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Jesus fething christ, 225 euros...OK, OK, you get 25% discount, but it's still 168 euros. And they advertised Titanicus GM edition as 'super expensive'. I'm afraid to think how much for Heresy starter, then...

GW has folks automatically deducting 25% from their stab damage and still whistling in pain. Hilarious.

 CragHack wrote:
Jesus fething christ, 225 euros...OK, OK, you get 25% discount, but it's still 168 euros. And they advertised Titanicus GM edition as 'super expensive'. I'm afraid to think how much for Heresy starter, then...

As a jumping in point for two players, I don’t think it’s too bad. Two complete gangs with vehicles/mounts, and what seems a decent kick start to terrain, plus all the other gubbins you might need. With a discount and split between two, the price seems a bit better to my mind.

I do say seems a decent kick start to terrain, as one sufficient terrain is highly subjective, and we don’t yet know enough about the vehicle/mount mechanics yet to get much of a feel for what’s what in that regard. Plus for those who might want more, ground level junk and sand dune equivalent stuff is easy enough to make.

Me? I’m probably just gonna for for the rulebook, as it’s all updated (I think I can head Baxx’s cranial cogitator spinning out though ) and once I’m moved down and settled into Folkestone, I want to run an Underhive Campaign. So having the most up to date rulebook seems a broadly sensible option.

For those puzzling over it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdCeea4Io90

You can see here the walkways are multipart, there's at least a 4-long end piece and 2-long extensions that can go in between.

I’m trying to figure out if it comes with the full gang tactics cards for both gangs. I think it does, but the announcement isn’t entirely clear.

 Jadenim wrote:
I’m trying to figure out if it comes with the full gang tactics cards for both gangs. I think it does, but the announcement isn’t entirely clear.

If it's anything like previous releases, then no, it won't.

 Shakalooloo wrote:

 Jadenim wrote:
I’m trying to figure out if it comes with the full gang tactics cards for both gangs. I think it does, but the announcement isn’t entirely clear.

If it's anything like previous releases, then no, it won't.

Don't most of the starter boxes come with some exclusive gang tactics (with some additional exclusive ones coming via the card pack)? My impression has always been that in order to get the "full" slate of tactics cards you're going to be committed to buying nearly every release that includes any.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

I do say seems a decent kick start to terrain, as one sufficient terrain is highly subjective, and we don’t yet know enough about the vehicle/mount mechanics yet to get much of a feel for what’s what in that regard. Plus for those who might want more, ground level junk and sand dune equivalent stuff is easy enough to make.

It's not so subjective as to surmount the core rules of the game, and unless those change for Ash Wastes (ie. additional shooting modifiers to due atmospheric disturbances, etc.) the amount of terrain in this box remains insignificant.

In fact, much of it would be largely un-interactable-with in many games, due to the lack of features like ladders that would allow ascent to the second level (as well as the mechanical inefficiency/opportunity cost of actually climbing a ladder in the ruleset) combined with the fact that there's little to reason to want to ascend to the second level, because the majority of it offers no cover and hanging around on those platforms and walkways will cause the triggering of fall tests on any fighters who decide to go up there for no reason.

If you had to play a game of Underhive with this terrain it would probably entail models clustering around the feet of the pods for cover modifiers, and everyone ignoring the second level unless they were able to deploy onto it or right beside the ramp.

I don't hate the terrain but it's an abysmal starting point for brand new players (again, pending sweeping rules changes that tone down shooting actions).

Eh, just picked up Kill Team Nachmund this month for the terrain and Corsairs as my Arbitrator’s Balancing Tool… Not crazy about the gangs and don’t need one more rule book right now, so pass and buy books later.

Someone on the FB community page confirmed the cards in the box are not the same as those sold separately.

Apparently in the box are Ash Wastes Tactics Cards, which are different to the gang tactics cards for Orlocks and Nomads.

Also no guarantee the rulebook and dice will be available separately.

Will the Ash Wastes gang be usable in regular Necromunda without the fleas?

Ancient Otter wrote:
Will the Ash Wastes gang be usable in regular Necromunda without the fleas?

The kit's available separate from them, the rulebook seemingly expands stuff to "outside" whatever that means in terms of rules differences, they seem mostly long range.

StraightSilver wrote:
Someone on the FB community page confirmed the cards in the box are not the same as those sold separately.

Apparently in the box are Ash Wastes Tactics Cards, which are different to the gang tactics cards for Orlocks and Nomads.

This box contains a total of 89 cards, representing Road Sections and Trade Routes to help keep track of the routes every player holds over the course of an Ash Wastes Campaign, as well as a whole host of Ash Wastes Gang Tactics for either side.

Per the blurb for the actual cards:

Deploy cunning Ash Waste Nomads tactics with this card pack.* It comes with 18-gang specific tactics to earn you the upper hand in your games, and also includes eight fighter cards so that you can track the stats, skills, and weapons of your nomads.

