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It's supposed to be an "updated" version of the rules + outdoor stuff.

However, I expect there will still be copy and paste errors transferred over as usual...

StraightSilver wrote:
It's supposed to be an "updated" version of the rules + outdoor stuff.

However, I expect there will still be copy and paste errors transferred over as usual...

Why bother if it's still going to sell well?

I’ll get it for the book, Ewok village and quads.

While the price is high I’m not too bothered about that. Just need to get out under to open sky and get a convoy together. Poot, poot!

For those of us who have been collecting/gaming this for years now, the price does seem a tad high. But for anyone jumping into the game new (and with this change of venue to outside and including vehicles and such I think new players are a huge target) the box set does have value to it. With gangs at 47 USD each and most rule books hitting around 60 USD thats already 248 USD retail... add in the tactics cards and who knows how much the terrain is gonna run, it is gonna be a savings..
It just makes a huge over-investment for anyone who already had standing Orlock gangs...(I still have 3 boxes I haven't completed), but overall,, not a bad beginner entry value for an instantly playable box set.

 ah64pilot5 wrote:
For those of us who have been collecting/gaming this for years now, the price does seem a tad high. But for anyone jumping into the game new (and with this change of venue to outside and including vehicles and such I think new players are a huge target) the box set does have value to it. With gangs at 47 USD each and most rule books hitting around 60 USD thats already 248 USD retail... add in the tactics cards and who knows how much the terrain is gonna run, it is gonna be a savings..
It just makes a huge over-investment for anyone who already had standing Orlock gangs...(I still have 3 boxes I haven't completed), but overall,, not a bad beginner entry value for an instantly playable box set.

You really think so? I would think that someone wanting to enter the hobby would strongly balk if told they have to start with paying 225 euros right off the bat, much more than anyone already inured to GW pricing schemes.

Plus, for a beginner there's nothing there "instantly playable". It's not an "open the box and play" kinda game, at all.

WizKids' new skirmish game Dungeons & Dragons: Onslaught is $139.99 MSRP for "21 Fully-Painted Miniatures" (12 player models & 9 NPCs).

That doesn't make GW's price good. It just makes WizKids price worse.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
That doesn't make GW's price good. It just makes WizKids price worse.

And that one is actually "instantly playable, open the box and rip at it".

But yeah, it's not like that's a good price either.

They should really keep the terrain out of these starters just for price sake.

Yeah but these sets are designed to be "two friends buy it, open and play". They are all-in-one kits designed to give a bit of everything and play right out of the box. No additions, no extras just on the table and play.

With no disrespect meant to people's thoughts on it, I can't ever quite figure out why the "new players" discussion gets brought in with all these $150-300 GW releases. If they did a marketing survey where they got to interview every one who bought this, people new to the hobby with no other GW purchases wouldn't even make up 1% if the people who buy this. It's probably more like 1% of 1%.

All the big box sets GW makes (that aren't 40K starters) are targeted at middle aged men who have been buying their stuff for decades and have already talked themselves into these prices years ago.

 frankelee wrote:
With no disrespect meant to people's thoughts on it, I can't ever quite figure out why the "new players" discussion gets brought in with all these $150-300 GW releases. If they did a marketing survey where they got to interview every one who bought this, people new to the hobby with no other GW purchases wouldn't even make up 1% if the people who buy this. It's probably more like 1% of 1%.

All the big box sets GW makes (that aren't 40K starters) are targeted at middle aged men who have been buying their stuff for decades and have already talked themselves into these prices years ago.

So based on marketing data that you claim they haven't done, you're able to draw conclusions on a demographic? That's pretty impressive. (Also, that math... so, 1/10,000 buying a big box are new players? That's rather bold.)

 Overread wrote:
Yeah but these sets are designed to be "two friends buy it, open and play". They are all-in-one kits designed to give a bit of everything and play right out of the box. No additions, no extras just on the table and play.

I get that but for example the new smaller kill team starter which is much more modest in therms of terrain, still achieves that but for a fraction of the price?

 spiralingcadaver wrote:

 frankelee wrote:
With no disrespect meant to people's thoughts on it, I can't ever quite figure out why the "new players" discussion gets brought in with all these $150-300 GW releases. If they did a marketing survey where they got to interview every one who bought this, people new to the hobby with no other GW purchases wouldn't even make up 1% if the people who buy this. It's probably more like 1% of 1%.

