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I'd say they would cost a little more than the Primaris packs, theres far more parts here, but no transfer sheet so it would seem about right.

Finally some good news for Necromunda! I've been waiting for plastic weapon upgrades since the beginning.

I don't like the direction they've gone with recent releases, I've ignored most of it. Redemptionists were a big let down as well.

Those are some awfully nice plastic expansion packs. I'm not overly fond of Escher or Goliath, but hopefully they release these for the full line up of gangs. I would love to see the Van Saar and Cawdor ones.

I'm wondering what the starter set is going to be priced at. I'm also curious if any campaign will be included in the book. Looking forward to seeing some unboxings next week.

Kinda strange to me that they're showing painted pics of individual parts, that's uncommon for them, why not just do the usual thing of bare sprues and then painted components in situ, as it were? Still great to see this type of thing for Necro though.

JWBS wrote:
Kinda strange to me that they're showing painted pics of individual parts, that's uncommon for them, why not just do the usual thing of bare sprues and then painted components in situ, as it were? Still great to see this type of thing for Necro though.

That's the way they display all of the standard GW plastic upgrade sprues.

It's nice and all to have these plastic upgrades sprues, but it just shows one big truth for anything new released nowadays ; waiting a few years is better than buying the day it comes out.

I hate how GW double packs these sprues these days. There are only four unique heads, not eight, etc.

They started doing it with the primaris upgrades too. But I guess its useful to fully load out a unit...

I don't mind, there's a lot of weapons and value and often as not split out the hair and faces around and you'll easily use up the doubles.

OTOH I have 25 NuEschers, there's enough parts here to equip another 20, and we still have a total of 5 monopose bodies.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
OTOH I have 25 NuEschers, there's enough parts here to equip another 20, and we still have a total of 5 monopose bodies.

Can the bodies 'second wave' boxes (such as the Escher Death-maidens and Wyld Runners) easily use the original arms, or are they limited to those kits?

 GaroRobe wrote:
I hate how GW double packs these sprues these days. There are only four unique heads, not eight, etc.

They started doing it with the primaris upgrades too. But I guess its useful to fully load out a unit...

Four heads and four hair pieces means a lot more than four combos. Never mind whatever is in the base set.

It's weird that they showed the Goliath sprue when Delaque are in the new starter box. It'd be a travesty if the box only comes with an upgrade sprue for one of the two gangs.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
OTOH I have 25 NuEschers, there's enough parts here to equip another 20, and we still have a total of 5 monopose bodies.

So back in the day you were buying kits where each leg was individually attached to any optional torso?

No, you weren't.

When you dissemble about olden days "poseability" you're mostly just talking about arm options, and, here you go, have some arm options. Other than that the only missing piece is rotating torsos -- which inevitably resulted in bone-jarred poses, but to each their own, I guess -- and rotating the torso on a monopose figure is typically the easiest conversion to do after head-swaps (ie. incredibly easy).

 Altruizine wrote:
It's weird that they showed the Goliath sprue when Delaque are in the new starter box. It'd be a travesty if the box only comes with an upgrade sprue for one of the two gangs.

There's been no mention of Hive War containing the Upgrades Sets, and they make sense from the point of view that Escher & Goliath were the first two gangs released - but yeah, it's weird that it's out of sync.

 Altruizine wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
OTOH I have 25 NuEschers, there's enough parts here to equip another 20, and we still have a total of 5 monopose bodies.

So back in the day you were buying kits where each leg was individually attached to any optional torso?

No, you weren't.

When you dissemble about olden days "poseability" you're mostly just talking about arm options, and, here you go, have some arm options. Other than that the only missing piece is rotating torsos -- which inevitably resulted in bone-jarred poses, but to each their own, I guess -- and rotating the torso on a monopose figure is typically the easiest conversion to do after head-swaps (ie. incredibly easy).

Shh. Don't tell them the truth about old Necromunda miniatures "diversity". It coult ruin their nostalgia.

