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A) A Richard move, as contactless handover or no, some poor sod is out and about
B) Not a Richard move thanks to contactless handover, and the delivery dude is kept in their job
Thoughts?
Definitely B. Think about it this way: the person doing the delivery has decided that for them personally the risks of being out and about are worth it because they need the money. The alternative is you being out and about, which either way means a human wandering about. The other alternative is not ordering takeout, which is even worse since you go from a potential death by coronavirus to a certain death when you are driven to madness by a lack of processed deliciousness food diversity and either commit suicide or murder your housemates.
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Found out today, during Governor Hogan's order to shutdown non-essential businesses, that I am in fact, essential. Yay?
On one hand : Cool, still gainfully employed and don't have to mess with unemployment insurance (yet).
On the other hand : Probs going to face an increased risk of infection dealing with the subset of my customer base that are absolute goons.
"Sometimes the only victory possible is to keep your opponent from winning." - The Emperor, from The Outcast Dead.
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nels1031 wrote: Found out today, during Governor Hogan's order to shutdown non-essential businesses, that I am in fact, essential. Yay?
On one hand : Cool, still gainfully employed and don't have to mess with unemployment insurance (yet).
On the other hand : Probs going to face an increased risk of infection dealing with the subset of my customer base that are absolute goons.
Positive spin; many predictions suggest the majority of the population will get coronavirus at some point, and you'll have better odds of getting it out of the way early. Plus once you are through with it, you are likely to be immune or nearly so and have much less to worry about.
This sounds exactly like my situation here in the UK. Selling car spares makes us part of the transport infrastructure apparently*shrug*
I'm in the powersports industry(Motorcycles, ATVs, UTVs and PWCs). Our showroom is shutdown*, but parts, service and accessories will be operating as per normal, as we do indeed fall under the essential category, like yourself.
*The owner is trying to operate in the gray area and just make the showroom an "appointment only" sort of thing. Alot of the salesman have been laid off as of 15 minutes ago.
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Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: I’m still dimly hopeful New York will go ahead. It’s not until the very end of June, so there’s some chance this might’ve settled down by then.
I'm hoping Iron Maiden are going to be doing their show in July. Been waiting a long time for that one.
nels1031 wrote: Found out today, during Governor Hogan's order to shutdown non-essential businesses, that I am in fact, essential. Yay?
On one hand : Cool, still gainfully employed and don't have to mess with unemployment insurance (yet).
On the other hand : Probs going to face an increased risk of infection dealing with the subset of my customer base that are absolute goons.
Positive spin; many predictions suggest the majority of the population will get coronavirus at some point, and you'll have better odds of getting it out of the way early. Plus once you are through with it, you are likely to be immune or nearly so and have much less to worry about.
That is the herd immunity theory. One way or another that is how it will pan out.
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If you have to get it, not being during the overwhelming tide of cases seems best case right now.
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Some useful hints coming through from Iceland who are planning to test the a good chunk of the entire population of 364,000
The number of individuals tested by the country’s health authorities and the biotechnology firm deCode Genetics — 3,787 — roughly translates to 10,405 per million, which compares to about 5,203 in South Korea, 2478 in Italy, and 764 in the UK.
Those numbers include the first results of the voluntary tests on people with no symptoms, which started last Friday. The first batch of 1,800 tests produced 19 positive cases, or about 1% of the sample.
"Early results from deCode Genetics indicate that a low proportion of the general population has contracted the virus and that about half of those who tested positive are non-symptomatic,” said Guðnason. “The other half displays very moderate cold-like symptoms."
so it looks like half of those (adults) who get it are not symptomatic,
which on one hand is good as it pulls the death rate (not the number of dead) down by 50%, and a lot of folk, even elderly folk, will walk away untouched whatever happens so the world will go on
but on the other hand squashing down transmission is basically going to be impossible without population scale testing (or global vaccination), too many infectious people can't be found without it
I get the feeling that whilst its not been said this evening the UK government still expects the vast majority of people to contract the virus. The shutdown is simply attempting to stem the tide of infections to a level that is easier to cope with than simply letting it run rampant.
The real question will be how well things hold out and how the country will re-activate. I can see them likely relaxing some restrictions, not all, and then clamping down again once the surge of new infections rises.
It might be that we go through several peak and fall periods with the disease.
It does feel like the initial "herd immunity" hypothesis blew up in their face with reports of hospitals already becoming overwhelmed, and they found wisdom in following the standard protocol.
If I were of the suspicious kind, I'd be wondering whose friends sold stock in which businesses before the delayed lockdown announcement.
