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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/07/08 08:11:51
Subject: Coronavirus
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Executing Exarch
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ScarletRose wrote: queen_annes_revenge wrote:If I was a potential oxbridge student I would be seriously considering whether I still wanted to attend. especially considering both of their behaviour as of late
I'm guessing this is a veiled form of the same political swipe that happens here in the US when it comes to complaining about higher education, but can someone from the UK confirm?
I suspect regardless of political stance that paying the same fee for a much reduced service isnt that enticing, especially as both those places hike the fees based on being a premium brand on a level the even gw would be impressed by
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/07/08 08:19:10
Subject: Coronavirus
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The Dread Evil Lord Varlak
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Excactly why did the great Gatsby get banned?
Also :
„Das war ein Vorspiel nur, dort wo man Bücher verbrennt, verbrennt man auch am Ende Menschen.“
Heinrich Heine.
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https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/766717.page
A Mostly Renegades and Heretics blog.
GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units."
Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?"
Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?"
GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!"
Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/07/08 08:32:22
Subject: Re:Coronavirus
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Executing Exarch
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I suspect for the usual mistake of being a book nearly a century old not conforming to current virtue standards
but back OT seems the past weekend has reignited the numbers in the shire prior to which we were doing relatively well
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/07/08 09:47:30
Subject: Coronavirus
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If anything universities will have to invest more money in new infrastructure to maintain distance teaching rather than rely on what they've already got. Plus building maintenance and such still has to take place even when they aren't being used for a one year period for students - you can bet researchers and such are still going to be using the facilities. Especially in the sciences where you can't just take the machines home for the weekend.
So I can see valid justification for why fees won't go down. Plus they will be losing out on a huge amount of cash from the university students living costs. Indeed I suspect both towns will see some people who run rental services for students losing a LOT of money (esp considering many will squeeze as many students as they can into a house and charge each one a full rent). I foresee many having issues paying mortgage's on their small rental empires.
So I suspect the universities won't be as flush with cash as people think. Sure they won't have to clean the toilets as often, but they've got to have investment into better distance learning resources; staff might have to remake huge segments of their courses to reflect distance learning practice etc...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/07/08 10:04:40
Subject: Coronavirus
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A friend of mine is in academia - senior lecturer at a major university. He reckons a big university is going to go under sooner or later.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/07/08 10:43:32
Subject: Coronavirus
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Joined the Military for Authentic Experience
On an Express Elevator to Hell!!
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tneva82 wrote:So us broke 60k daily case record. And trump still worried about november goes nuts over harvard doing courses via net due to virus.
tneva82 - I keep getting confused by your flag!
I have a friend in Finland who reports almost no cases and things starting to open up again (but just about the ongoing issue with Sweden and people coming over the border..)
60k cases a day in a country with only 5 million people would be horrible to imagine..
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/07/08 11:09:57
Subject: Coronavirus
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The Dread Evil Lord Varlak
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He means the USA.
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https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/766717.page
A Mostly Renegades and Heretics blog.
GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units."
Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?"
Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?"
GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!"
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/07/08 11:26:28
Subject: Coronavirus
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Ruthless Interrogator
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Meanwhile in Belfast
http://www.irishnews.com/paywall/tsb/irishnews/irishnews/irishnews//news/2020/07/08/news/queen-s-university-charters-jet-to-bring-chinese-students-direct-to-belfast-1998220/content.html
Universities have become corporations masquerading as educational establishments. This prime example shows how corporations will always prioritise greed over public health.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/07/08 11:37:09
Subject: Coronavirus
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queen_annes_revenge wrote:oxford have removed books like 'the great gatsby' from their curriculum due to their 'content'. You'll have to research cambridge yourself as its not suitable for here. this is not how the countries premier higher education establishment is supposed to act, so unless I was planning to study maths or science, I would be reconsidering whether it was worth it. but this is already off topic for this thread so... Source for this? Google brings up nothing.
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The Laws of Thermodynamics:
1) You cannot win. 2) You cannot break even. 3) You cannot stop playing the game.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/07/08 11:47:06
Subject: Coronavirus
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Crushing Black Templar Crusader Pilot
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Google brings up nothing because it's categorically untrue.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/07/08 11:50:35
Subject: Coronavirus
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It is also off topic.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/07/08 12:46:52
Subject: Coronavirus
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Joined the Military for Authentic Experience
On an Express Elevator to Hell!!
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Attempts to get the thread closed perhaps?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/07/08 15:50:57
Subject: Coronavirus
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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queen_annes_revenge wrote:If I was a potential oxbridge student I would be seriously considering whether I still wanted to attend. especially considering both of their behaviour as of late, and as far as I'm aware, they aren't dropping fees to reflect the online only curriculum.
