld do them? I know they did some weapon upgrades.

Pre-Calth the options were FW or using 40k parts. Post-Calth it was swapping spares or using FW/40k parts.

I bought loads of Kromlech lascannons for my death guard which were okay. Running 10 lascannons is a good way to lose friends, by the way

Meh, I've been running two units of 5 Lascannon Iron Havocs for about 2 years now and they get one good turn before losing good targets or getting nuked in retaliation.

yeah so this is kind of my point, I'm not sure what has been lost for mk3/4 fans just because these mk6 weapon upgrades aren't compatible. Seemingly not much/anything.

They're only not compatible if you care about utter perfection at all points, which IMO is absurd.
We've seen one guy do one model with one type of conversion and it's time to get the pitchforks and torches again. I'm not surprised of course but it's such a joke to see people get this raging about it.

Yea i'm sure that guy was either totally incompetent or had worst luck possible getting the 1 combo that didn't fit.

Or the kit is working as intended and no mixing.

tneva82 wrote:
Yea i'm sure that guy was either totally incompetent or had worst luck possible getting the 1 combo that didn't fit.

Or the kit is working as intended and no mixing.

*sigh*
I didn't say they were incompetent or that they had bad luck, I said they've shown one way of doing it. Do you just give up trying at the first chance or do you keep going?
But from what I've seen unless everything is perfect and doesn't work on the first try, we should be burning down GW, which again is a laughably pathetic stance to take.

Nice to see the usual suspects rallying to GW's defence the moment a tiny bit of criticism is levelled their way. They should double, no triple your salary of £0.00 for such devoted service!

Results from the quiz are in. Be interesting to see how many of the results are from people picking a legion vs it just being what result they got from the quiz. A lot of people starting DA so them being at the top isn't a surprise but on the other hand I've seen loads of SOH newcomers and they're pretty low down.

 Midnightdeathblade wrote:

JWBS wrote:

 Midnightdeathblade wrote:
The fact they they deliberately designed these weapons to only fit MK6, or require extensive cutting is INDEFENSIBLE. If you think this is not the intent you're lying to yourself. Every marine kit since 2013 has followed the same weapon - arm layout and it suddenly changes here? Alongside kits that follow this tried and true method. Yeah that makes a ton of sense.

This is a gak tier marketing tactic. Yup you can cut it, but having to cut and greenstuff a gap that shouldn't even be there in the first place is so fething stupid. They obviously just want you to buy mk6 and not use that nice juicy bits box of special weapons you have stocked up. And people with limited hobby capabilities will not even bother. This also means any future infantry will have the same design.

You can paste mkiii arms onto mkiv / primaris bodies? Just eyeing the various kits, I'd bet money you can't.

I knew in the back of my head that someone would read my statement of "every marine kit since 2013" and bring up fething primaris marines. I just didn't think it would happen immediately lmao. Lets clear this up, FIRST-BORN MARINE KITS.

You weren't very clear and I wasn't trying to take your point out of context. Regardless, the problem with your desire for backwards compatibility going all the way back to the first of the firstborn is that it restricts design space, and not by a little bit, it's a lot, as has been explained by a few people in the last couple of pages. I can just about see why you'd prefer one design philosophy over another, personally I prefer the one they've chosen since imo the upside is huge. Doesn't mean I'm some sort of fawning lickspittle mouthpiece for GW (wasn't you who made this magnificently hyperbolic accusation).

 Gert wrote:

 Strg Alt wrote:
So this means all the beakies pull specialist/heavy duty and the old Marks are destined to only carry bolters?

The MkIV kit comes with Missile Launchers, Heavy Bolters, Plasma Guns, Meltaguns, and Flamers. The MkIII kit drops the Missiles and keeps everything else.

The best part of all of this is how precious people are being about doing the absolute bare minimum work to make the new weapons fit the older models. You should try doing HH when your options are insanely expensive FW kits or scrounging together what parts you can from 40k units.

It's mind boggling how people I thought were veteran gamers, modellers, painters, etc, are getting so upset about a few millimetres of a gap at a wrist, isn't it? It's not just me, surely?

And I'm assuming that some of these people have bought and made Forgeworld kits before.

You know, it's one thing to be having to fill in several millimetres worth of gaps in eye-wateringly expensive resin kits in which all the pieces are actually intended to work together, and perhaps another thing entirely to be engaging in ALL CAPS ACCUSATIONS OF PROFITEERING when trying to fit two kits made nearly a decade apart from another that don't even amount to quite the same amount of cutting or greenstuffing work as the afore-mentioned Forgeworld models.

IS IT ME? Am I the only person looking at that picture going "That... looks like it can be absolutely fine...?"

Ah the old "you're not allowed to complain because even worse things exist" defense.

 ekwatts wrote:

 Gert wrote:

 Strg Alt wrote:
So this means all the beakies pull specialist/heavy duty and the old Marks are destined to only carry bolters?

The MkIV kit comes with Missile Launchers, Heavy Bolters, Plasma Guns, Meltaguns, and Flamers. The MkIII kit drops the Missiles and keeps everything else.

