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GoatboyBeta wrote:
So here is another reason its hard to keep politics out of the discussion....

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52407177

Trump is actually suggesting injecting disinfectant. What the actual

Hopefully he decides to prove he's a true leader BY TRYING IT ON HIMSELF FIRST!!!

The rest of the world marvel’s at America letting armed terrorists roam the streets threatening civil authorities under the guise of protest.
In any other sane country these people would be locked up for life. I’m a conservative who owns a gun myself and I hunt with it.

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

GoatboyBeta wrote:
So here is another reason its hard to keep politics out of the discussion....

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52407177

Trump is actually suggesting injecting disinfectant. What the actual

Hopefully he decides to prove he's a true leader BY TRYING IT ON HIMSELF FIRST!!!

Insert Skaven army rules joke.

 Knockagh wrote:
The rest of the world marvel’s at America letting armed terrorists roam the streets threatening civil authorities under the guise of protest.
In any other sane country these people would be locked up for life. I’m a conservative who owns a gun myself and I hunt with it.

Honestly, I'm kidna drunk off last night (drinking alone in front of my computer), but still, even when I'm sober, the man has some weird dumbass charisma imo

OK, guys, this thread's been allowed a lot of leeway, but I just removed a bunch of discussion on the Chinese Government and the political standing of the WHO, which as topics are really pushing over into overt politics discussion. Let's steer clear of this sort of discussion moving forward, please.

JWBS wrote:
Is he trolling us? Honestly - I don't mean to be offensive - I haven't been following world news as of late (the past year or two), but recently I've been forced to, for obvious reasons. Now, I'm a man in his Thirties - I'm from the UK, and was indoctrinated into a Leftist way of thinking in my youth, and I gradually became more Conservative as I matured - All that said, I've lately been watching a lot of Trump and one thing I can say is this -He is HILARIOUS! I'd definitely vote for him

whilest i disagree on the conclusion that you'd should vote for a "hilarious" politician, i wouldn't put it past him to actually believe in that.

Fun fact injecting Alcohol in such a way is one of the most painfull ways to do something, not to mention sanitizer.

Further fun fact, rubbing alcohol (typically 60%) is allready potentially dangerous for infants, now skip the skin as a barrier and make up your own mind.

Further fun fact, highly precisce injections of alcohol are also used to fight tumors, which btw as a sideeffect grants fever, pain that needs medication and more. And in more extreme and unlucky cases , Death.

Tbf tho if you die you are a smaller vector for spread maybee that's his angle? probably not.

Understood. Sorry for the politics, I understand it isn't conducive to a harmonious environment (I really do dislike seeing other people's political opinions here - except, weirdly, my own )

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

GoatboyBeta wrote:
So here is another reason its hard to keep politics out of the discussion....

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52407177

Trump is actually suggesting injecting disinfectant. What the actual

Hopefully he decides to prove he's a true leader BY TRYING IT ON HIMSELF FIRST!!!

I doubt he'd survive it, in his age.

 insaniak wrote:
OK, guys, this thread's been allowed a lot of leeway, but I just removed a bunch of discussion on the Chinese Government and the political standing of the WHO, which as topics are really pushing over into overt politics discussion. Let's steer clear of this sort of discussion moving forward, please.

So to be clear, US politics are fine to stay?

 DominayTrix wrote:

So to be clear, US politics are fine to stay?

So far as it relates directly to people's experience with coronavirus, there's some leeway, so long as it stays civil.

To set some sort of benchmark, pointing out that a political figure said something stupid about coronavirus treatment is fine. Going from there to attacking or endorsing a particular political group as a result of that would be less fine.

 insaniak wrote:

 DominayTrix wrote:

So to be clear, US politics are fine to stay?

So far as it relates directly to people's experience with coronavirus, there's some leeway, so long as it stays civil.

To set some sort of benchmark, pointing out that a political figure said something stupid about coronavirus treatment is fine. Going from there to attacking or endorsing a particular political group as a result of that would be less fine.

Can I quote Trump's press conference in full? I'm watching it again, and it really is absolutely surreal when it is spoken and also subtitled - again everyone, I actually like this guy, he is undoubtedly mesmerizing in so many ways!


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"So...Supposing we hit the body...whether it is ultraviolet or just tremendously powerful light "

Seriously, this type of proclamation must be carved into stone somewhere!


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"And,.. it hasn't been checked, but you're going to test it? And...supposing it's brought inside of the body"

Ok I'm gonna stop now. Seriously though, watch this clip, it's good.

Not Online!!! wrote:
Fun fact injecting Alcohol in such a way is one of the most painfull ways to do something

Not to mention a total waste of alcohol that could have been butt-chugged.

