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For me the biggest shocker is that the admech are getting so heavily expanded. Not that they didn't need a few more options, but compared to harlies, eldars ageing line or as per recent mis-rumours the custodes being light on options, admech seemed stable range wise bar a new HQ which is the one thing they maybe needed short term.

BrianDavion wrote:

 Nazrak wrote:
Orks have been my main guys since 1991, but I absolutely do not care about New Ghaz. As far as I'm concerned, he's Andy Chambers' warboss, and I'd much rather have a kit allowing me to build my own guy.

GW often uses a "big character spalsh HQ" model like this as the centerpiece of a beefy release. the deamon primarchs and abaddon for example, (not always as Space Marines didn't get a big release with Calgar) so hopefully this is a sign that Orks are going to get the "CSM treatment" of their old major character is replaced, combined with reworks of the classic "core kits"

Eh, I don't really care about the "core kits" – I think the current Boyz are fine, and I certainly don't want the hundred or so I have replaced with something aesthetically different. It'd be nice if we had more than like three non-special-character HQs though, and if the metal/finecast stuff for key units actually got updated.

New boyz would be awesome! The Brian Nelson ones are way past needing replacing. Nice kit for it’s time, but it’s had it’s day.

Any details on the Wh40K 'Angels of Death" animation? A series? A one off movie?
Where would it be available?
The teaser looks gorgeous!!
Finally something comparable to the mini series on YouTube 'Astartes'

The teaser seems ok, animationwise it's decent. Im getting a strong Zack Snyder with a different colour palette vibe from it.

Dread Master wrote:
New boyz would be awesome! The Brian Nelson ones are way past needing replacing. Nice kit for it’s time, but it’s had it’s day.

I dunno, I think they still hold up pretty well, particularly given the cross-compatibility with all the other kits. Wouldn't have any massive objections, but what I'd hate to see is something that looks incongruous if you mix the two – something that adds to the variety of existing stuff, rather than hitting a hard reset button, would be hugely preferable imo.

But yeah, maybe Ghaz will bump up interest in Orks. I just do not understand the enthusiasm for Named/Special Characters though, rather than generic options you can use to create your own characters. It just leads to a narrowing of narrative scope and boring armies that are all the same few guys.

 Blooddragon1981 wrote:
Any details on the Wh40K 'Angels of Death" animation? A series? A one off movie?'

It's an animated series, and from the past trailers it looks like an anthology series (or they're developing more than one title).

Dread Master wrote:
New boyz would be awesome! The Brian Nelson ones are way past needing replacing. Nice kit for it’s time, but it’s had it’s day.

Then again that would mean at least 50% price hike per model.

I'm really torn on the admech horsey boys. While I kinda like the idea of some mounted light brigade to match my bleep-bloop napoleonic gunline, I feel like the bandanas have too much of a cowboy vibe, which I don't like. Maybe if there's a more melee-oriented loadout? Sabres could be cool, I love me a cuirassier. But then again, we already sort of had mounted troops (in a more fitting way, imo) with the dragoons, so on top of not super liking the design, they feel a little redundant.

Hate the bat-wing guys. I'm really not digging how much steampunk is bleeding into the line. Like, didn't we all collectively decide that after Will Smith's Wild Wild West, that steampunk was just an objectively bad aesthetic? Why do people trying to bring it back, it was never good. Gimme back tendrils and skulls and cyberpunk and ancient glowy tech covered in baroque weirdness because no-one ever makes new stuff. Bar the wings, I kinda like them, but feel like they're so close to sicarians that it is almost self-defeating.
On a tangent, but the point about being a bit too far from the original releases goes for the new flyer transport, too. I like the Hind helicopter vibes, but god. Bird legs? Bat wings? Stop it. I really wish they'd done something like this atrocity I knocked up in bootleg photoshop, but more tendrils and guns.

MOAR ORKZ IZ MOAR GUD. Hope they don't push too deep into the new sigmar orrukzzzzz thing tho, I like my ork faces more like the retro ones.

I actually really like the new elves, though kinda hoped they might let us drool a little more, and put them on square bases in one pic. Y'know, cause...

I LOVE the empty suit of armor, though. Trying desperately to figure out how to cram him into my eldar/dark eldar shmorgasboard. Finally GW showing off their sculpting prowess without it just being obnoxious smoke effects or tentacles. Agree that Teclis looks just straight up bad, though. Feels like a smaller model crowbarred onto a bigger model...

...so they can charge more for it.

Like the lizardmen thing, but it'd be heaps cooler if you could put minis on the steps, and have them fight up and down it.

Curious to get a better look at the underworlds stuff, I love me a nurgle sorcerer, and there's frankly a shocking lack of wizened hags and twisted old crones in warhammer.

The zoat is super neat, I like how it feels a bit detached from anything else - nice and alien.

Curious to see what the new FW book stuff is about, but...