They don't have an online only curriculum. Cambridge has moved to online only lectures for 2020-21 due to covid. Lectures are a minority of Oxbridge teaching. The overwhelming majority of their teaching is done in supervisions - usually two students and an academic, sometimes even one-to-one, almost never more than five - and they're going ahead as normal because they're easy to accommodate. To my knowledge Oxford hasn't done even that.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/07/08 16:55:27
Subject: Coronavirus
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Anti-piracy Officer
Somewhere in south-central England.
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Oxford University Press publishes a version of The Great Gatsby. I'm not aware of a reason why it would be removed from the university curriculum. I read it when I was 14 or something anyway. It's a good book.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/07/08 17:14:38
Subject: Coronavirus
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Executing Exarch
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Kilkrazy wrote:Oxford University Press publishes a version of The Great Gatsby. I'm not aware of a reason why it would be removed from the university curriculum. I read it when I was 14 or something anyway. It's a good book.
its the near annual 'story' of various stripes of attention seeking cockwombles wanting 'problematic' texts removed from reading lists or study, which the gutter media duly report as something that matters (and never report the follow up of the establishment rejecting such demands)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/07/08 17:45:14
Subject: Coronavirus
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Battlefield Tourist
MN (Currently in WY)
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Well, the Great Gatsby does have a some pretty racist and eugenics related discussions by one of the wealthy elite. However, I think that it is important to keep this element to the book as it makes said character look even worse when lined up with his action. I wish I could recall which character it is, but some of it even makes it into the Robert Redford movie.
Now, related to Covid- My rural community is starting to learn what an R Value is as COVID has finally rolled into town. Despite that, our local community has adopted the Mayor from Jaws approach to the issue. Cases have been steadily going up. However, the new surge is among younger people so the death rate has stayed pretty steady.
Masks are completely optional and a political litmus test here. Information like "it is no worse than the Flu", and "masks are useless", and if you are "Young everything will be fine" continues to be the standard wisdom. I even hear, "Do you know anyone who has had it? It is overblown" on occasion.
Is it the same in other rural parts of your country out there?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/07/08 19:07:19
Subject: Re:Coronavirus
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Executing Exarch
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My corner of the Shire, semi-rural southwest UK has just hit a week with 0 hospital virus related recorded deaths, but cases have picked up following the first week of being allowed out to play, but generally folks are being quite mindful with masks being fairly common place and screens and hand sanitser in all the shops i use
The other issue is the local economy is somewhat reliant on tourism so an influx of unwitting carriers might spoil our luck especially as we are approaching the peak period of the school holidays (mid july - early sept)
Personally ive most likely over-worried on behalf of my 89 year old dad who is somewhat 'set in his ways' and doesnt quite get it, on the upside the weather has been crappy and cold so he hasnt ventured out
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/07/08 20:20:39
Subject: Coronavirus
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Wolf Guard Bodyguard in Terminator Armor
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If we're taking this too far, by all means let a mod step in, but in the meantime, I find I actually agree with QAR in this.
Universities should not be in the business of self-censorship to avoid insulting anyone, their whole point is to increase humanity's knowledge base and foster discussion and independent, critical thought by letting both sides have their say.
Edit: should have read the rest. If this is not an actual thing that happened, then I worried over nothing, although I stand by my point.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/07/08 20:39:42
Subject: Coronavirus
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Thane of Dol Guldur
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A Town Called Malus wrote: queen_annes_revenge wrote:oxford have removed books like 'the great gatsby' from their curriculum due to their 'content'. You'll have to research cambridge yourself as its not suitable for here.
this is not how the countries premier higher education establishment is supposed to act, so unless I was planning to study maths or science, I would be reconsidering whether it was worth it.
but this is already off topic for this thread so...
Source for this? Google brings up nothing.
Looks like I was wrong. It was around April time I recall reading it, but I can only find something from Alaska now. Fair enough. I'll hold my hands up.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/07/08 21:17:55
Subject: Re:Coronavirus
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Executing Exarch
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Google 'oxford book ban' which brings up a story from early May that might be the one youre thinking
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/07/08 23:12:28
Subject: Re:Coronavirus
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Fixture of Dakka
West Michigan, deep in Whitebread, USA
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Well, here's to hoping the C19 test being taken by the maintenance guy I just delivered a bunch of stuff to this morning comes back soon, and negative......I got back from some other deliveries today and my company notified me he called them to say he might have been exposed yesterday, and he found out after I was delivering to him.
