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We'll find out soon enough eh.

JWBS wrote:
I'm conflicted about the Redemptionists. Some of the heads in particular look absolute sht.


Agreed. Goku Bignose is terrible, and I'm not even a little sold on Churchy McChurchface as the leader. The lack of capriotes and executioner hoods is also sad, but unsurprising considering GW's earlier capitulation.

The basic bodies, weapons, Budget Brand Klovis and the very 80's/Rogue Trader era style spiked-up do's are quite nice though. Whether they're a buy or a pass will depend a lot on what other options - if any - are in the box, and on the rules & fluff in the book.

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The box content is nothing new except random changes in the rulebook (and possibly some intentional). The cards may or may not be new also. Otherwise, it's just repackaged existing content. The book will be interesting. It will not cover anything comprehensively, but on the other hand GW is not going to be able to do that. There are too many weapons, stats, costs, rarities and (il)legalities for them to summarize at this point. And we don't need it as fan made compilations already got that covered. A simplified core rulebook like N19 rulebook would suffice. A campaign is also not needed for new players, and we got 4 campaigns already, not something we need more of.

The only problem is adding more books to the library will not help the countless new players asking what books to get.

Danny76 wrote:
It’s not a new edition.
Just a new box to try and sell better.
Same rulebook is in it.

That would be a first. No rulebook or any book so far has been the 'same'. I'll grant you N19 rulebook had very few minor silly mistakes and few changes.


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JWBS wrote:
I'm conflicted about the Redemptionists. Some of the heads in particular look absolute sht.

Headswap?


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 Genoside07 wrote:
Didn't GW releases a card set a few months back called Hive Wars? Do you think they might put a new version of them in the box set?

No, we won't see those again, at least not in this box.

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 Galas wrote:
Theres enough KKK like heads out there for people that wants them.
KKK heads? Nah man, hoods. Redemptionists in hoods:



They don't need to be pointy (those were reserved for the more veteran ones anyway).

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Best of all, I crawl closer to my Delaque book.
It'll be great if we finally get plastic Delaques alongside their book. Been a long wait for Delaque players.

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Baxx wrote:
The box content is nothing new except random changes in the rulebook (and possibly some intentional). The cards may or may not be new also. Otherwise, it's just repackaged existing content. The book will be interesting. It will not cover anything comprehensively, but on the other hand GW is not going to be able to do that. There are too many weapons, stats, costs, rarities and (il)legalities for them to summarize at this point. And we don't need it as fan made compilations already got that covered. A simplified core rulebook like N19 rulebook would suffice. A campaign is also not needed for new players, and we got 4 campaigns already, not something we need more of.

The only problem is adding more books to the library will not help the countless new players asking what books to get.



Going to strongly disagree that a campaign is not needed for new players. The campaigns are really what set Necromunda from other skirmish games on the market. Not to say the core rules for N17 are bad (they are actually some of the better ones GW has written recently in my opinion), but without the campaigns Necromunda is a so-so skirmish game. If you want people to actually keep playing beyond the starter set adding 4 or 5 pages of campaign is a given.

 
   
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Yeah, you are right. What I meant was, a campaign is not needed in this book. At least not a new 3x7 campaign (we got more than enough of those already). It could perhaps have a reprint of Dominion campaign. What we really need is a proper campaign, but there's no chance GW will make it at this point.

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Receptionists are better than the originals, but the poses are uninspired and placid for a bunch a crazy-men.


 
   
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Baxx wrote:
Yeah, you are right. What I meant was, a campaign is not needed in this book. At least not a new 3x7 campaign (we got more than enough of those already). It could perhaps have a reprint of Dominion campaign. What we really need is a proper campaign, but there's no chance GW will make it at this point.
Define "proper campaign".

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 Moopy wrote:
Receptionists are better than the originals, but the poses are uninspired and placid for a bunch a crazy-men.


Yeah, they need to sit behind desks and answer phones the way they are dressed..

