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**lord_blackfang**

ekwatts wrote:
Just tried an original RTB01 beaky head on a Primaris body and it didn't fit at all.

This is rampant profiteering from GW and we can't let them get away with it.

It's so cute when you people try to do a logic argument and always end up with a fallacy.

**ekwatts**

Just felt left out of all the righteous fury and anger.

**tneva82**

Just issue that 8feet primaris aren't supposed to be compatible with 7 feet marines.

That example is akin to dwarf head not fitting elf body...

**jojo_monkey_boy**

lord_blackfang wrote:
It's so cute when you people try to do a logic argument and always end up with a fallacy.

When it's as dumb as that person's post and clearly only posted to instigate conflict, you're better off just ignoring them. You can't reason with someone whose only agenda is to create drama.

**xttz**

jojo_monkey_boy wrote:
When it's as dumb as that person's post and clearly only posted to instigate conflict, you're better off just ignoring them. You can't reason with someone whose only agenda is to create drama.

Did you read any of lord_blackfang's posts in this thread?

**JSG**

I'm always impressed by how principled people are on dakka. Near wall to wall whining about price all based on nothing but strong moral convictions.

**Tannhauser42**

In regards to slide core tooling for the molds to make riveted shoulderpads, I'm sure it can be done. The problem, I believe, is that GW may only have one machine that can handle those molds. Not much of a problem for lower demand kits like the baneblade, but it would become a massive production bottleneck for higher demand kits like space marines

**Albertorius**

Tannhauser42 wrote:
In regards to slide core tooling for the molds to make riveted shoulderpads, I'm sure it can be done. The problem, I believe, is that GW may only have one machine that can handle those molds. Not much of a problem for lower demand kits like

Or, more simply, it costs more.

**ekwatts**

jojo_monkey_boy wrote:
lord_blackfang wrote:
It's so cute when you people try to do a logic argument and always end up with a fallacy.

When it's as dumb as that person's post and clearly only posted to instigate conflict, you're better off just ignoring them. You can't reason with someone whose only agenda is to create drama.

DRAMA YOU SAY?!

jojo_monkey_boy wrote:
I don't understand this compulsive need to defend every single decision they make, when some of them appear to be anti-consumer.

Do people like you have a credit system where they pay you 30 cents every time you make a bad argument in defence of GW online?

Anti-consumerism! Shills! In one post.

Midnightdeathblade wrote:
The fact they they deliberately designed these weapons to only fit MK6, or require extensive cutting is INDEFENSIBLE. If you think this is not the intent you're lying to yourself. Every marine kit since 2013 has followed the same weapon - arm layout and it suddenly changes here? Alongside kits that follow this tried and true method. Yeah that makes a ton of sense.

INDEFENSIBLE! INDEFENSIBLE!!!!!!

Post-satire, post irony, post everything. This thread really took a turn, and it has nothing to do with those of us calling out the histrionics.

**ClockworkZion**

Agamemnon2 wrote:
AllSeeingSkink wrote:

There are options (that would be more complicated to design) that would eliminate the seam while maintaining the rivet shape.

I don't think that's true. I'm scribbling in my notebooks here, and I don't think it's possible to cast the complete pad in a two piece mold, in any orientation. You could do it for a single shoulder pad at a time with a slide mold with 3+ mold elements, but I'm dubious whether it could work for multiple at once given the orientations of the moving parts. And you'd still be left with a mold line on the visible surface of the shoulder pad, roughly where the seam is going to be on the two-piece shoulders.

Now, in a larger scale you could do some things to get around this, such as adding the studs separately, as it might be possible to cast indentations for locating them without running into problems with undercuts.

In the end, GW could have avoided this by altering the stud pattern, with perhaps only one or two lines going down the middle, that could have been feasible to cast. Personally I would have preferred this option, or even having the Mk6's trademark rimless shoulder pads on both sides.

I'm just glad I don't live in a universe where they give us shoulder pads covered in divots (or plug holes) that we have to plug armour studs into by hand.

**Agamemnon2**

ClockworkZion wrote:

I'm just glad I don't live in a universe where they give us shoulder pads covered in divots (or plug holes) that we have to plug armour studs into by hand.

The scale models hobby knows crazier builds than that, albeit usually not in scales as small as our "28mm heroic". I can think of a lot of incredibly laborious assemblies in 1:35, all done in the name of uncompromising realism and scale accurary. We should count ourselves blessed that Forgeworld never embraced photoetched brass as a material

**ClockworkZion**

Agamemnon2 wrote:
ClockworkZion wrote:

I'm just glad I don't live in a universe where they give us shoulder pads covered in divots (or plug holes) that we have to plug armour studs into by hand.

The scale models hobby knows crazier builds than that, albeit usually not in scales as small as our "28mm heroic". I can think of a lot of incredibly laborious assemblies in 1:35, all done in the name of uncompromising realism and scale accurary. We should count ourselves blessed that Forgeworld never embraced photoetched brass as a material

I like watching some tank modellers on Youtube and yeah....oof.

**lord_blackfang**

Oh but I would quite enjoy the white knights trying to defend having to try and hold a single 1mm rivet in your fingers and shave the mold line going down the middle of it as if it was the only possible way of doing things.

**Kanluwen**

Agamemnon2 wrote:
ClockworkZion wrote:

I'm just glad I don't live in a universe where they give us shoulder pads covered in divots (or plug holes) that we have to plug armour studs into by hand.

