40k 9th edition rumour and speculation

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**Gadzilla666**

Daedalus81 wrote:
DudleyGrim wrote:
IDK about a new edition, but maybe a re-release of all the 8th edition codices to help update and consolidate some rules might be in order. Book creep is definitely real.

They're redoing the FW indexes. A new edition isn't coming other than a consolidation for sure.

Damn slow fingers got me again.

**fraser1191**

It's gonna be more like AoS 2nd edition where you can still use all the previous books and such.

**tneva82**

So like almost every edition change so far. There's been 4 edition changes total between 40k 2-8 and FB 4-9(AOS).

Nobody really could expect total invalidation of codexes rather than usual cycle of new versions that's the case almost every edition. Instant dump is exception rather than norm

**Daedalus81**

tneva82 wrote:
So like almost every edition change so far. There's been 4 edition changes total between 40k 2-8 and FB 4-9(AOS).

Nobody really could expect total invalidation of codexes rather than usual cycle of new versions that's the case almost every edition. Instant dump is exception rather than norm

Yes, but everyone has their pants in a twist, because "PA is like how they ended the Old World".

**Nazrak**

Daedalus81 wrote:
tneva82 wrote:
So like almost every edition change so far. There's been 4 edition changes total between 40k 2-8 and FB 4-9(AOS).

Nobody really could expect total invalidation of codexes rather than usual cycle of new versions that's the case almost every edition. Instant dump is exception rather than norm

Yes, but everyone has their pants in a twist, because "PA is like how they ended the Old World".

I'd say that it's a lot more similar to errrrr… was it called Malign Portents? Between AoS 1 and 2?

**H.B.M.C.**

Daedalus81 wrote:
Yes, but everyone has their pants in a twist, because "PA is like how they ended the Old World".

Everyone? I've not seen a single person suggest such a thing.

**Daedalus81**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Daedalus81 wrote:
Yes, but everyone has their pants in a twist, because "PA is like how they ended the Old World".
Everyone? I've not seen a single person suggest such a thing.

Certainly an exaggeration to say everyone, but it is there and not infrequently.

**oni**

Nah...

7th ed. W40K's Gathering Storm = WFB's End Times

PA is just a gimmick to sell books. GW could have simply updated the codexes, but instead chose to publish an intermediary book that will be completely invalidated once new codexes arrive.

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The PA books are GW's way of taking advantage of players basic desire to win games with rules gimmicks.

**Kid_Kyoto**

tneva82 wrote:
So like almost every edition change so far. There's been 4 edition changes total between 40k 2-8 and FB 4-9(AOS).

Nobody really could expect total invalidation of codexes rather than usual cycle of new versions that's the case almost every edition. Instant dump is exception rather than norm

I think that's what everyone expects something like 4th to 5th rather than a flip the table over change like 2-3 or 7-8.

**Slayer-Fan123**

We could just use the codex rules with Apocalypse core rules. How well would that work?

**oni**

4th to 5th was a pretty significant change.

I would assume we would see something more like the change from 6th to 7th. Where it's a gentile massaging of the rules.

**Lance845**

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
We could just use the codex rules with Apocalypse core rules. How well would that work?

Or you could just play apoc which works and is a better game than 40k.

**Slayer-Fan123**

Lance845 wrote:
Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
We could just use the codex rules with Apocalypse core rules. How well would that work?

Or you could just play apoc which works and is a better game than 40k.

People here like the more in depth Faction rules. That's why I bring it up. From what I've researched it looks a lot more balanced than basic 40k though.

**sieGermans**

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Lance845 wrote:
Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
We could just use the codex rules with Apocalypse core rules. How well would that work?

Or you could just play apoc which works and is a better game than 40k.

People here like the more in depth Faction rules. That's why I bring it up. From what I've researched it looks a lot more balanced than basic 40k though.

I’ve played it. It is.

But, uhh, it’s definitely streamlined as far as unique abilities and quirky consistent effects are concerned.

**H.B.M.C.**

oni wrote:
4th to 5th was a pretty significant change.

Not compared to the complete reset that 2nd to 3rd or 7th to 8th was. You could still use a 4th Ed Codex in 5th. Same can't be said for 2nd/3rd and 7th/8th.

**BrianDavion**

Daedalus81 wrote:
Gadzilla666 wrote:
If the Custodes 2.0 rumor is true it's both good and bad. Good in that everyone will get rules equivalent to space marines 2.0.Bad in that everyone will get rules equivalent to space marines 2.0.

I just hope they don't stretch out the releases like they did the sm supplements. That would mean throwing balance all over the place for months while everyone waits for their updated codex.

It's just a reprint.

A reprint is intreasting in and of itself, if 9th edition was "inevitable" one would wonder why they'd reprint a 8th edition codex and not just roll out a new custodes codex for it

**kodos**

to make money?

GW would re-print anything if they are sure it sells out, no matter if a new edition is released in year or one week.

**Kid_Kyoto**

It might not be called 9th edition, it might be called 8.5 or 8-Revised or 8-Ultimate Perfected Edition but the point remains, that'll by another couple 100 dollars for the main rule book and your updated codexes.

**An Actual Englishman**

Lol I don't think GW call the current edition 8th do they? Isn't that what we call it? They call it 'the ultimate 40k edition' or some gak.