All the big box sets GW makes (that aren't 40K starters) are targeted at middle aged men who have been buying their stuff for decades and have already talked themselves into these prices years ago.

So based on marketing data that you claim they haven't done, you're able to draw conclusions on a demographic? That's pretty impressive. (Also, that math... so, 1/10,000 buying a big box are new players? That's rather bold.)

Yeah, if you think people new to tabletop gaming are walking into the gaming store on the weekend it comes out to grab a limited availability copy of this for $300, then you're just not somebody who knows much about the industry. Sorry if that makes you mad.

 NAVARRO wrote:

 Overread wrote:
Yeah but these sets are designed to be "two friends buy it, open and play". They are all-in-one kits designed to give a bit of everything and play right out of the box. No additions, no extras just on the table and play.

I get that but for example the new smaller kill team starter which is much more modest in therms of terrain, still achieves that but for a fraction of the price?

Which kind of makes sense when you consider that Killteam was specifically designed to appeal to the lighter wallet/newer player. Killteam works best by appealing to a lower price bracket because the idea is to get you started with Killteam and then grow into full 40K armies.

Necromunda isn't a gateway product in the same nature. So they can go for a box that's more expensive, but a lot more impressive in one big go.

 Overread wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:

 Overread wrote:
Yeah but these sets are designed to be "two friends buy it, open and play". They are all-in-one kits designed to give a bit of everything and play right out of the box. No additions, no extras just on the table and play.

I get that but for example the new smaller kill team starter which is much more modest in therms of terrain, still achieves that but for a fraction of the price?

Which kind of makes sense when you consider that Killteam was specifically designed to appeal to the lighter wallet/newer player. Killteam works best by appealing to a lower price bracket because the idea is to get you started with Killteam and then grow into full 40K armies.

Necromunda isn't a gateway product in the same nature. So they can go for a box that's more expensive, but a lot more impressive in one big go.

I could be more willing to accept the inclusion of so much terrain as essential in an underhive dense vertical corridors setting etc... but ash wastes looks like the terrain is much less dense and could be easily replicated with other sets or brands, its just more generic.
One starter for 2 players with a few small pieces for say half the price of the box and then an optional Necromunda branded terrain for ash wastes would potentially be a more tempting option.

"New p[layers" are not all people who never purchase any GW products, could be people who collect the models, but don't play until X happen that tick their interest, could be people that play other GW games and want to play a new game.

WIth a high price point, many would probably prefer KT instead, more popular, better price. more factions, less books, use existing models.

Chopstick wrote:
"New p[layers" are not all people who never purchase any GW products, could be people who collect the models, but don't play until X happen that tick their interest, could be people that play other GW games and want to play a new game.

WIth a high price point, many would probably prefer KT instead, more popular, better price. more factions, less books, use existing models.

I do and I don’t disagree.

You’re spot on that New Player doesn’t necessarily mean someone entirely new to the wider hobby.

But I’m not sure that for Necromunda, a high boxed game price point is necessarily that much of a hurdle. For example, I myself own one of every book released since the relaunch (certainly all the hardbacks), hundreds of pounds worth of Zone Mortalis, more Sector Mechanicus than I realised (you notice these things when moving house!), and enough non-gang specific models to run a campaign with.

From my example? Once I’m settled and have convinced Chaos Cards to let me use their gaming room to host a campaign? Anyone else joining in only needs their House Book, and models for their nascent gang. I can provide everything else, from terrain, rules decisions and indeed rulebook, and a narrative campaign. Hell, I’m even open to letting folk peruse my other books, so long as their hands aren’t all manky and dirty. I can then encourage players to pick up other sundry bits and bobs from the store, such as terrain to customise in their gang colours/graffiti, so when they’re defending it looks like it’s happening on their turf.

Chopstick wrote:
"New p[layers" are not all people who never purchase any GW products, could be people who collect the models, but don't play until X happen that tick their interest, could be people that play other GW games and want to play a new game.

WIth a high price point, many would probably prefer KT instead, more popular, better price. more factions, less books, use existing models.

With as much as they increased the dabble price for KT, you are right that necromunda could make folks think they are getting a bargain picking up octarius for 1/3 off what this box will cost. Maybe that’s their strategy.

In the end the important thing isn't the content of the boxed set, but that all the parts are put on individual sale.