Kinda interesting how now that we found out hydroxychroquine kills more people than it helps when used to treat covid, we're now just kind of pretending that wasn't a thing, huh?

The TV movies about this period in time are going to be amazing.

 Ouze wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
Fun fact injecting Alcohol in such a way is one of the most painfull ways to do something

Not to mention a total waste of alcohol that could have been butt-chugged.

Kinda interesting how now that we found out hydroxychroquine kills more people than it helps when used to treat covid, we're now just kind of pretending that wasn't a thing, huh?

The TV movies about this period in time are going to be amazing.

Why do you think Dakka has a thread specific for stupidity.
Aka the mankind continues to learn nothing (from sci-fi).

in many ways i beleive it is our timelines big thing.
like ww1 was for the 20th and napoleon for the 19th.

 Ouze wrote:


The TV movies about this period in time are going to be amazing.

I was there Son. I was there, when Mister Trump said that. I was there.


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Not Online!!! wrote:


in many ways i beleive it is our timelines big thing.
like ww1 was for the 20th and napoleon for the 19th.

Read some Imperial ROme (there is a lot, and it's actually more exciting even than this : )

Crispy78 wrote:

JWBS wrote:
Is he trolling us? Honestly - I don't mean to be offensive - I haven't been following world news as of late (the past year or two), but recently I've been forced to, for obvious reasons. Now, I'm a man in his Thirties - I'm from the UK, and was indoctrinated into a Leftist way of thinking in my youth, and I gradually became more Conservative as I matured - All that said, I've lately been watching a lot of Trump and one thing I can say is this -He is HILARIOUS! I'd definitely vote for him

No, he's just that ignorant. He's a walking, talking Dunning-Kruger Effect.

And the last time he touted a treatment, some pair of idiots self-medicated with bloody aquarium cleaner containing the chemical in question - and died.

His latest idea on dealing with corona. Inject disinfectants to patients. You know. The kind of stuff people inject as form of suicide...That's not healthy or safe even in diluted form to put into human body.

Seems he's deliberately trying to kill off as many americans as possible.


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Not Online!!! wrote:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

GoatboyBeta wrote:
So here is another reason its hard to keep politics out of the discussion....

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52407177

Trump is actually suggesting injecting disinfectant. What the actual

Hopefully he decides to prove he's a true leader BY TRYING IT ON HIMSELF FIRST!!!

I doubt he'd survive it, in his age.

But since he's suggesting it as a treatment surely it's not dangerous. After all surely he wouldn't suggest anything dangerous and lethal So prove it by showing how it's done! Lead by example like good leader does!

And if he dies...Well at least then the guy suggesting it dies and not some innocent person who is put to to test it by "leader" who leads from the back rather than front like leaders do.

 Ouze wrote:
The TV movies about this period in time are going to be amazing.

In 15-20 years Nicholas Cage is going to be perfect for the role

 Ouze wrote:

Kinda interesting how now that we found out hydroxychroquine kills more people than it helps when used to treat covid, we're now just kind of pretending that wasn't a thing, huh?
.

Not entirely. I've seen a couple of commentators suggest that it's just a media beatup to discredit the treatment.

 Disciple of Fate wrote:

 Ouze wrote:
The TV movies about this period in time are going to be amazing.

In 15-20 years Nicholas Cage is going to be perfect for the role

I can't unsee.

 insaniak wrote:

 Ouze wrote:

Kinda interesting how now that we found out hydroxychroquine kills more people than it helps when used to treat covid, we're now just kind of pretending that wasn't a thing, huh?
.

Not entirely. I've seen a couple of commentators suggest that it's just a media beatup to discredit the treatment.

Honestly never heard of it until now. So people are trying home remedies? And I imagine these people probably aren't even infected?

JWBS wrote:
[Honestly never heard of it until now. So people are trying home remedies? And I imagine these people probably aren't even infected?

Oh yeah, one guy and his wife drank fish tank cleaner (chrolorquine phosphate) right after the President suggested hydroxychlorquinine. .

Coronavirus is definitely no longer a concern for him.


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 insaniak wrote:
Not entirely. I've seen a couple of commentators suggest that it's just a media beatup to discredit the treatment.

I think my least favorite thing about this current timeframe in the US is literally everything now has to be filtered through this stupid red\blue lens. Someone says something dangerously stupid? You're just biased, as your bias has any relevance as to whether or not those ideas are dangerously stupid, and often, consistently so. It wasn't this way not that long ago - the country was previously capable of coming together during a disaster. Now I don't even see a way forward to getting there.

I would bet any amount of money within the next week someone shows up dead after injecting lysol or frying themselves with a tanning lamp or something.