HOLY MOLY Qin Xa! I've got such a thing for the new white scars, if FW ever re-release mk.ii armor I'm gonna struggle to hold myself back.

Angels of death looks, like alright? Very space-hulk-y, which is fun.

Nobody asked for AdMech to be it's own army either back when they had one unit in IG codex, but here we are...

Lizardmen are finally getting some love

That's a funny way to say "a book and one low-effort terrain piece". None of their antediluvian models got updated or changed from resin to plastic, they didn't even get endless spells despite being the most magical race outside of Tzeench demons. Let's just hope they didn't actually squat anything.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
... but gw just stop it with these new flying twigs. Classic peg and hole worked so much better for infantry sized models.

Side note: Has GW ever made a good flying base?

They have, actually. They have made 2 good flying bases.

One they make right now, and ship with some of the biggest models (Leviadon springs to mind) Huge, wide base, wide stalk, interference fit ball joint.

That's all you need.

One they made in 5th edition, with the Dark eldar release. Same as the original flying base, replaced the stupid flimsy stick with an interference fit ball and socket joint.

Then, halfway through the dark eldar release, they got hit in the head with a brick and forgot how to make an interference fit, so you had to glue the ball and socket anyway, completely destroying the advancement they had made.

Now the new bases are just...laughable. They're among the worst flying stands Ive ever seen. I will now and forever be purchasing magnet baron flying stands for all my flying minis, it's well worth 2$ a miniature to never use a GW flying stand again.

Glad to see GW is abandoning the boring design of FW Mechanicus

Those horsemen make me want to start a Forgeworld Metalica army. But only if I can take them in units of 4.

I'm just happy to see Daemons getting scheduled. Would have been nice to have Custodes in the same book, but we get what we get.

Cronch wrote:
Nobody asked for AdMech to be it's own army either back when they had one unit in IG codex, but here we are...

I mean that’s just not true.

I'm not sold on the new AdMech stuff, but I do like that they're sticking with the idea that every answer the AdMech come up with for a problem is wrong (well, not wrong in the sense that it is an answer but usually among the least-efficient ones for a given problem). I feel it's showcasing how the AdMech believe themselves to be the smartest in the room and come up with wildly impractical ideas because they calculated that this was the best way; largely because they completely ignored contrary evidence or are so sheltered they can't conceive of the reasons why it's dumb. Working in IT, one gets the chance to see this attitude (and are in constant danger of picking it up) quite often.

Like the overall look of the new Aelves, but outside of maybe a box to poke at I don't see myself going big into them. Do not like Teclis at all, but I've not really been a fan of most of GW's "centerpiece" models in AoS either. The Mortarchs (technically an Old World model) I think are the last ones I really liked.

Zoat is interesting, but I'm not really involved with the rest of the stuff so not really moved one way or the other.

Not a super-exciting preview for me, but that's probably a good thing in the wake of SoB.

 posermcbogus wrote:

Hate the bat-wing guys. I'm really not digging how much steampunk is bleeding into the line. Like, didn't we all collectively decide that after Will Smith's Wild Wild West, that steampunk was just an objectively bad aesthetic? Why do people trying to bring it back, it was never good. Gimme back tendrils and skulls and cyberpunk and ancient glowy tech covered in baroque weirdness because no-one ever makes new stuff. Bar the wings, I kinda like them, but feel like they're so close to sicarians that it is almost self-defeating.
On a tangent, but the point about being a bit too far from the original releases goes for the new flyer transport, too. I like the Hind helicopter vibes, but god. Bird legs? Bat wings? Stop it. I really wish they'd done something like this atrocity I knocked up in bootleg photoshop, but more tendrils and guns.

MOAR ORKZ IZ MOAR GUD. Hope they don't push too deep into the new sigmar orrukzzzzz thing tho, I like my ork faces more like the retro ones.

Super-duper agree with all this. I want my AdMech to be weird and creepy and clunky and with all robotic waggles all over the shop.

Cronch wrote:
Nobody asked for AdMech to be it's own army either back when they had one unit in IG codex, but here we are...

This might just be humour going over my head, but you're not actually serious with this comment are you? Because people have been after an AdMech army in 40K pretty much ever since they got some details in Epic in the mid-90's, and there have been like, three fan-made Codex efforts over the years, one of them by someone who worked at GW.

Got to say, the addition of the Zoat is tempting me to go in on BSF even more. Really like that there's a bit of everything in there, and I'm half thinking that I could streamline my hobby by ditching my numerous army projects I keep flitting between and I'll realistically never finish, and instead go in on something I can paint a little bit of this, little bit of that for. Slightly tangential, but how complex is it? Something you could easily involve non-hardcore wargame pals in, or is it a bit more involved than that?

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tangoalphatwo on B&C, stitched together ghazzy. Yes, that is a human skull by his right foot. He's gigantic!

*Serberys* - I like these. I think they're maybe the sort of thing I'd expect to see on Mars specifically rather than some of the other Forge Worlds, but mechanical horses definitely aren't too far away from what you'd expect to see on Knight worlds and the execution is good.

