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Baxx wrote:
House of Chains includes a lot of changes to the core rules. Everyone who wants to play N20 would need these rules updates, if not the book itself.

The rules of the game haven't changed there is no N20, it's still N19. Just now you have a different way to build a Goliath gang. Seems all the gangs will evolve out of Hives of the Underhive--if you want. No one can make you play with these Codexes or HotU, it's your group's choice. Heck you could allow building of gangs using both since each have trade-offs. You just shouldn't be able to cherry pick from either.

Baxx, what would be those changes to the core rules you're talking about? Just for reference, at least.

Also, yeah, we know nobody's going to come and burn our books.

We. All. Know. Already. I don't think anyone still believes in the RPG/tabletop police, by now. So stating it every single time anyone talks bad about a new release doesn't exactly help, you know?

I mean, if we would rather play nekkid and decide to use chicken bones for dice, nobody would make us play different either.

Well ganger and lesser ganger (juve) can only buy weapon from gang list, but for now that only applied to new Goliath, expect the same for every clan house in the future.

They can still however, get wargear from trading post normally.

A welcoming change, I'd say, .

Yeah, this doesn’t change the core rules.

Saying that is like claiming the campaign variants in Book of Judgement etc are a whole new rules set. I mean, they’re not. Instead, they’re just further tools with which to craft your campaign, taking and leaving what you want.

I think he's more referring to some changes to the wording of certain rules that apply to more than just the Goliath gang specifically.

House of chains is worth it for the fluff alone, its basically codex Goliath and has plenty of stuff in the book, quite happy I bought it.

I must admit, I kind of have an issue with it being a "codex Goliath", as I don't exactly feel that something like that is what the game needs.

Also, codex churn, given everything, would it mean they will be releasing a new one every six months?

 Albertorius wrote:
I must admit, I kind of have an issue with it being a "codex Goliath", as I don't exactly feel that something like that is what the game needs.

That's my biggest problem with the book (and the year and half we'll spend getting big books for the other 5 gangs) as none of them move the game forward. We're just going over the same ground for the second time (third in some cases).

GW spent a lot of time talking up the other settings on Necromunda, and showing off concept art of new things (like those wild looking Ash Waste gangs) and what's this quarter's Necro release?

House Goliath 3: The Enmuscleing!

"This time it's slightly different to the last two times!"

 Albertorius wrote:
I must admit, I kind of have an issue with it being a "codex Goliath", as I don't exactly feel that something like that is what the game needs.

Also, codex churn, given everything, would it mean they will be releasing a new one every six months?

I disagree to a point, this game was pathetically lacklustre in the faction specific fluff department and this book goes a way to fix that, it also adds several important thematic elements to the Goliath gangs such as the Vatborn, Natborn and Unborn and other things, I also like how the new gang creation is done.

If the other "house" books are like this I will buy them all for the fluff and theme alone.

As for codex churn, yep I feel your pain on that I would prefer it to be a by monthly thing or just release them monthly

I do get the distaste for what, the third churn of basic gang rules.

But this one goes much further than before. With three sub-classes, two new fighter types, and House specific boons for hired guns, this is the most fleshed out we’ve ever seen a gang.

Whilst it’s impossible to say whether the sub-classes are fair and balanced at the moment (we need something to compare it to), they at least promise greater variety in a campaign where multiple players are playing House Goliath.

I also remain in two minds whether or not they should’ve bothered with Gangs of the Underhive. See, that was essentially a compilation and tidy up of the Gang War volumes. But, it also means all the rules needed to get your first campaign underway are in just two books. Rule Book and Gotu.

On the other? Once all six House Of books are out, will I ever use GotU ever again? Probably not, no.

As I’ve harped on about ever since we found how they were handling the release schedule, it all boils down to whether there’s enough content. For my money, that’s a yes for House of Chains. Because it’s more than just a Goliath book. I can only hope the subsequent volumes continue that.

As for further settings and scenarios? Hopefully we’ll see those once House of is a complete run.

 Albertorius wrote:
I must admit, I kind of have an issue with it being a "codex Goliath", as I don't exactly feel that something like that is what the game needs.

Also, codex churn, given everything, would it mean they will be releasing a new one every six months?

Considering it’s gonna take 18 months just to get the 6 gang books out, I would guess no to every 6 months.

 Chairman Aeon wrote:

Baxx wrote:
House of Chains includes a lot of changes to the core rules. Everyone who wants to play N20 would need these rules updates, if not the book itself.

The rules of the game haven't changed there is no N20, it's still N19. Just now you have a different way to build a Goliath gang. Seems all the gangs will evolve out of Hives of the Underhive--if you want. No one can make you play with these Codexes or HotU, it's your group's choice. Heck you could allow building of gangs using both since each have trade-offs. You just shouldn't be able to cherry pick from either.

