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 NAVARRO wrote:

 Ian Sturrock wrote:
The bug riders are exactly the kind of 40K OTT, somewhat impractical, aesthetic that the knee-dangling-rebreathers aren't, to my mind. I love them.

Yeah they pull it off in the end, busy yet 40k fun models. Banners need to go though.

Hard disagree. The banners make sense both from a practical perspective (added height + color could help nomads recognize each other over long distances) and from a "coolness" one. If anything they need to be larger.

Yes. bigger banner on the small sprue.

Also big metal pile on your back add unneeded weight and slow you down, also make you lose balance easily if a strong gust of wind blown by, bump into door and low ceiling area, sticking out of cover like a sore thumb, difficult to lie down and maintain that position.

Underhivers fight in pitch darkness and they usually have no problem recognizing each other, or rather, no problem shooting at each other.

I think the banner is more like the door on a trapdoor spider nest. What better way to hide out in the Wastes, you carry your concealment around with you.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I'm guessing same way 40k does.

So... not at all? 40k vehicles don't have "crew".

Racerguy180 wrote:
I think the banner is more like the door on a trapdoor spider nest. What better way to hide out in the Wastes, you carry your concealment around with you.

I figure portable shade and protection from ash winds.

It can pull double duty

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I'm guessing same way 40k does.

So... not at all? 40k vehicles don't have "crew".

Yea, that's my guess, vehicles as non divisible playing pieces. "Crew" being just a particular path on the damage tables for invuluntary swerves and stuff but in the end the whole model is just either alive or dead. I can't imagine modern GW saying "Okay the physically non-removable Orlock driver and gunner have been killed, the vehicle is just idling here on the table, your Goliath can jump in and drive off, but you have to imagine it while the actual model still has an Orlock crew on it.

but than it would be good way to sell models the faction actually cannot use
replace the vehicle with the one that has the right crew if you want to take it over, 50€ per piece because of high quality resin parts

Darm, seems my GW-cynism isn't creative enough to have considered them selling resin crew for stolen enemy vehicles at 25€ a pop. Might be, might be.

Hum, i wonder if the Arachni-Rig will be updated to work as a vehicle.

Resin vehicle crew seem completely within the realm of possibility.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Resin vehicle crew seem completely within the realm of possibility.

Especially since upgrade packs got moved to GW

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

RazorEdge wrote:
Also there isn't enough Terrain which let the set look awfull.

Not enough terrain in a game mostly based around mounted combat in giant ash waste deserts?

(Not pictured, the 10 pound bag of GW Sand for making your own Fine Dunes (TM))

Oh mah gawd! Shat up un take mah moneeez!

But fur reelz though, the terrain is a bit sparse. I think twice that amount will be good on a 3'x3' board, once a bit of scatter ash waste debris has been tossed onto the playground sand.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
So, yeah. We have our roadmap:

House of ATVs
House of Flea Riders
House of Bikes
House of Jeeps
House of Air Conditioned Luxury SUVs
House of Jalopies
House of Muscle Cars
House of Cyber Trucks
House of Squad Cars

I think this is good. A legit way to bring some vehicles into the skirmish game is welcome, as this will lead to the resurgence of stuff like gorkamorka under the guise of "counts as", for example.
Genestealer Cults have an automatic lead here, and is frankly pushing me over the edge towards buying the start collecting box just for 'Munda.

So this means each of the original 8 gangs will have 4 boxes. 1 ganger box, 1 expansion box, 1 ganger weapons box, and perhaps 1 vehicle type of box. I can justify those purchases for a gang. Maybe even 2 gangs.

Can’t wait for different rules for 20” rims in each “Garage of Book”.

“I have sporty mudflaps, which give me a +1 save vs xxxxx”

“Nope, that changed in the garage of xxxxxxx, now it’s -1 cover save”

“Your wrong it changed again in garage of xxxxxxxx to +1 movement”

“Well that’s better than garage of xxxxxxxx where it gives you a Errol to save vs. fear “

I just want Escher bikers

Anything else out of this is a bonus

Hmm, maybe Delaque ash submarines?