*Pteraxii* - Ehh, I think these have exactly the same problem that the Archaeopter did, in that the wings look like they're directly lifted from an ornithopter, rather than being sci-fi things inspired by them.

I'm very glad to see Makari back, and what we can see of Ghaz looks cool.

Overall I'm a bit confused by the timing of some of these. It currently feels like we know more about PA7 than we do about PA5. And PA6 probably has more models than just Ghaz, given there are some Ork feet in the Rumour Engine that aren't his. You'd think whatever that was is also coming with PA6. I'm surprised we're getting a SW book that isn't including Primaris Ragnar tbh.

It would be nice to hear if the Kellermorph and Manipulus were finally getting released, though I suppose that's not a reveal.

The Lumineth look okay, but it's so weird to go on and on about them being "pointy aelves" when the main thing distinguishing them from High Elves is removal of their pointy hats, which feels like a shame. But they look fairly cool irrespective. I'm glad the cavalry is on proper horses, most of the "original" AoS beasts have been naff, but they are definitely not the best horses GW has ever done. The neck hair looks like it's mounted on brush, and the front legs are kicking out in an odd way on a few of them. Eltharion is *excellent* and a really cool model. I don't mind Teclis, but if his pose had been more akin to the art he'd have definitely looked better, and I still think his hat is worse than his old one. Celennar reminds me of how I said how most of the original AoS beasts are naff. It would have been better just being a griffon.

The Seraphon scenery is genuinely fantastic. Love that.

The Wurmspat are very good, especially the sorceress.

The Zoat is *ace*. A Zoat! I love how they're exploring these things with Blackstone Fortress.

Qin Xa is... just okay. I think it's because his swords look a bit squat to me.

Angels of Death looks pretty good, but suffers slightly in comparison to Astartes. There are one or two shots that still look a bit wooden. And the voice acting is flat out awful in some cases.

 greggles wrote:
From
tangoalphatwo on B&C, stitched together ghazzy. Yes, that is a human skull by his right foot. He's gigantic!

There’s also one tied to his armpit.

 Nazrak wrote:
Slightly tangential, but how complex is it? Something you could easily involve non-hardcore wargame pals in, or is it a bit more involved than that?

It's not exactly as complex as the old Warhammer Quest was, but you can start simple and make it complex. You can play it out of the box with each player controlling an Explorer (and the enemies being controlled by D20 roll) or you can play with a DM, and there's optional rules for settlement events and equipment.

I'd never play orks or buy and paint them personally but I do love them as a faction. Updates would be nice, maybe? I like a lot of the plastic kits, upgrade sprues would be amazing to spruce them up.

However the one thing I think would be awesome but would never happen is if they were bought up to around or just shy of primaris in height. Orks lumbering over guardsmen on the table top would be so thematical, let alone what knobs and warboss' would look like next to them.

I also think eldar should be taller (obviously no bulk though) and then sisters, guard, tau, mechanicus and maybe necrons should be the smaller races. Orks should be big lumbering murder machines, even the basic ones, eldar should match them for height but be much slighter as you'd expect of an elf and marines (even primaris) should look like the creations they are, made to combat these super dangerous aliens.

The Zoat looks awesome and a great follow up to last year's spectacular Ambull.

Good to see Makari back on banner duties. Just hope they have some throwback to Ghaz's early 90s model...

The new Blood Angels series looks swanky and fun.

Not much for myself there(save for the Zoat) but overall everything is looking good.

Zoats are tyranids...sounds like something someone who never saw the original Star Wars movie in the theatre would say. Remember when they were muscle for slann and hung out with Eldar—back when all Eldar were pirates.

Can’t wait to pay $50 for him though.

I'm really liking the AdMech cowboys and steampunk flyboys! So far resisted getting into AdMech apart from a small Kill Team but they are making it very hard with these excellent releases.

That said, I do note that with these Adeptus Mechanics units and the recent(-ish) Genestealer Cult releases, there's very little "theme" left for Imperial Guard. AdMech & GSC basically have all the old IG themes covered (including now both bike and (mecha-)horse Rough Riders!). Makes me wonder if they'll ever see new releases or if they're basically "redundant" at this point.

Rough Riders were never a "theme" of the Imperial Guard.

They were a unit, and in many instances they were called out as being from specialized regiments from feudal worlds.

I wonder if we are going to get a plain Warboss in Mega armour. (As well as Ghazzy) (Probably not in this release. TBH)

 Kanluwen wrote:
Rough Riders were never a "theme" of the Imperial Guard.

They were a unit, and in many instances they were called out as being from specialized regiments from feudal worlds.

Fair enough, but what I meant was what direction is there left to give the Guard anything interesting and unique, design-wise? Unless it's "more tanks on tracks", of course - the new Marine tanks don't have tracks, and apart from the Kataphron the AdMech don't either.