Of course, they'll give the usual excuse "But GW didn't have all the tools they have right now !" as if it means anything as counter-argument. Sadly, it doesn't. Just because you have better tools doesn't mean making old combinations of torso, legs and arms separate is actually as varied in the end. Mainly because the human body is made in such a way that when the legs are put in a certain direction, torso, arms and neck can't really be put in a realistic way in many variations. So if you want to make all combinations really viable and realistic...you have to make generic poses, and they thus tend to look pretty much the same. Like they did in the old days.

Sarouan wrote:
It's nice and all to have these plastic upgrades sprues, but it just shows one big truth for anything new released nowadays ; waiting a few years is better than buying the day it comes out.

Makes me hesitant to pick up other FW weapon packs. I have the Escher, Goliath and I think the Orlock ones. No desire to buy the Van Saar or Cawdor ones now.

beast_gts wrote:

 Altruizine wrote:
It's weird that they showed the Goliath sprue when Delaque are in the new starter box. It'd be a travesty if the box only comes with an upgrade sprue for one of the two gangs.

There's been no mention of Hive War containing the Upgrades Sets, and they make sense from the point of view that Escher & Goliath were the first two gangs released - but yeah, it's weird that it's out of sync.

Might be that they were intended to come out with the books?

There's been all kinds of rumors of rescheduling, etc happening for smaller items. These could have been victims of that.

It might also just be that GW worked on these first because they were the first sets. They might also have higher sales than the other gangs so GW feels safer experimenting with this approach and if it works will roll it out for the others. Or at least is already going to roll it out so roll it out for the most popular to build hype.

beast_gts wrote:

 Altruizine wrote:
It's weird that they showed the Goliath sprue when Delaque are in the new starter box. It'd be a travesty if the box only comes with an upgrade sprue for one of the two gangs.

There's been no mention of Hive War containing the Upgrades Sets, and they make sense from the point of view that Escher & Goliath were the first two gangs released - but yeah, it's weird that it's out of sync.

Oh gak, you're right. I looked back at the first post in here about the upgrade sprues (thinking it had said they would be included with Hive War) but it actually said they'd be coming alongside Hive War.

Escher+Goliath makes much more sense now (although I hope the remaining 4 follow quickly).

I wonder if they'll do Enforcers and/or Corpse Grinders extras. They seem like pretty popular "primary" gangs for a lot of players after their inclusion in a starter set. I daresay you see them more than Orlock or Cawdor.

 Altruizine wrote:
I wonder if they'll do Enforcers and/or Corpse Grinders extras. They seem like pretty popular "primary" gangs for a lot of players after their inclusion in a starter set. I daresay you see them more than Orlock or Cawdor.

How many more options for Corpse Grinders/Enforcers are there that aren't already covered by the minis that exist?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
How many more options for Corpse Grinders/Enforcers are there that aren't already covered by the minis that exist?

Really depends on what their lists in "House of..." Necromunda era will allow as weapons. But since they were already specialized "gangs" before the "House of..." Necromunda era, they're certainly easier to "fix" with another box of new miniatures.


As to when GW will release the plastic sprues for the other gangs...wait and see, as usual. But I'd rather wait here than buy the FW packs. I mean, I did take them, so there's no point not using them if I already have them, but otherwise if you didn't and there's no real rush...you'll be the winner in the end if you're patient.

Not a single right hand plasma pistol on Escher, meanwhile another needle pistol, they already made 2 of them in the death maiden box. Like did they think people need another 3 pack of grenade pouches and knife with a skull? waste of sprue space.

Also no cool new mask for the escher heads, just a bunnch of bare, grumpy faces.

Goliath is also meh, and mostly just for cosmetic, no left hand grenade launcher. no chainsword, no power weapon (oh you can pretent the regular weapon they made with no power generator to be one), no heavy weapon, no combi-weapon. Even one of the head with mask are recycled from the main gang box.

I kinda wish the new Escher bits included a bolter, grenade launcher, and 1 or 2 masked faces. But whatever, for the most part its worthwhile. I do like how they include a couple empty hands though.

Sucks that Delaque will once again have to wait and be last in line to get their plastic weapons sprue. I sure hope their second kit is good though. I was let down by the goofy van saar surfers and the redemptionists with only 3 body sculpts and derpy heads....just yikes.