Hopefully I distanced enough from him, but we'll see. I really hope he is negative, as he was ALSO walking around the home store of my business yesterday, too, with no mask or anything on. My company doesn't even make customers wear masks in the store, so even if I managed to distance from him, if he got any of the rest of the company sick, I'll probably still end up getting it from them.
Even after hearing this, my company still has a "Meh, whatever. We'll all get it eventually, so why stress over it. If he gave it to us looks like we're all screwed" mentality.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/07/08 23:20:28
Subject: Coronavirus
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Rampaging Carnifex
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We're kicking the gak out of covid up here in Canada. Ontario is nearly down to double digit increases per day, and yesterday we had zero deaths from the virus. I mean no offense to our American neighbors but I'm sincerely hoping we don't reopen the border any time soon, as we seem to have a much better handle on it than you guys. Really hoping things turn around soon for you!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/07/09 00:55:57
Subject: Re:Coronavirus
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Fixture of Dakka
West Michigan, deep in Whitebread, USA
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Michigan 8s also quite low at the moment, but obviously still around, if today is any indication.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/07/09 01:21:59
Subject: Coronavirus
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Bran Dawri wrote:If we're taking this too far, by all means let a mod step in, but in the meantime, I find I actually agree with QAR in this.
Universities should not be in the business of self-censorship to avoid insulting anyone, their whole point is to increase humanity's knowledge base and foster discussion and independent, critical thought by letting both sides have their say.
That is absolutely and categorically untrue. Universities are not obliged to spend energy debunking Flat Earthers, for instance. There is no inherent value in discourse, it is a means to an end (as you noted yourself, greater understanding); if someone is acting in a manner contrary to the purpose of the discourse existing in the first place, the University is morally obliged to tell that person to get bent. I'm not saying this to take a stance pro or anti The Great Gatsby, just as an abstract argument about the nature of Universities.
Free speech is, as was humorously alluded to earlier on the page, not an end in and of itself. Every society on Earth limits speech to some extent, through legislation on fraud, perjury, and slander. This fetishization of free speech as some sacrosanct God-given right is ridiculous. It's perfectly possible to argue against limitations on free speech without assuming that it is an absolute right (which it blatantly isn't).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/07/09 01:29:57
Subject: Re:Coronavirus
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It is still off topic.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/07/09 01:45:35
Subject: Re:Coronavirus
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Sorry, won't continue.
At any rate, I'm hoping the Swedish situation will lead to a deeper study of the way our elderly care is structured. IIRC both state-run and private care providers have been hit roughly equally hard, so the question is why so many people in elderly care have been infected.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/07/09 02:09:06
Subject: Re:Coronavirus
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Not sure if it's making news with the state of the world at large but here in AUS we had an outbreak in Melbourne, with 9 or so public housing buildings being put into pretty much total lockdown. The gov is getting a lot of flak for how poorly run the action was, some people claiming racial discrimination as well.
Oh, and the state, Victoria, has had it's borders closed from the rest of Australia.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/07/09 02:32:16
Subject: Re:Coronavirus
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I finally met someone a few days ago who has had the virus and since recovered. She said it really sucks and she had to be on a respirator for a few days. Literally the first person I've met who had it. My town is also enacting a mandatory mask-wearing order starting Friday, which is gonna suck but if it helps I suppose it's for the best. I'm personally not convinced it's going to help. To use an analogy, it's like pouring a bucket of water on the pile of burnt ashes that used to be your house. Too little too late.
I'm honestly very concerned that things are going to get pretty nightmarish in the US soon. I think a second lockdown is definitely in the cards, and my earlier prediction of 500,000 deaths in the US may not be an exaggeration. That would be almost as many people dying as there were soldiers that died on BOTH sides in the US Civil War. I don't want to get political or anything, but I think the whole thing has been mishandled at all levels of government (from the President on down). Not sure another administration could or would have done better though, as this is a pretty unprecedented situation and even the WHO has backpedaled on recommendations and stuff. Yes, there have been pandemics in the past, but not with the level of both international and local travel options we have now, so the spread was more limited back then, so the dynamics are somewhat different (to say nothing about this being a completely different disease).
Here's hoping the medical scientists can come up with a cure or a vaccine soon so we can all get back to our lives (and no one else has to lose theirs to this stupid virus).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/07/09 04:16:37
Subject: Coronavirus
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Easy E wrote:Well, the Great Gatsby does have a some pretty racist and eugenics related discussions by one of the wealthy elite. However, I think that it is important to keep this element to the book as it makes said character look even worse when lined up with his action. I wish I could recall which character it is, but some of it even makes it into the Robert Redford movie.
Now, related to Covid- My rural community is starting to learn what an R Value is as COVID has finally rolled into town. Despite that, our local community has adopted the Mayor from Jaws approach to the issue. Cases have been steadily going up. However, the new surge is among younger people so the death rate has stayed pretty steady.