Tempted to get a Pious Vorne from BSF to add to the mix of fire-toting, heretic burning nutjobs..

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Any guesses where the rest of the sprue space went, since this looks like noticeably less than what other gang expansions were?

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That robe collar of the book dude will eat up huge chunk of space.

Also flame thrower fuel pipe.

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I still have a box of old plastic Flagellants running around in the back, I wonder if the kits would be compatible ...

Or Combatable... ?

New box, heck, if that is how I'm supposed to get more walls, I guess I've got yet another Esher gang to pawn off on someone.

Someone made a dune reference... maybe I put a few Esher heads on some of those suits...



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 Grot 6 wrote:
I still have a box of old plastic Flagellants running around in the back, I wonder if the kits would be compatible ...
With the new Reds? Unlikely. Other than weapons the sizes are likely to be way off.

That said, Flagellants make great Reds if you kid-bash 'em with other weapons.

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 Galas wrote:
Are this heads horrible? Yes they are.

Are at least original and offer some kind of the old 80 punk aesthetic back in modern plastic for people that likes those? Yes they do.

Is that a good thing? Personally , the 80s-90s should stay back in the past.

Theres enough KKK like heads out there for people that wants them.


So now every head with a hood is a kkk head? Seriously?

I haven't ever been to a klan picnic, maybe you know something I don't? We've already had this discussion ad homonym exhusitum, how about you use a little restraint, next time you want to be clever.

How many Klan rallys do they have in Spain, anyway?



At Games Workshop, we believe that how you behave does matter. We believe this so strongly that we have written it down in the Games Workshop Book. There is a section in the book where we talk about the values we expect all staff to demonstrate in their working lives. These values are Lawyers, Guns and Money. 
   
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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
 Grot 6 wrote:
I still have a box of old plastic Flagellants running around in the back, I wonder if the kits would be compatible ...
With the new Reds? Unlikely. Other than weapons the sizes are likely to be way off.


It's true, the Flagellants look stupidly oversized next to plastic Cawdor

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I've not seen them next to the current Cawdor. I would have expected the Cawdor minis to be bigger due to GW scalecreep, not the other way around.

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 frankelee wrote:
"Overpriced pomades that don't give you all day hold?"

"THAT'S HAIRESY!"



It is interesting how GW is allowing themselves a place for artistic experimentation with Necromunda. Given that they very much need spaces like that.


Yep, hair is complete trash. This is Necromunda and not Dragonball.

And only SIX Redemptionsts in a box?! Nah, I would rather paint my models from the 90s again than to receive such a raw deal.
   
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Vigo. Spain.

 Grot 6 wrote:
 Galas wrote:
Are this heads horrible? Yes they are.

Are at least original and offer some kind of the old 80 punk aesthetic back in modern plastic for people that likes those? Yes they do.

Is that a good thing? Personally , the 80s-90s should stay back in the past.

Theres enough KKK like heads out there for people that wants them.


So now every head with a hood is a kkk head? Seriously?

I haven't ever been to a klan picnic, maybe you know something I don't? We've already had this discussion ad homonym exhusitum, how about you use a little restraint, next time you want to be clever.

How many Klan rallys do they have in Spain, anyway?


Are you telling me all the pointy hood heads that are used in all form of fantasy and media to represent crazy fringe cults based around hate and murder are not inspired in the most famous real life world fringe cult of murderers based around hate but they are , in fact, inspired by the Nazareno's pointy hood, the first ones made by the Hermandad de San Juan de Letrán y Nuestra Señora de la Hiniesta de Sevilla in the XVII century, the traditional ornament of spanish catholic flagellants?

Man. I didn't knew 80's GW loved soo much Spanish traditions.

I'll add that I love me some cultists with pointy heads but to try to arguee that they are based in some other thing is just...

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 Crimson Devil wrote:

Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.

ERJAK wrote:
Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.