The rules haven't changed? Are we reading the same books?!?

- Leading By Example (now called Gang Hierarchy) is made in the End phase (instead of the start of a round).
- Promotions have changed. Juves now promote to Gangers.
- Gangers can't have Special Weapons anymore.
- Ganger (Specialist) can have Special weapons and multiple equipment sets.
- 1 Ganger can be promoted to specialist when founding a gang.
- New Muscle skill set available to any gang.
- Pets no longer gain XP when rallying after being away from owner.
- Pets are automatically included in the owner's Group Activation (clarification). Note that they don't limit the number of other fighters that can join.
- Melta bombs no longer have scarce trait (a known bug since it doesn't make sense).
- Alliances and Hired Guns are added on top of the crew.
- Guild Alliance now explicitly specify the number of fighters (clarification).
- Master-crafted is nerfed to once per battle (was once per activation or round before).
- Reckless has clarifications for eligible targets (in range, rapid fire, melee, versatile).
- Grenade launcher (combi) frag now has Ammo 6+ and lost Single shot.

Additionally, the drastic changes to core gang mechanics for Goliath can easily be extrapolated and expected for all future gangs. It is widely accepted as N20, the sum of these changes are more dramatic than from N18 to N19 (if you acknowledge N19 as different from N18).

As stated, nobody is going to invade your home, burn your books or arrest you for not complying with these changes. At the same time, nobody is playing N17 more. In 1-2 years, nobody will discuss the original rules that now are changed in House of Chains.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:
I must admit, I kind of have an issue with it being a "codex Goliath", as I don't exactly feel that something like that is what the game needs.

Also, codex churn, given everything, would it mean they will be releasing a new one every six months?

Considering it’s gonna take 18 months just to get the 6 gang books out, I would guess no to every 6 months.

They have shown that they will release a book every quarter in what seems to be the sequence of the gang war books.

 Shadox wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:
I must admit, I kind of have an issue with it being a "codex Goliath", as I don't exactly feel that something like that is what the game needs.

Also, codex churn, given everything, would it mean they will be releasing a new one every six months?

Considering it’s gonna take 18 months just to get the 6 gang books out, I would guess no to every 6 months.

They have shown that they will release a book every quarter in what seems to be the sequence of the gang war books.

Yeah, that’s where I got 18 months from.

I just wish the slave gang were a little bit bigger. Kinda bummed they aren't as swol as the actual Goliaths.

It was pointed out that they aren't part of the gang itself but hangers on, so I guess that makes sense.

Has anyone got a Berzerker yet? How does it scale with stuff like the Stimmers and the rest of the gang?

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
Has anyone got a Berzerker yet? How does it scale with stuff like the Stimmers and the rest of the gang?

From Garro on FB -

Well that's good to see. Those slavers were mildly disappointing after getting my Stimmers built.

Guess I'll have to grab one next time I'm tempted to make an order.

Does anyone know when the Juves are coming out?

 Grot 6 wrote:
Does anyone know when the Juves are coming out?

Forge-born are already out, and I don't think Bullys are getting specific models.

The book suggests using standard Goliaths as Juves, that indicates no dedicated minis in the nearest future. Why not give the prospect juve weapons? Everyone thought they were juves when the first images were released. There's no big difference in the visuals.

The Zone Mortalis tiles are at long last back in stock: https://www.games-workshop.com/en-NL/Necromunda-Zone-Mortalis-Floor-Tile-Set-2019

ratling slopper

Loving that model!

Also tempted by the £210 collection. https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Necromunda-Hired-Guns-All-Gangs-Collection-2020

Where the hell did that mini come fr... oh wait it's Friday. Duh!

That's... impressive.

He's quite the character!

I'd like the model a lot better if it either had two shoes or two bare feet. Nobody goes around wearing only one shoe.

EDIT: Looks like he's actually added his boot into the soup. Okay, that gets a pass.

Is that all the Hangers On with official models now?

Am away in Scotland (staying in a Stately Home, because reasons) so cant check my books.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Is that all the Hangers On with official models now?

Bigby has his own rules, and we're still missing the Rogue Doc and Look-out (from Gangs of The Underhive), ‘Narker, Proxy & Propagandist (The Book of Judgement) and Cadaver Merchant, Heretek & Agitator (The Book of Ruin).

That Hired Guns bundle costs $429 USD separately ($335 together), so that’s a significant savings. They also got rid of their old, smaller Hired Guns bundles.

beast_gts wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Is that all the Hangers On with official models now?

Bigby has his own rules, and we're still missing the Rogue Doc and Look-out (from Gangs of The Underhive), ‘Narker, Proxy & Propagandist (The Book of Judgement) and Cadaver Merchant, Heretek & Agitator (The Book of Ruin).

I think the docs will be in plastic and take the opportunity to get an entire gang.

I say it for the artworks they shown