Masks are completely optional and a political litmus test here. Information like "it is no worse than the Flu", and "masks are useless", and if you are "Young everything will be fine" continues to be the standard wisdom. I even hear, "Do you know anyone who has had it? It is overblown" on occasion.
Is it the same in other rural parts of your country out there?
My corner of rural America is odd. We've had few cases in the county, and while they've been slowly going up, they've been going up at a rate of single digits a week in most weeks. However, its now the height of the usual tourist season here and now that things are 'open' people are coming out. I rarely go anywhere, and most often when I do its to turn the car engine over and drop something off in the post box outside the post office (so I interact with no one), and the number of people out and about is fairly normal (which is too busy for my tastes given everything). My retiree parents had a doctor's appointment today, and the hospital is taking precautions, even in the little external clinics that handle regular patient visits. Information is taken outside, and then you're taken to a examination room to wait, where you stay until you're done. No waiting areas anymore, and no interaction with non-doctors/nurses. So that's good, but it isn't the norm. Stores are requiring masks, but people are chaffing.
Unfortunately, the general protests that are also going on have reached us. An Antifa threat over July 4th and flag burnings had counter-protesters show up (but no antifa), and the counter-protesters were well and openly armed, and social distancing and masks was not in their bag (luckily there were no incidents this year- two years back a similar event had some idiot shoot himself in the thigh with his holstered pistol). So this weekend, BLM is staging a counter-counter protest in the traffic circle in the center of town this weekend, while the local Harley Davidson dealership is hosting an anniversary event, which will inevitably draw a lot of the armed counter-protesters back. [Particularly since Bike Week is usually happening this week anyway, for all that its 'officially' cancelled]
So I expect a big Corona virus spike from multiple large gatherings, and possible outbreaks of more immediate violence. Luckily we're several miles outside of town and on the far side of town from the dealership, so no immediate threats here, but between the protests, counter protests, virus and several weeks of absurdly hot weather (good days aren't quite 100 degrees F, just high 90s), I'm expecting bad, bad things to happen with the virus and otherwise.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/07/09 04:39:03
Subject: Re:Coronavirus
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Coronavirus: Why hand-washing and distancing might be 'insufficient' - and herd immunity now looks 'unachievable'
"The novel coronavirus which has so far claimed at least 540,000 lives worldwide is now said to be able to linger in the air for hours after infected people have left. ...
The WHO’s technical lead for infection prevention and control, Benedetta Allegranzi, finally conceded yesterday that the organisation cannot rule out evidence emerging of airborne transmission in “crowded, closed, poorly ventilated settings”. Just days before, she had downplayed the possibility, insisting it was “certainly not supported by solid or even clear evidence”. The change in tone follows an open letter penned by Lidia Morawska, a expert in aerosol science at Queensland University of Technology, and signed by 239 other scientists.They wrote that “hand-washing and social distancing are appropriate, but, in our view, insufficient to provide protection from virus-carrying respiratory microdroplets released into the air by infected people”. Researchers accused the WHO of being “slow and risk-averse in updating its guidance” and allowing “a few conservative voices to shout down dissent” because it could mean more expensive and disruptive control measures.
All this comes after further doubt was shed on the possibility of herd immunity earlier this week by an updated Lancet study showing that just five per cent of Spain’s population has developed antibodies, despite having one of the world’s highest death tolls. Given that seroprevalence of at least 60% would be required, it was concluded that “herd immunity through natural infection is not only highly unethical, but also unachievable”. It is unclear what degree of protection antibodies actually offer anyway, as the study – the largest in Europe to date – also found that over the course of eight weeks, 14% of participants who had initially tested positive for antibodies had no trace of them by the end. That is not to say they are not immune – they could have cellular immunity instead – but it is another of the virus’ conundrums.
Meanwhile, increasing evidence is also emerging about the long-term consequences of infection with Covid-19. Studies have found high rates of lung scarring – even those who had mild symptoms – and of blood clots leading to strokes, heart attacks, lung embolisms, and limb amputations. Abnormal blood clotting has even been reported in patients who appear to have recovered. Neuropsychiatric complications have also emerged, with a study of 125 hospital patients in the UK finding that 39 patients suffered an altered mental state, including encephalitis (an inflammation of the brain which can cause confusion and mobility problems); 10 had a newly diagnosed psychosis; and six had dementia-like symptoms such as short-term memory deterioration. Half of those who experienced altered mental status were younger than 60."
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/18569865.coronavirus-hand-washing-distancing-might-insufficient---herd-immunity-now-looks-unachievable/
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