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Ok so we're getting new Forge World Indexes (at least that's what I'm calling them for now).

So what do we expect and what are we hoping for? Will they fix r&h? Eldar Corsairs? Dkok?

Will they just update points or data sheets?

A return of Legacies of Ruin and whatever the loyalist version was?
   
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Everything but that last one, probably. CA makes a little more sense now.
   
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I'm hoping it's an overhaul and not just points updates as CA already covers that. Renegade and Heretics are one of the glaring problems rules wise given how crappy their rules are.

They'll probably address the overuse of leviathan dreadnought and touch up on stuff that should be FW strengths, mainly the superheavies.

Really hoping they make a lot of the Ork vehicles worth taking this time around.
   
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I'm hoping they're full treatment overhauls, but I suspect it'll probably just be a few bug fixes and points adjustments.

I'd really like to run a DKoK list again, but they're just so clunky and expensive and unsupported relative to the codex that there's just no point.

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Given I'm in the middle of having a massive 3000 dollar DkoK army built and painted professionally, they'd better damn well keep the army, hopefully they will add new units and some of the other guard things, as well as balance some of the rules.

One i am hoping for is the stupid rule related to the carcass rounds for engineers. There is zero (balance) reason to have these get hot. removing it and leaving the rest of the profile as is, would be fantastic.


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 Vaktathi wrote:
I'm hoping they're full treatment overhauls, but I suspect it'll probably just be a few bug fixes and points adjustments.

I'd really like to run a DKoK list again, but they're just so clunky and expensive and unsupported relative to the codex that there's just no point.


They probably don't do well in terms of compet, but they're amazing fun on the casual scene. Here is hoping that they get rules revisions including CoS becoming all phases, not just shooting.

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Sadly I think we will see a lot of stuff disappear from the books into the annals of the time that was.. No model no rules and no legends..

I am curious though how much of an overhaul there will be. Perhaps my wraith seers will get a smite and not become ludicrously overcosted... Wonder if I should even bother building the shadow specters lol.

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AngryAngel80 wrote:
I don't know, when I see awesome rules, I'm like " Baby, your rules looking so fine. Maybe I gotta add you to my first strike battalion eh ? "


 Eonfuzz wrote:


I would much rather everyone have a half ass than no ass.


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Is there an expected time table on these new books? I'm very concerned, I have extremely limited time to cancel my DkoK order so that I can wait to see what will happen.
   
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 Togusa wrote:
Is there an expected time table on these new books? I'm very concerned, I have extremely limited time to cancel my DkoK order so that I can wait to see what will happen.


Within the next 6 months usually if we're seeing the reveal now.
   
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 Daedalus81 wrote:
 Togusa wrote:
Is there an expected time table on these new books? I'm very concerned, I have extremely limited time to cancel my DkoK order so that I can wait to see what will happen.


Within the next 6 months usually if we're seeing the reveal now.


That's good, hopefully sooner rather than later. Do you or does anyone else in the thread happen to know what the email address for the rules team is?

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So does this mean no more complaining about fw models not having rules written by the main gw rules team?

Wonder if they'll be sold through gw or fw. Think they'll have them at actual stores? Feth I hope they don't mess this up. Don't see why it should take long for release. You know they probably already have them printed.
   
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Gadzilla666 wrote:
So does this mean no more complaining about fw models not having rules written by the main gw rules team? ...


I might have to retire my "It's great in 30k, but pretty crap in 40k" catchprase!

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I just realized if they give r&h a rework then that's our traitor guard rumour confirmed. They better not mess up my marauders. Not Online!!! should be happy.

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Gadzilla666 wrote:
I just realized if they give r&h a rework then that's our traitor guard rumour confirmed. They better not mess up my marauders. Not Online!!! should be happy.



Wait wait wait, gw has officially announced new fw books?
Well not really fw books but you get my meaning?


Honestly i hope that they bring back the old trait System. And the customizability. Probably not but frankly at this Point it's just nice for once to exist in gw's eyes.


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 AnomanderRake wrote:
Gadzilla666 wrote:
So does this mean no more complaining about fw models not having rules written by the main gw rules team? ...


I might have to retire my "It's great in 30k, but pretty crap in 40k" catchprase!


If it's done by GW main studio expect bad rules. They have vested interest in gamers not buying those models instead of more profitable plastic ones.

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Not Online!!! wrote:
Gadzilla666 wrote:
I just realized if they give r&h a rework then that's our traitor guard rumour confirmed. They better not mess up my marauders. Not Online!!! should be happy.