Overread wrote: Eh that sounds a bit overblown and like its taken the most extreme example - eg sitting at home, with the windows drawn, only watching the TV. There are loads of ways to exercise indoors; you can stand by the window for sunlight etc...
Depends on how you live. I live on 27 square meters. There's exactly one spot in my house that's not my bed where I can lie on the floor without having to pull my legs up or something. And when lying in that spot I can't stretch my arms because the closet is in the way then. As luck would have it I have physiotherapy right now for back and shoulder pains so during my next appointment (which will be by phone most likely) I'll ask for some leg workouts that don't require walking around (as I simply don't have the space for that) because I really don't want to get thrombosis while I'm about 95-99% locked up for the foreseeable future.
For anyone who wants some workout routines to do at home, you could always pick up a copy of Charles Bronson's book (the notorious criminal, not the actor ).
Basically his guide for how he stayed in shape whilst in solitary confinement for decades.
Somewhat sarcastic, no idea how good it is but he has managed to keep in ridiculous shape for someone stuck in a cell for pretty much all his adult life
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In other news, the latest UK government plans includes the quarantine of people who are vulnerable to the disease for 12 weeks. Seeing as I qualify as vulnerable I guess I'm gonna be cooped up for quite some time, so forgive me if my posts on here become somewhat erratic and nonsensical!
In other, other news; I am off to plead with the king of the potato people to sort this whole mess out so he will let me go.
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To commemorate lockdown I have decided to watch the full version of Fukkatsu No Hi, a multilingual classic with no subtitles. Well worth the watch. Link provided.
n'oublie jamais - It appears I now have to highlight this again.
It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion. By the juice of the brew my thoughts aquire speed, my mind becomes strained, the strain becomes a warning. It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion.
Overread wrote: I get the feeling that whilst its not been said this evening the UK government still expects the vast majority of people to contract the virus. The shutdown is simply attempting to stem the tide of infections to a level that is easier to cope with than simply letting it run rampant.
The real question will be how well things hold out and how the country will re-activate. I can see them likely relaxing some restrictions, not all, and then clamping down again once the surge of new infections rises.
It might be that we go through several peak and fall periods with the disease.
The problem is we can't afford to let the majority of the population contract the virus. Building group immunity in a way that doesn't overwhelm the medical system will take decades with current Intensive Care capacity. Still a couple years if we manage to increase capacity tenfold. And then there's the risk of the virus mutating so much thanks to having millions of hosts that a vaccine isn't going to cover everything anymore.
Overread wrote: I get the feeling that whilst its not been said this evening the UK government still expects the vast majority of people to contract the virus. The shutdown is simply attempting to stem the tide of infections to a level that is easier to cope with than simply letting it run rampant.
The real question will be how well things hold out and how the country will re-activate. I can see them likely relaxing some restrictions, not all, and then clamping down again once the surge of new infections rises.
It might be that we go through several peak and fall periods with the disease.
The current shutdown is necessary just to prevent total collapse of the health service in the near term(it would have been more effective at doing that if we'd started a month ago, but evidently BoBo and Dom were quite happy to see the herd thinned out a bit until they saw enough polling telling them that actually, most folk would actually be quite angry if forced to roll the dice on whether or not Granny sees another Christmas), but unless and until we get either a vaccine or an antiviral effective enough to knock C19 back to a similar level of seriousness to catching a mild flu, the only practical solution is to follow South Korea's example - mass testing, rapid contact tracing, enforced isolation for the infected.
Honestly I'm kind of baffled as to why the UK government are so hesitant to do testing. It's cheaper for the NHS than letting the virus run rampant. It would allow the economy to return to something approaching normalcy a lot sooner. It would require much less social control. Yet even now with a police-enforced lockdown of the whole country, they're only talking about ramping up testing for health service workers and people who're already showing symptoms.
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Overread wrote: I get the feeling that whilst its not been said this evening the UK government still expects the vast majority of people to contract the virus. The shutdown is simply attempting to stem the tide of infections to a level that is easier to cope with than simply letting it run rampant.
The real question will be how well things hold out and how the country will re-activate. I can see them likely relaxing some restrictions, not all, and then clamping down again once the surge of new infections rises.
It might be that we go through several peak and fall periods with the disease.
The problem is we can't afford to let the majority of the population contract the virus. Building group immunity in a way that doesn't overwhelm the medical system will take decades with current Intensive Care capacity. Still a couple years if we manage to increase capacity tenfold. And then there's the risk of the virus mutating so much thanks to having millions of hosts that a vaccine isn't going to cover everything anymore.