Dark Uprising was similar as to how it was set up it looks like:

One set of cards is for the campaign, one set of cards is generic tactics, and one set is faction specific stuff. That's what it looks like for Ash Wastes as well.

Also no guarantee the rulebook and dice will be available separately.

They're not right now, no.

Clan box is the same price of current ones so all good there.
Yeah I was kind of expecting the main box to be expensive, the terrain these days is so overpriced that its going to push the prices up. Its just 26 minis after all.
Its ok if a couple of friends split the value though.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
As a jumping in point for two players, I don’t think it’s too bad.

You could say that about all their big boxes, and none of them are priced like this.

At ~$50 for 2 the trike is a good buy for 40k players.

It can serve as the GSK dune buggy ($55 for one), a scout sentinel ($38 for one) and maybe one of the ork buggies with work ($55 each).

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
As a jumping in point for two players, I don’t think it’s too bad.

You could say that about all their big boxes, and none of them are priced like this.

Correct. In three years you don´t need two people to pitch in but five.

Everyone gets a sprue for their $60!

 Strg Alt wrote:
225 Euro?! Loooooooool! Everybody will be better off by playing with sticks and stones!

MOTU gets shipped tomorrow in Germany with a price tag of about 80-90 Euro. Looking forward to epic battles with He-Man and Skeletor instead.

Holy balls that is expensive.

 Albertorius wrote:

 Strg Alt wrote:
225 Euro?! Loooooooool! Everybody will be better off by playing with sticks and stones!

MOTU gets shipped tomorrow in Germany with a price tag of about 80-90 Euro. Looking forward to epic battles with He-Man and Skeletor instead.

Holy balls that is expensive.

I suspect we'll reach the intersection point where the GW boxed set price will be as expensive as an entry level 3d printer, a jug of resin and alcohol, and a dozen paid STLs via a month or two of patreon by 2024.

Look in your rear view mirror. We passed the intersection

I was going to buy it but with the insane prices. I think:

Ash Wastes Gang x1
Flea riders kit x1
Orlock buggies x1 kit (I already have orlocks)
Orlock and AWR cards

Then ebay for the rule book.

I have tokens, I have templates, I do not need terrain.

Even with the cards (sold separately to the box) I will be looking at about 30% off...

Should've made the Disney princess buggies as plastic and exclusive to that box to drive up some sales. Well at least i might reconsider.

I don't recall, what was the the price of Dark Uprising when it came out? I remember it being quite expensive as well and was under the impression that kind of hurt it in sales but if they are doing another box in that range it would seem it did not do that much to dissuade folks.

290USD for Dark Uprising.
150 for the Hive Wars box, which come with gangs rule not compatible with the other books, and walls and pillar terrains, which we all know is the best kind of terrain.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
That's another AUD$370 box.

No, wait, it's more than that. It'll be closer to AUD$490.

Yeah... feth that.

Looking forward to the JP price. I'm sure I can pay a plane ticket to Spain and back for the equivalent of 2 boxes, 1st class if 3.

M.

 warboss wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:

 Strg Alt wrote:
225 Euro?! Loooooooool! Everybody will be better off by playing with sticks and stones!

MOTU gets shipped tomorrow in Germany with a price tag of about 80-90 Euro. Looking forward to epic battles with He-Man and Skeletor instead.

Holy balls that is expensive.

I suspect we'll reach the intersection point where the GW boxed set price will be as expensive as an entry level 3d printer, a jug of resin and alcohol, and a dozen paid STLs via a month or two of patreon by 2024.

Just for the record:



So... yeah, about that...

Almost there!

 warboss wrote:
Almost there!

Well, you can get an actual entry level printer for half that, you know

I was almost sure I was going to get the Ash Wastes box as my dive-in to Necromunda, but for $300? I'm gonna have to think real hard about whether it's worth that. I was hoping to replace my dying 3D printer soonish, and as was pointed out above that might actually be cheaper than getting the box set (not for me, as the printer I want is the Elegoo Mars 3, which is more expensive). I also have a friend who's gonna sell me a bunch of Orlock stuff real cheap, so maybe what I should do instead is figure on getting a set of the quad bikes, at least one box of the Ash Wastes gang (since I really want those), and a set of the bug riders, and hope I can snag the rulebook somewhere. Speaking of that, is the rulebook a new edition of the regular Necromunda rules, or is it just the existing rules plus the outdoor battling rules?

 ZergSmasher wrote:
Speaking of that, is the rulebook a new edition of the regular Necromunda rules, or is it just the existing rules plus the outdoor battling rules?

Hopefully some lovely reviewer will reveal this on Saturday through a handy video review of the book (pretty please Brews and Sprues!)