 
   
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I don't want to get too deep into this conversation, since I feel like mods will quickly silence it (for obvious reasons.) But as an American, I was completely unaware of the Spain tradition of pointy hoods, UNTIL FW recalled the Cawdor executioner and people on here were talking about it. I hate the new heads, but I completely get the need to get rid of the pointy hoods. It also doesn't help that these guys have nooses on their belts and also an affinity for burning. :/
   
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Awesome kit, love the sillyness, they look very much like an 80s comic, like straight out of Judge Dredd (which I suspect is highly intentional).

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Vigo. Spain.

The actual reason for the KKK use of the "capirote" is because they were themselves anti-catolicism, to make a mockery of catolic tradition.

But that doesnt erase that the global association with that type of head attire is not with the spanish nazarenos.

 Crimson Devil wrote:

Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.

ERJAK wrote:
Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.

 
   
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 Galas wrote:
 Grot 6 wrote:
 Galas wrote:
Are this heads horrible? Yes they are.

Are at least original and offer some kind of the old 80 punk aesthetic back in modern plastic for people that likes those? Yes they do.

Is that a good thing? Personally , the 80s-90s should stay back in the past.

Theres enough KKK like heads out there for people that wants them.


So now every head with a hood is a kkk head? Seriously?

I haven't ever been to a klan picnic, maybe you know something I don't? We've already had this discussion ad homonym exhusitum, how about you use a little restraint, next time you want to be clever.

How many Klan rallys do they have in Spain, anyway?


Are you telling me all the pointy hood heads that are used in all form of fantasy and media to represent crazy fringe cults based around hate and murder are not inspired in the most famous real life world fringe cult of murderers based around hate but they are , in fact, inspired by the Nazareno's pointy hood, the first ones made by the Hermandad de San Juan de Letrán y Nuestra Señora de la Hiniesta de Sevilla in the XVII century, the traditional ornament of spanish catholic flagellants?

Man. I didn't knew 80's GW loved soo much Spanish traditions.

I'll add that I love me some cultists with pointy heads but to try to arguee that they are based in some other thing is just...


Do you not even remember the most recent discussion on the topic, in this thread, where Pat Mills is quoted that the inspiration behind the look of Redeemer and the precursor Torquemada was both the capirote of the Inquisition and the KKK? Do you not even wonder if the antagonist Torquemada may be a subtle, almost cryptic reference to Tomas De Torquemada of the Inquisition?
   
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Vigo. Spain.

I'm not claiming the sole inspiration of the Redemptionists is the KKK, of course.

The capirote was prescribed by , but not wear by, the Spanish Inquisition. But to claim that the pointy head hood and his association to the KKK is some form of ignorance because OF COURSE frostgrave cultists have the pointy hoods in inspiration from medieval catolic traditions for sin attonement is, at least in my opinion, a big fallacy.

And I'll say again: I love me some pointy hooded cultists. I take no offense in any way or form. But I'll dispute most sculptors that claim they take their inspiration from the nazarenos. Specially when they add a big fiery motiv and hangman's nooses all over the miniatures, two big red flags about the inspiration NOT being the spanish inquisition or flagellants.

 Crimson Devil wrote:

Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.

ERJAK wrote:
Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.

 
   
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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I've not seen them next to the current Cawdor. I would have expected the Cawdor minis to be bigger due to GW scalecreep, not the other way around.


No joke, Cawdor are tiny they're like truescale historicals among... beef

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JWBS wrote:
Do you not even remember the most recent discussion on the topic, in this thread, where Pat Mills is quoted that the inspiration behind the look of Redeemer and the precursor Torquemada was both the capirote of the Inquisition and the KKK? Do you not even wonder if the antagonist Torquemada may be a subtle, almost cryptic reference to Tomas De Torquemada of the Inquisition?

The... capirote, of the Inquisition. Right. The one the Inquisition never used. Of course, how could I forget about those (the Inquisition never used those. The only thing vaguely similar thing they did use was that they put corozas over some prisoners' heads. But those were dunce caps, not pointy hoods).