Wait wait wait, gw has officially announced new fw books?
Well not really fw books but you get my meaning?


Honestly i hope that they bring back the old trait System. And the customizability. Probably not but frankly at this Point it's just nice for once to exist in gw's eyes.


Well traitor guard have been rumored for a while. Guess it was a rework of r&h after all. At least I hope.


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tneva82 wrote:
 AnomanderRake wrote:
Gadzilla666 wrote:
So does this mean no more complaining about fw models not having rules written by the main gw rules team? ...


I might have to retire my "It's great in 30k, but pretty crap in 40k" catchprase!


If it's done by GW main studio expect bad rules. They have vested interest in gamers not buying those models instead of more profitable plastic ones.

Then why do they make them if they don't want to sell them? And why are they making new rules instead of just sticking them in legends Sunshine?

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They do sell them. There's people who aren't gamers. Those who aren't just spamming best units and instead have "one of that, one of this, another that". Variety rather than spam. If they didn't make FW units they would have less units to sell and those would thus buy less. If you have 10 units to sell you sell 10 kits.

If you have 20 you sell 20. 30? 30. So if you have more units to sell you get more money from those. But at lower profit rate per unit than with plastic. Thus for gamers who buy as much of best as possible you want to sell plastic as they will buy best and ignore the bad units.

That's how you get GW upping cost of unit already not even appearing in tournaments by 300%.

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Gadzilla666 wrote:
Not Online!!! wrote:
Gadzilla666 wrote:
I just realized if they give r&h a rework then that's our traitor guard rumour confirmed. They better not mess up my marauders. Not Online!!! should be happy.



Wait wait wait, gw has officially announced new fw books?
Well not really fw books but you get my meaning?


Honestly i hope that they bring back the old trait System. And the customizability. Probably not but frankly at this Point it's just nice for once to exist in gw's eyes.


Well traitor guard have been rumored for a while. Guess it was a rework of r&h after all. At least I hope.


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tneva82 wrote:
 AnomanderRake wrote:
Gadzilla666 wrote:
So does this mean no more complaining about fw models not having rules written by the main gw rules team? ...


I might have to retire my "It's great in 30k, but pretty crap in 40k" catchprase!


If it's done by GW main studio expect bad rules. They have vested interest in gamers not buying those models instead of more profitable plastic ones.

Then why do they make them if they don't want to sell them? And why are they making new rules instead of just sticking them in legends Sunshine?


Well, they may be intending to make decent rules. Or at least not bad ones.... We'll just have to wait & see.
   
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I also hope the Ork options are fixed. At least brought up to codex level.

I also hope the most offending and often spammed FW units are hit hard with the nerf bat. Some units are bonkers OP.
   
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 An Actual Englishman wrote:
I also hope the Ork options are fixed. At least brought up to codex level.

I also hope the most offending and often spammed FW units are hit hard with the nerf bat. Some units are bonkers OP.

Me too because after seeing that Ghazkkull preview I think I might be starting an ork army this year and if I do I'm going to need a squigoth....


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tneva82 wrote:
They do sell them. There's people who aren't gamers. Those who aren't just spamming best units and instead have "one of that, one of this, another that". Variety rather than spam. If they didn't make FW units they would have less units to sell and those would thus buy less. If you have 10 units to sell you sell 10 kits.

If you have 20 you sell 20. 30? 30. So if you have more units to sell you get more money from those. But at lower profit rate per unit than with plastic. Thus for gamers who buy as much of best as possible you want to sell plastic as they will buy best and ignore the bad units.

That's how you get GW upping cost of unit already not even appearing in tournaments by 300%.

People who don't spam units are still gamers. We're just gamers who care about the setting and lore beyond it just being a game. Don't you have something to min/max somewhere?

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 An Actual Englishman wrote:
I also hope the Ork options are fixed. At least brought up to codex level.

I also hope the most offending and often spammed FW units are hit hard with the nerf bat. Some units are bonkers OP.


E.g. leviatahns?

You realise that they only get eregious on the loyalist side due to some very well known gw created supplement offenders?

The correct thing would be to not treat symptomes but the core issue.

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GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units."
Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?"
Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?"
GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!"
Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.  
   
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Right, a Leviathan isn't much different than a Land Raider or RepEx except for the Invul save.
   
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Yeah I would expect Leviathans to get toned down, and also Chaplain Dreads likely get axed due to no model. Those things alone should help the meta slightly.