80% have mild symptoms and do not require hospitalisation, and 14% require only limited care, the remaining 6% get critically ill. There will be overstretch but possibly not to breaking point. Also herd immunity will reach a point where the isolated do not get it at all when they come out of isolation. The government strategy had a good chance of working, but political pressure got too high, and too many people were totally ignoring all precautions. Lets deal with this sensibly didn't work, too many people are unsensible, now the government must use stick.
n'oublie jamais - It appears I now have to highlight this again.
It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion. By the juice of the brew my thoughts aquire speed, my mind becomes strained, the strain becomes a warning. It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion.
I think most people would rather take their chances with the Spanish Flu than wake up in East Berlin - but the media makes it sound like a complete loss of liberty, autonomy, and a grotesque invasion of privacy is fun little family vacation. Why wouldn't you want to save Pop-pop's life by complete authoritarian control over all aspects of your life?
Sqorgar wrote: I think most people would rather take their chances with the Spanish Flu than wake up in East Berlin - but the media makes it sound like a complete loss of liberty, autonomy, and a grotesque invasion of privacy is fun little family vacation. Why wouldn't you want to save Pop-pop's life by complete authoritarian control over all aspects of your life?
proably because we understand it's a temporary measure and some people won't obey the good sense guidelines until they're told they could be arrested if they don't
Opinions are not facts please don't confuse the two
Overread wrote: Eh that sounds a bit overblown and like its taken the most extreme example - eg sitting at home, with the windows drawn, only watching the TV. There are loads of ways to exercise indoors; you can stand by the window for sunlight etc...
Depends on how you live. I live on 27 square meters. There's exactly one spot in my house that's not my bed where I can lie on the floor without having to pull my legs up or something. And when lying in that spot I can't stretch my arms because the closet is in the way then. As luck would have it I have physiotherapy right now for back and shoulder pains so during my next appointment (which will be by phone most likely) I'll ask for some leg workouts that don't require walking around (as I simply don't have the space for that) because I really don't want to get thrombosis while I'm about 95-99% locked up for the foreseeable future.
Yoga is a surprisingly effective exercise which is done in one spot. It's easy to learn a basic routine.
Overread wrote: Eh that sounds a bit overblown and like its taken the most extreme example - eg sitting at home, with the windows drawn, only watching the TV. There are loads of ways to exercise indoors; you can stand by the window for sunlight etc...
Depends on how you live. I live on 27 square meters. There's exactly one spot in my house that's not my bed where I can lie on the floor without having to pull my legs up or something. And when lying in that spot I can't stretch my arms because the closet is in the way then. As luck would have it I have physiotherapy right now for back and shoulder pains so during my next appointment (which will be by phone most likely) I'll ask for some leg workouts that don't require walking around (as I simply don't have the space for that) because I really don't want to get thrombosis while I'm about 95-99% locked up for the foreseeable future.
Yoga is a surprisingly effective exercise which is done in one spot. It's easy to learn a basic routine.
You know it seems so obvious but I did not think of that. Thanks, seriously.
So with the uk on lock down and my wife and two boys are all safe at home, I’m sat having a coffee before leaving for a job that’s classed as critical and Apper to be a key worker...
Yay pure joy. In all honesty the anxiety is starting to kick in now as have to put my trust in people that I can’t say really warrant it. Been doing well as went in to survival mode making sure my family have everything they would need for a while and had total awareness of the situation..
Even my 4 yrs old knows that he has to be careful and be sure to wash his hands. Hell he even took it in his stride that his nursery was closing due to people getting bad bugs in their belly’s. His words not mine.
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I've been home with a slight fever and the runs for a week. Hopefully they give me a test as I work in care for someone on a respirator and it would be good to know if I'm a hazard.
Locally, a bigger problem than corona is our new far-right government (we're talking "nazis were the good guys" far) that refuses to supply us with protective gear and is taking the opportunity to seize more power and embezzle money left and right.
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The old meta is dead and the new meta struggles to be born. Now is the time of munchkins.
Honestly I'm kind of baffled as to why the UK government are so hesitant to do testing. It's cheaper for the NHS than letting the virus run rampant. It would allow the economy to return to something approaching normalcy a lot sooner. It would require much less social control. Yet even now with a police-enforced lockdown of the whole country, they're only talking about ramping up testing for health service workers and people who're already showing symptoms.
We don't have the capacity until we have faster testing methods in place. Processing labs are overrun and we already have multiday lags.
Future War Cultist wrote: Might be walking into a sacking today, although with what I’ve been recording (even before this all started), god help them if they do.
Good luck.
Hopefully they for once learn.
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