 Overread wrote:
I just want Escher bikers

Anything else out of this is a bonus

Drugged out Escher riding cats first, then Orlock bikers then circle back to do Escher bikers in Ash Wastes 2: Desert Boogaloo.

The mix and match of who gets what vehicle is going to be needlessly byzantine and probably stressful for a lot of folks. Because honestly I'm having a hard time accepting that they passed up Orlock bikers even once. It's their whole look!

Now if the gangs were more on the same scale and you could mix and match torsos and arms, this wouldn't be quite so bad. But as is we're going to get a lot of overspecialized kits with few options.

I wondere how they're gonna handle Vehicles vs rideable mounts rules-wise.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
I wondere how they're gonna handle Vehicles vs rideable mounts rules-wise.

I mostly expect that they won't. Just profile changes.

Maybe slightly different rules for turning and skidding.

Since the bugs look like fleas, I wonder if they are going to have any kind of power to drain health/speed/whatever from enemies.

 Overread wrote:
I just want Escher bikers

Anything else out of this is a bonus

Heck yeah!

Once the bikes come, putting 4 Escher bikes with an Orlock Quad is a really nice alternative to GSC's Atalan Jackal unit. especially if you use 'Munda models as brood brothers.

Voss wrote:

 Overread wrote:
I just want Escher bikers

Anything else out of this is a bonus

Drugged out Escher riding cats first, then Orlock bikers then circle back to do Escher bikers in Ash Wastes 2: Desert Boogaloo.

Ok Escher riding beasts might just win out and its very thematic for them considering they import them! YES ok Escher riding cats - Orlock can have the bikes

So Van Saar will be getting Jetbike now? it's gang of commorragh all over again.

Chopstick wrote:
So Van Saar will be getting Jetbike now? it's gang of commorragh all over again.

Nah, a hovertank. I mean they've already got a mech, y'know?

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Hmm, maybe Delaque ash submarines?

Dont tease me with such dainties. You know how delicate I am when it comes to Delaque.

Honestly, I think a kit bask of the Dark Eldar Talos/Cronos fig would likely work well, with the support of a few bits from Necron ophidian destroyers/ Canoptek wraiths.

Maybe some of the gangs from Necromunda Proper just don't show up in Ash Wastes because it wouldn't make much sense for them to venture out. Cawdor and Delaque are the two that strike me as groups that have no business in the wastes, the former because how are they going to cobble together vehicles and the latter because what would they want in a desert?

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
I wondere how they're gonna handle Vehicles vs rideable mounts rules-wise.

Poorly?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Cawdor and Delaque are the two that strike me as groups that have no business in the wastes, the former because how are they going to cobble together vehicles

PULPITEK

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Maybe some of the gangs from Necromunda Proper just don't show up in Ash Wastes because it wouldn't make much sense for them to venture out. Cawdor and Delaque are the two that strike me as groups that have no business in the wastes, the former because how are they going to cobble together vehicles and the latter because what would they want in a desert?

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
I wondere how they're gonna handle Vehicles vs rideable mounts rules-wise.

Poorly?

The problem with being lore selective when making something like this is that it leaves some armies "out" and that means leaving some players, fans and customers out. If this is the new direction for a lot of the games content coming forward then leaving out some groups would leave those customers with nothing to buy and less reason to stick around. It's not that every army has to have every thing, but if you make a subgame and invite only a few armies that is leaving players totally out of the loop.

So I don't see GW doing that; yes some factions will take longer and some might get more models than others. Indeed that might be how they do it; factions that feature heavily in the wastes might have a more varied roster; whlist those who feature less might have fewer units that they use more often or that come with more optional parts.



As for vehicles vs mounts I suspect they'll handle it the same way they handle such things in 40K and AoS.

Cawdor build heavy stubber, flamer, chain weapon, it would be extremely easy to make a bicycle.

Cawdor aren't poor, Cawdor redemptionist represent the rich side of them, they use manufactured weapons, have access to cheap flamer and even develop their own version of the flamer.

Pretty much every faction in Necromunda so far would have access and understanding to drive vehicles and if they didn't make them themselves, they'd certainly steal them. Heck even though this is the "wastes outside" There are plenty of regions you can fight with vehicles inside the Hive. Heck there's whole ports and shipping going on in some of the lower flooded regions.