The best part of all of this is how precious people are being about doing the absolute bare minimum work to make the new weapons fit the older models. You should try doing HH when your options are insanely expensive FW kits or scrounging together what parts you can from 40k units.

It's mind boggling how people I thought were veteran gamers, modellers, painters, etc, are getting so upset about a few millimetres of a gap at a wrist, isn't it? It's not just me, surely?

And I'm assuming that some of these people have bought and made Forgeworld kits before.

You know, it's one thing to be having to fill in several millimetres worth of gaps in eye-wateringly expensive resin kits in which all the pieces are actually intended to work together, and perhaps another thing entirely to be engaging in ALL CAPS ACCUSATIONS OF PROFITEERING when trying to fit two kits made nearly a decade apart from another that don't even amount to quite the same amount of cutting or greenstuffing work as the afore-mentioned Forgeworld models.

IS IT ME? Am I the only person looking at that picture going "That... looks like it can be absolutely fine...?"

It's not just you. Dakka gonna Dakka. You even have one guy sexualizing things (I won't repeat Lord Blackfang because he should be ashamed of himself). It's insanity.

 Arbitrator wrote:

Results from the quiz are in. Be interesting to see how many of the results are from people picking a legion vs it just being what result they got from the quiz. A lot of people starting DA so them being at the top isn't a surprise but on the other hand I've seen loads of SOH newcomers and they're pretty low down.

Keep in mind, that doesn't say 'a lot of people starting DA' or ('almost no-one playing Word Bearers'). Just that a lot of results ended up as DA on the quiz. Given how much I played with it to see how it was producing results, those numbers likely mean nothing at all when it comes to representation on tables, and a lot to do with how the nesting questions fork (why 'plasma or volkite?' is a decision point for which legion is frankly baffling) and reinforce (or don't reinforce) stereotypes. Its actually more interesting to work out why GW thinks specific legions are more likely to use lots of tanks, or how you can wrap back around to loyalist or traitor after picking the 'wrong' answer to the first question (and why that might over-populate Dark Angel results in the first place).

Voss wrote:

 Arbitrator wrote:

Results from the quiz are in. Be interesting to see how many of the results are from people picking a legion vs it just being what result they got from the quiz. A lot of people starting DA so them being at the top isn't a surprise but on the other hand I've seen loads of SOH newcomers and they're pretty low down.

Keep in mind, that doesn't say 'a lot of people starting DA' or ('almost no-one playing Word Bearers'). Just that a lot of results ended up as DA on the quiz. Given how much I played with it to see how it was producing results, those numbers likely mean nothing at all when it comes to representation on tables, and a lot to do with how the nesting questions fork (why 'plasma or volkite?' is a decision point for which legion is frankly baffling) and reinforce (or don't reinforce) stereotypes. Its actually more interesting to work out why GW thinks specific legions are more likely to use lots of tanks, or how you can wrap back around to loyalist or traitor after picking the 'wrong' answer to the first question (and why that might over-populate Dark Angel results in the first place).

I think it would be a lot of fun to see how that quiz maps out. Probably a lot of work to reverse engineer it though.

Nice to see IH and WS so low in the rankings, I'm gonna do both of those. SoH too.

Dang, no love for the WBs. I even tried to get them intentionally on that quiz and still didn't get them. Maybe that's why...

 Gert wrote:

 Strg Alt wrote:
So this means all the beakies pull specialist/heavy duty and the old Marks are destined to only carry bolters?

The MkIV kit comes with Missile Launchers, Heavy Bolters, Plasma Guns, Meltaguns, and Flamers. The MkIII kit drops the Missiles and keeps everything else.

The best part of all of this is how precious people are being about doing the absolute bare minimum work to make the new weapons fit the older models. You should try doing HH when your options are insanely expensive FW kits or scrounging together what parts you can from 40k units.

Thanks for the info. I won´t touch expensive FW stuff. There is a plethora of 40K marine arms in my bitz box however I doubt they will look good on the older Mark armours.

All my Homies hate Lorgar Aurellian.

JWBS wrote:
Nice to see IH and WS so low in the rankings, I'm gonna do both of those. SoH too.

Yeah I tried specifically to get IH the first time I took the quiz, and didn't get it, oddly enough. I had to backtrack on several questions and there was one specific question I had to answer to get IH--can't remember what it was, but it wasn't something I associated as "iconic" to Iron Hands.

Okay I just did it again -- had to select deploy infantry (instead of armor) and mass ranks of troops (instead of analyze routes and optimize defenses). If you select armored support, you can't get Iron Hands, which doesn't strictly make sense.

There's some questions that I don't believe affect the outcome: whether you prefer sicaran tank or contemptor dreadnought, for example.

That quiz was hopeless, I tried to get Iron Warriors and got Salamanders...

Billicus wrote:
What did people do for 10 plasma guns before? Did forgeworld do them? I know they did some weapon upgrades.

I bought loads of Kromlech lascannons for my death guard which were okay. Running 10 lascannons is a good way to lose friends, by the way

Back in the day there were specialist marine blisters which included two dudes with a plasma and meltagun. Flamers were available in plastic.