You know its honestly rather scary when you're on the outside looking in that Trump is allowed to even make these wild claims on national television to his people. I wager in many other countries they'd have somehow gagged their leader or heavily curtailed what they were allowed to say during a disaster if they were prone to daftness of the scale of suggesting to inject disinfectant into peoples bloodstream.

The scariest part for me is that there are an these doctors screaming 'No, don't inject disinfectant' who are going to be dismissed as biased, or trying to profit somehow.

I’m getting visions of Bernard Black...

Oven cleaner? If it clean Ovens, it can clean me,

 insaniak wrote:
The scariest part for me is that there are an these doctors screaming 'No, don't inject disinfectant' who are going to be dismissed as biased, or trying to profit somehow.

As time goes on, it starting to look more and more like these are the type of people that click on those online adds you see proclaiming (paraphrased) "this guy found the cure for Coronavirus and doctors hate him!".

If only one of the wasn’t President.

Is it normal for any US President to be this free from any kind of oversight restraint type stuff?

Seriously, not getting into the party side, just the mechanics. For instance, the Queen is completely immune from prosecution. The armed forces belong to her, not the Government.

Yet there are checks on her use of said power. Whilst she could, theoretically, have anyone killed, it’s understood that she doesn’t. Whilst she could, theoretically, pardon or order someone to be found Not Guilty, it’s understood that she doesn’t. In theory she wields absolute power, but it’s understood that she doesn’t.

I just can’t imagine other heads of state of the Western world, particularly a proud republic wouldn’t have similar restraint mechanisms?

Remember. Just want to know if they exist or not. Let’s not get into whether they should or shouldn’t be used, because that’s Politics with a capital P, and my question is more politic.

 Ouze wrote:


I think my least favorite thing about this current timeframe in the US is literally everything now has to be filtered through this stupid red\blue lens. Someone says something dangerously stupid? You're just biased, as your bias has any relevance as to whether or not those ideas are dangerously stupid, and often, consistently so. It wasn't this way not that long ago - the country was previously capable of coming together during a disaster. Now I don't even see a way forward to getting there.

I would bet any amount of money within the next week someone shows up dead after injecting lysol or frying themselves with a tanning lamp or something.

i feel like that has to do with the two party system. It leads to vastly more influence of the respective wings due to publicity.
A decent shattering via reform might need to happen for this effect to slowly subside, however then you'd end up with coalition politics potentially.

Ed conway, economics editor for sky, suggests a 10% one off wealth tax to pay for the lockdown.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/has-the-time-come-for-a-one-off-wealth-tax-mrt3bqs8m


Yeah, I can't see that happening.

Can the number of deaths be directly linked to Trump explaining his "good you-know-what"? Can he be held responsible for them?

Also, did any experts get to look at the material he wheeled out beforehand? Who told him that "Sunlight impedes virus transmission"?

 Overread wrote:
You know its honestly rather scary when you're on the outside looking in that Trump is allowed to even make these wild claims on national television to his people. I wager in many other countries they'd have somehow gagged their leader or heavily curtailed what they were allowed to say during a disaster if they were prone to daftness of the scale of suggesting to inject disinfectant into peoples bloodstream.

It'd be unthinkable over here.
However unlike the US where top positions often of officials still change hand according to patronage system with each new president we have as a counter balance to the militia system for politicians a well disciplined and trained staff of officials at the federal level. Which often runs the country inbetween sessions and are responsible for basically everything, including army logistics, state television, statistics (very important) Medical planning, etc.



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 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
Ed conway, economics editor for sky, suggests a 10% one off wealth tax to pay for the lockdown.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/has-the-time-come-for-a-one-off-wealth-tax-mrt3bqs8m


Yeah, I can't see that happening.

As a concept affecting the super rich, maybee. However effectiveness depends o the strucutre of the tax system in place.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
If only one of the wasn’t President.

Is it normal for any US President to be this free from any kind of oversight restraint type stuff?

Seriously, not getting into the party side, just the mechanics. For instance, the Queen is completely immune from prosecution. The armed forces belong to her, not the Government.

Yet there are checks on her use of said power. Whilst she could, theoretically, have anyone killed, it’s understood that she doesn’t. Whilst she could, theoretically, pardon or order someone to be found Not Guilty, it’s understood that she doesn’t. In theory she wields absolute power, but it’s understood that she doesn’t.

I just can’t imagine other heads of state of the Western world, particularly a proud republic wouldn’t have similar restraint mechanisms?

Remember. Just want to know if they exist or not. Let’s not get into whether they should or shouldn’t be used, because that’s Politics with a capital P, and my question is more politic.

There are checks (Congress, SCOTUS, 2nd amendment) but they've either also been compromised or would lead to civil war.

On the subject of Taiwan, how much of their success is due to them literally being an island? I'd imagine rigorous testing etc. is a lot easier when you're geographically isolated, no?