And if using a name, letter by letter, count as "subtle, almos cryptic"... well.

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Baxx wrote:
Yeah, you are right. What I meant was, a campaign is not needed in this book. At least not a new 3x7 campaign (we got more than enough of those already). It could perhaps have a reprint of Dominion campaign. What we really need is a proper campaign, but there's no chance GW will make it at this point.


Ah, gotcha. Yeah, a reprint of the Dominion campaign would be fine. I just think if you don’t give new players a taste of campaign play they will move on to other games, as the campaigns are really what make Necromunda/Mordheim compelling to most people I have met or spoke to.

 
   
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Really patronising response that includes complete failure to detect very obvious sarcasm, quite a special mix of elements in that post there Albertorious.
   
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Nice discussion. Things going well then?

   
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Vigo. Spain.

Personally I don't find a problem with this discussion with the exception that at this point this horse has been raised to serve as the loyal steel of some vampire lord by how dead it was.

I was just pointing out that I'll always be extremely skeptical about anybody claiming nazarenos as inspiration. You know? Not because I'm spanish, but because I see it as extremely coward. You made your cultists with KKK hoods? Nice! They are despicable, and cultists are rarely portrayed in a positive light. But lets spanish catholic traditions that were mocked by those same radicals at peace.

 Crimson Devil wrote:

Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.

ERJAK wrote:
Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.

 
   
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 Galas wrote:
 Grot 6 wrote:
 Galas wrote:
Are this heads horrible? Yes they are.

Are at least original and offer some kind of the old 80 punk aesthetic back in modern plastic for people that likes those? Yes they do.

Is that a good thing? Personally , the 80s-90s should stay back in the past.

Theres enough KKK like heads out there for people that wants them.


So now every head with a hood is a kkk head? Seriously?

I haven't ever been to a klan picnic, maybe you know something I don't? We've already had this discussion ad homonym exhusitum, how about you use a little restraint, next time you want to be clever.

How many Klan rallys do they have in Spain, anyway?


Since GW arists were heavily influenced by 2000 AD the probabable route is from catholics to Torquemada's henchmen in Nemesis the Warlock in 2000 AD and then to Necromunda

Are you telling me all the pointy hood heads that are used in all form of fantasy and media to represent crazy fringe cults based around hate and murder are not inspired in the most famous real life world fringe cult of murderers based around hate but they are , in fact, inspired by the Nazareno's pointy hood, the first ones made by the Hermandad de San Juan de Letrán y Nuestra Señora de la Hiniesta de Sevilla in the XVII century, the traditional ornament of spanish catholic flagellants?

Man. I didn't knew 80's GW loved soo much Spanish traditions.

I'll add that I love me some cultists with pointy heads but to try to arguee that they are based in some other thing is just...

 
   
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I feel the need to point out here that the original Cult of the Red Redemption back in the 1980s didn't have either capirotes or KKK style hoods, but dressed like typical mediaeval European monks. They did have the distinctive masks, though, although they were meant to be iron rather than leather (originally, those joining the cult had to flay off their own faces, and the masks were placed on them while still hot from the forge).

And they were a Khorne cult. And were in the WHFB world, not 40K, the descendants of extremist xenophobes from the crusades against Araby.

Even when they got ported to 40K in the 1990s (and retconned as Emperor-worshippers), pointy hoods were rare, only worn by deacons IIRC. They've never been a major part of the Redemptionist aesthetic, and I am, frankly, very suspicious of people who insist that GW making Redemptionist models not look like Klansmen is some sort of pandering to 'SJWs' or 'cancel culture' or 'wokeness' or whatever.

I mean, convert yours to have pointy hoods if you like. I won't assume you're actually a white supremacist or anything. But don't pretend you're returning the models to their 'original' aesthetic. You just want them to look like Klansmen, so own up to that.

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