I guess we'll have to wait for weapon set 2, 3 or 4. Ugh.. They waste lots of cash to make these, but still want people to buy their resin packs.

Depends. Given FW's output when it comes to, well, anything, I think that plastic is the way forward. It certainly can't be any slower.

Chopstick wrote:
Not a single right hand plasma pistol on Escher, meanwhile another needle pistol, they already made 2 of them in the death maiden box. Like did they think people need another 3 pack of grenade pouches and knife with a skull? waste of sprue space.

That's because plasma pistols are already in the core box. Not the case of needle pistols.

The upgrade pack is clearly made to be an upgrade to the core, not the extension box.

And yes, there isn't everything. But it's not a "waste of sprue space".

Hopefully enforcers and corpse grinders get similar packs. Corpse grinders could do with new heads and are missing a fair few weapons from their list

Sarouan wrote:

Chopstick wrote:
Not a single right hand plasma pistol on Escher, meanwhile another needle pistol, they already made 2 of them in the death maiden box. Like did they think people need another 3 pack of grenade pouches and knife with a skull? waste of sprue space.

That's because plasma pistols are already in the core box. Not the case of needle pistols.

The upgrade pack is clearly made to be an upgrade to the core, not the extension box.

And yes, there isn't everything. But it's not a "waste of sprue space".

Have you build any Escher? it's the RIGHT hand plasma pistol, the main box give you the LEFT one.

And going by your logic they shouldn't include the right arm autopistol because it's already in the box.

Did someone on this planet unironically used all of the knives and pouches from the Escher box and thought : "Wow i need more of the same things!!!!". They're oversize garbage that only get in the way of your pose, and collide with the arms. I've built lots of Escher will have TON of those lying around. Those space couldn've been use for masks, or a plasma pistol arm, so people can actually build a dual wielding plasma pistol, and don't have to buys "FW resin pack"

TLR : Don't recycle garbage bits already made in the main box, and you get lots of those in the main box.

Chopstick wrote:

Have you build any Escher? it's the RIGHT hand plasma pistol, the main box give you the LEFT one.

And going by your logic they shouldn't include the right arm autopistol because it's already in the box.

Did someone on this planet unironically used all of the knives and pouches from the Escher box and thought : "Wow i need more of the same things!!!!". They're oversize garbage that only get in the way of your pose, and collide with the arms. I've built lots of Escher will have TON of those lying around. Those space couldn've been use for masks, or a plasma pistol arm, so people can actually build a dual wielding plasma pistol, and don't have to buys "FW resin pack"

TLR : Don't recycle garbage bits already made in the main box, and you get lots of those in the main box.

And if you're looking at the picture of the upgrade sprue, the flamethrower pistol is the right arm only. So no choice here either.

It's clearly the weapon that counts here, not the arm.

And it's not the knives / grenades / pouches that takes so much sprue space that there is no room for an extra weapon.

Built 2 boxes of core Eschers, so yeah, I know what they have. I also know how to use a modeling knife to cut a plasma pistol from an arm to put in on another, mind you.

 Altruizine wrote:
It's weird that they showed the Goliath sprue when Delaque are in the new starter box. It'd be a travesty if the box only comes with an upgrade sprue for one of the two gangs.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
OTOH I have 25 NuEschers, there's enough parts here to equip another 20, and we still have a total of 5 monopose bodies.

So back in the day you were buying kits where each leg was individually attached to any optional torso?

No, you weren't.

When you dissemble about olden days "poseability" you're mostly just talking about arm options, and, here you go, have some arm options. Other than that the only missing piece is rotating torsos -- which inevitably resulted in bone-jarred poses, but to each their own, I guess -- and rotating the torso on a monopose figure is typically the easiest conversion to do after head-swaps (ie. incredibly easy).

Nice strawman dude, real quality corporate simping, but GW could have put 5 new bodies on the sprue.

 lord_blackfang wrote:


Nice strawman dude, real quality corporate simping, but GW could have put 5 new bodies on the sprue.

Sure, and they could have sold it to you at a higher price as well. Either way, you would have complained.