Wish listing, I hope we get a few more HH units coming over to 40k. Osiron Dreads for me personally would be great - if anyone should have psychic dreadnoughts it's the Thousand Sons!


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Right, a Leviathan isn't much different than a Land Raider or RepEx except for the Invul save.


And 2+ to hit and better weapons.

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I bet Corsairs will still be trash....

   
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 Amishprn86 wrote:
I bet Corsairs will still be trash....


honestly, i fear we will not see corsairs.

Think about it:
R&H got basically their skelleton crew and unit options with some added bling in BSF. (also probably the most likely to propperly recive something decent out of this)

DKoK, i guess could be made in plastic. Further BSF lasguns are the same pattern that DKoK uses.

corsairs preety much have nothing to show, yet.

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GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units."
Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?"
Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?"
GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!"
Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.  
   
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tneva82 wrote:
They do sell them. There's people who aren't gamers. Those who aren't just spamming best units and instead have "one of that, one of this, another that". Variety rather than spam. If they didn't make FW units they would have less units to sell and those would thus buy less. If you have 10 units to sell you sell 10 kits.

If you have 20 you sell 20. 30? 30. So if you have more units to sell you get more money from those. But at lower profit rate per unit than with plastic. Thus for gamers who buy as much of best as possible you want to sell plastic as they will buy best and ignore the bad units.

That's how you get GW upping cost of unit already not even appearing in tournaments by 300%.


So what you mean is, they're making amazing kits for the majority (none tournament players) which they don't want to sell because the minority (tournament players) can be persuaded easily to buy 1-2 kits on repeat. Besides as much as resin costs more to make individual models, i always thought making a plastic kit cost more in pre-production?
   
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Not Online!!! wrote:
 An Actual Englishman wrote:
I also hope the Ork options are fixed. At least brought up to codex level.

I also hope the most offending and often spammed FW units are hit hard with the nerf bat. Some units are bonkers OP.


E.g. leviatahns?

You realise that they only get eregious on the loyalist side due to some very well known gw created supplement offenders?

The correct thing would be to not treat symptomes but the core issue.

Gw could just handle it the way they handled the fire frenzy strategem for csm. Duty eternal can't be played on relic units. Of course that would hurt the poster boys wouldn't it?


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tneva82 wrote:
They do sell them. There's people who aren't gamers. Those who aren't just spamming best units and instead have "one of that, one of this, another that". Variety rather than spam. If they didn't make FW units they would have less units to sell and those would thus buy less. If you have 10 units to sell you sell 10 kits.

If you have 20 you sell 20. 30? 30. So if you have more units to sell you get more money from those. But at lower profit rate per unit than with plastic. Thus for gamers who buy as much of best as possible you want to sell plastic as they will buy best and ignore the bad units.

That's how you get GW upping cost of unit already not even appearing in tournaments by 300%.


So what you mean is, they're making amazing kits for the majority (none tournament players) which they don't want to sell because the minority (tournament players) can be persuaded easily to buy 1-2 kits on repeat. Besides as much as resin costs more to make individual models, i always thought making a plastic kit cost more in pre-production?

The whole idea that gw makes some models but doesn't want to sell them is about as illogical as you can get.

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Gw could just handle it the way they handled the fire frenzy strategem for csm. Duty eternal can't be played on relic units. Of course that would hurt the poster boys wouldn't it?


yeah, most likely, but he let all other fractions suffer that share that unit, because feth common sense and joe, stack more special rules on that Trait for this preety unknown SM chapter, because 3 is not enough ...

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GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units."
Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?"
Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?"
GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!"
Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.  
   
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Not Online!!! wrote:
The correct thing would be to not treat symptomes but the core issue.
But this is GW. The only way they know how to balance rules is through swinging a giant pendulum.

If a minor part of the community are abusing Leviathan dreads, then you better believe they're going to be nerfed into the ground because GW has only one option besides leaving them as they are.

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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Not Online!!! wrote:
The correct thing would be to not treat symptomes but the core issue.
But this is GW. The only way they know how to balance rules is through swinging a giant pendulum.

If a minor part of the community are abusing Leviathan dreads, then you better believe they're going to be nerfed into the ground because GW has only one option besides leaving them as they are.


correction, a pendulum would have a middlepoint it would eventually reach.
They are more likely to use this method due to the more random results, allbeit with an adapted table.
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GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units."
Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?"
Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?"
GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!"
Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.  
   
 
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