Anyways the primary reason people believe this is possible if not likely, has nothing to do with PA particularly (no one cares/thinks its like how they ended the old world) and everything to do with the amount of rules bloat in the game right now. It's more that people want a new edition because they are sick of having to reference their codex, its FAQ, Vigilus, its FAQ, PA, its FAQ, CA (and its FAQ soon?), and any other generic FAQs to play the game. For some factions it's much worse than the above. For few a little better.

The other primary reason is simply pattern recognition. GW tend to release a new/updated/different edition every so often in a cyclical pattern. We are reaching the release of a new edition again according to patterns seen in GW previously. They might break this pattern, but it would be unusual.

**Kid_Kyoto**

8th came out in 2017? Used to be 4 year cycles but IIRC 7th had only 2 years.

**kodos**

Lol I don't think GW call the current edition 8th do they? Isn't that what we call it? They call it 'the ultimate 40k edition' or some gak.

GW stopped naming Editions long time ago.
We have Rogue Trader, 2nd Edition, 3rd Edition and since than it is just 40.000

with 4th/5th/6th can be just kept apart by the Copyright date (2004/2008/2012) while nothing else indicates which one is older

with 7th, it was named Warhammer 40.000 The Rules

People just name the different Editions to keep them apart, GW never has done that at all

Kid_Kyoto wrote:
8th came out in 2017? Used to be 4 year cycles but IIRC 7th had only 2 years.

Because 7th was just a Hotfix for 6th

**Not Online!!!**

if 7th was a hotfix, lootboxes are kinder eggs.

**kodos**

ask GW why they decided instead of releasing an Errata or something like CA as soon as 6th showed the flaws but rather invested into releasing a new Edition instead.

**chimeara**

I've got it on good authority that playtesters are working on "9th". I say that in quotes because we're supposed to be in a living rules set edition. Also keep in mind, they work a year or more in advance.

**Nevelon**

Kid_Kyoto wrote:
8th came out in 2017? Used to be 4 year cycles but IIRC 7th had only 2 years.

(from wikipedia)
5 Rulebook editions
5.1 First edition (Warhammer 40,000: Rogue Trader) (1987) 6 years
5.2 Second edition (1993) 5 years
5.3 Third edition (1998) 6 years
5.4 Fourth edition (2004) 4 years
5.5 Fifth edition (2008) 4 years
5.6 Sixth edition (2012) 2 years
5.7 Seventh edition (2014) 3 years
5.8 Eighth edition (2017) 3 years this summer

(Edited for a better format)

6th was the short one that broke me fron buying supplements and play aids. Before that the assumption was you were going to get ~4 years out of a product. Divide the cost by years of use, things didn’t seem so bad.

**FezzikDaBullgryn**

Yarium wrote:
There are a few signs of 9th edition coming:

#1 - Psychic Awakening should end at that point, which leaves a big 'ol "what's next?" hanging over everything. A new edition would make sense.

#2 - The Psychic Awakening books have been similar to previous series of campaign books that culminated in a new edition, having been the case with both Warhammer Fantasy transitioning into Age of Sigmar, and 7th transition transitioning into 8th edition.

#3 - There's supposedly a big release in the summer that the employees aren't allowed to take time off for. Usually these are just done for massive releases like new editions.

So that all seems to make sense, yeah? Well, who the heck really knows, because I've been hearing "New Daemon Primarch soon!" for ages now, and nothing's happened. But there do seem to be things that suggest a new edition. New edition would likely be like the move from 3rd ed to 4th, 4th to 5th, 5th to 6th, or 6th to 7th - which were all pretty minor and backwards compatible.

Also Sisters are a pretty good hint

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chimeara wrote:
I've got it on good authority that playtesters are working on "9th". I say that in quotes because we're supposed to be in a living rules set edition. Also keep in mind, they work a year or more in advance.

GW has proven and Reece has confirmed they don;t actually have playtesters....

**chimeara**

Then what do the guys at my LGS do on Wednesdays? Why do they get advance copies of rules to test? Why do they get trips to GW Headquarters? I'm confused, if they're not playtesters. Then what are they?

**EnTyme**

chimeara wrote:
I've got it on good authority that playtesters are working on "9th". I say that in quotes because we're supposed to be in a living rules set edition. Also keep in mind, they work a year or more in advance.

And my girlfriend tells me 9th edition isn't coming anytime soon. You wouldn't know her, though. She plays at a different FLGS . . . in Canada.

**kodos**

chimeara wrote:
Then what do the guys at my LGS do on Wednesdays? Why do they get advance copies of rules to test? Why do they get trips to GW Headquarters? I'm confused, if they're not playtesters. Then what are they?

do they have full rules of 9th with updated faction rules?
if yes, they are play testers
if no, they are not (could call them Alpha Testers or Concept Testers, but not play testers as therefore you need a finished game to test)

**chimeara**

kodos wrote:
chimeara wrote:
Then what do the guys at my LGS do on Wednesdays? Why do they get advance copies of rules to test? Why do they get trips to GW Headquarters? I'm confused, if they're not playtesters. Then what are they?

do they have full rules of 9th with updated faction rules?
if yes, they are play testers
if no, they are not (could call them Alpha Testers or Concept Testers, but not play testers as therefore you need a finished game to test)

That's a valid point. That's hard for me to answer, since I'm not even supposed to know what I know. Based on the kernals of knowledge I have on the situation, I'd days beta testers.