The scale models hobby knows crazier builds than that, albeit usually not in scales as small as our "28mm heroic". I can think of a lot of incredibly laborious assemblies in 1:35, all done in the name of uncompromising realism and scale accurary. We should count ourselves blessed that Forgeworld never embraced photoetched brass as a material

There was brass stuff from FW and even GW.

**ClockworkZion**

Kanluwen wrote:
Agamemnon2 wrote:
ClockworkZion wrote:

I'm just glad I don't live in a universe where they give us shoulder pads covered in divots (or plug holes) that we have to plug armour studs into by hand.

The scale models hobby knows crazier builds than that, albeit usually not in scales as small as our "28mm heroic". I can think of a lot of incredibly laborious assemblies in 1:35, all done in the name of uncompromising realism and scale accurary. We should count ourselves blessed that Forgeworld never embraced photoetched brass as a material

There was brass stuff from FW and even GW.

Yeah, but those were icons and deck plates, not full photoetch brass kits:

I'm also thankful they never made linkage kits because I would be dumb enough to buy individual metal tracks, assemble them and glue them to my tanks to have "realistic" sag in the track.

**Agamemnon2**

Kanluwen wrote:

There was brass stuff from FW and even GW.

Sure, but those were flat sheets with iconography, or things like engine bay or floor grilles (on the Warhound titan and the Dark Eldar Tantalus, IIRC). Those are still easy mode. I'm referring to the Dark Souls of etched brass, proper 3D construction using nothing but thin metal origami'd into shape.

**Kanluwen**

They were also leaves and other fiddly as hell bits...I'd rather build a tank than those leaves again!

**Jadenim**

On the whole upgrade sprue thing, I think Id rather have to buy a core box and an upgrade sprue than some of their more recent “dual” kits where you end up with 80% of a squad sat on the sprue because you built the other half of the kit. It always seems so wasteful.

**Agamemnon2**

Jadenim wrote:
On the whole upgrade sprue thing, I think Id rather have to buy a core box and an upgrade sprue than some of their more recent “dual” kits where you end up with 80% of a squad sat on the sprue because you built the other half of the kit. It always seems so wasteful.

It amuses me that there's companies out there who have started using that as an opportunity. For example, if you build a squad of Necron Immortals, you have all of those lovely Deathmarks arms left over, so Wargame Exclusive will gladly sell you a set of resin bodies compatible with them so you can "use them up".

**lord_blackfang**

I've seen recasters just straight up throw in a second set of bodies, so you can build both units from one box.

There's also magnetizing and stuff to avoid wastage.

**Kanluwen**

lord_blackfang wrote:
I've seen recasters just straight up throw in a second set of bodies, so you can build both units from one box.

It's amazing what you can do for your bottom-line when you're not doing pesky things like paying sculptors!

**Mr_Rose**

Agamemnon2 wrote:
Jadenim wrote:
On the whole upgrade sprue thing, I think Id rather have to buy a core box and an upgrade sprue than some of their more recent “dual” kits where you end up with 80% of a squad sat on the sprue because you built the other half of the kit. It always seems so wasteful.

It amuses me that there's companies out there who have started using that as an opportunity. For example, if you build a squad of Necron Immortals, you have all of those lovely Deathmarks arms left over, so Wargame Exclusive will gladly sell you a set of resin bodies compatible with them so you can "use them up".

Eeeh… “compatible” is a tiny bit of a stretch. Literally; the shoulders are too narrow for the Eliminator guns to line up properly without some serious editing.

**Agamemnon2**

Mr_Rose wrote:

Eeeh… “compatible” is a tiny bit of a stretch. Literally; the shoulders are too narrow for the Eliminator guns to line up properly without some serious editing.

They are marketed as being compatible, at any rate. I do notice there's a bolded warning on the website about actually matching the arms and bodies being a huge pain, but the marketing intent being there is indisputable.

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

I caved.

One copy of Age of Darkness ordered via Element Games (other online stores are available).

Used up all my Crystals, so got it for £136.50 shipped in the end which isn’t too awful at all.

Now…to decide upon a Legion. Whichever I go with, only Veteran, not Line units will get fancy Dan lids and pads.

When I’ve sold the other books with deals pending (second hand BL, I’m not an author, well technically I am because you’re reading this. Would you pay for this post? I rest on your face) I’ll likely be back for a couple of Rhinos and a Kratos.

**zedmeister**

Roadmap!

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/06/07/warhammer-the-horus-heresy-road-map-the-age-is-dark-but-the-futures-bright/

**Kanluwen**

I don't know why, but I heard that in Mel Brooks' voice...

So August for Mechanicum? Nice.

**zedmeister**

Please make the Karacnos good and in squadrons. Also, please let the Ordo Reductor keep the Minotaurs...

**Agamemnon2**

I wonder if we can expect any miniatures releases for the other Libers. I don't see GW making plastic Mechanicum or Solar Auxilia, at least straight out of the gate, but a Custodes grav vehicle that could be used in 40k as well sounds like it'd be feasible.

**Kanluwen**

Said this in the plastic predictions threads, but I would at least think we'll see a plastic Siege Automata or something--since they can show up in multiple factions.

**zedmeister**

Thallax were rumoured to be a plastic release