So you have a choice - big boxed set with discount or go for the individual parts you want. And chances are most nations with a healthy GW market will end up with a good chunk of split sets on ebay and trading sites as people buy for the discount and then sell on what they don't want/need from the whole set.

 frankelee wrote:
With no disrespect meant to people's thoughts on it, I can't ever quite figure out why the "new players" discussion gets brought in with all these $150-300 GW releases. If they did a marketing survey where they got to interview every one who bought this, people new to the hobby with no other GW purchases wouldn't even make up 1% if the people who buy this. It's probably more like 1% of 1%.

All the big box sets GW makes (that aren't 40K starters) are targeted at middle aged men who have been buying their stuff for decades and have already talked themselves into these prices years ago.

Three kinds of people come to mind:

1. Whales
2. Scalpers
3. Compulsive spenders

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
"Here is a pic of some sprues that you can't really zoom in on. And no pics of the terrain other than the one you've already seen. Are we unboxing like the kids do on the You Tubes?" - NuGW

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
It’s no different to a Codex release schedule.

"Book of Bugs", "Book of Buggies".

It's a little different to Codices.

It seems like whoever wrote that has literally never seen a single unboxing video of anything. They just heard the buzzword and wanted to show that they're hip with the young kids...


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 Strg Alt wrote:


1. Whales
2. Scalpers
3. Compulsive spenders

I'm in camp #2 if I can find something locally and it's worth a good bit on ebay. However, I don't see a lot of room to flip a box this expensive. By the time you pay sales tax and ebay fees you're breaking even to go through the effort of buying, selling and shipping a giant box. The higher the MSRP, the harder it is to make a profit flipping. Now the $30-35 character models for store events that sell for $75-100 on ebay, I'll grab those all day long. Sometimes I see 2 or 3 just sitting on the shelf months after the event.

1. Whales
2. Scalpers
3. Compulsive spenders

Not sure if I would consider myself as a true whale - but I do *buy what I like, almost regardless of price*.
This include atleast one of each of every Necromunda release this far (except for cards, card stock and dice).
I also tend to buy stuff that might come in handy for conversions (such as Blood Bowl teams just for their open hands).

Being a middle aged male with an economy stable enough to not have any problems with supporting nice looking GW releases - and at the same time push some money into my local gaming store.

I now have a huge shelf with perhaps a hundred unopened or partially cannibalized boxes - and I have no illusions on ever getting all content painted.
Still I cannot feel any shame whatsoever - as these boxes (together with lots of loose bitz) is used as a creative library of parts for all my conversions and other builds.

Also, I can just grab a box and give it to a friend for Christmas or a birthday if I want to nudge them into taking up the hobby

That list leaves off "FANS"


Who I think are often forgotten as a market group by those who have have fallen on bitter times

I'm a "new player" who got ridiculously excited about Ash Wastes, and even though I blanche a bit at the thought... I'll be preordering this. I have played Necromunda a few times, years ago, but haven't tried the new version. But I miiiight fit into that "compulsive spender" or maybe "whale" category mentioned above.

But I'm most excited about the hobby aspect. Painting up weathered habitats sitting 50' in the air? Crazy looking nomads on giant fleas?

Hell yea sign me up

But jeez. Please don't price the huge truck / land train at $150....


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(and I'll admit: my heart skips a beat with joy when I watch my 6 year old play with my 40K terrain. He doesn't know how to play yet, but loves setting up giant battles, and I love watching!)

The price of this box set convinced me to give a try to Deadzone 3rd edition. Or maybe Firefight, who knows.

To my mind, a starter set is supposed to be a relatively inexpensive introduction to a game. It doesn't need to include complete, usable forces, or a full table's worth of terrain... it just needs to give players enough to get started with. That gives them a (ideally) temptingly-priced introduction, and then if they enjoy the game they go and add on other stuff. This is exactly what the original Necromunda starter set did... it gave you about half a table's worth of terrain, and very basic models to build your first gang, and then offered the individual stuff to build on from there.

Ash Wastes doesn't fit that criteria. Not for that price. It's not a starter set, it's a boxed game. And an expensive one even then.

Yeah, I spend an embarrassing amount on miniatures, and I like ash wastes aesthetics enough to consider diving into Necromunda. I even saved up for a couple months to buy in...

At that price I'll just have to enjoy from afar.

 Overread wrote:
That list leaves off "FANS"


Who I think are often forgotten as a market group by those who have have fallen on bitter times

frankelee did say "middle aged men who have been buying their stuff for decades and have already talked themselves into these prices years ago"

For those looking for a budget-friendly alternative to the habs, a Turkish mdf company made these:

https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=10160239096415746&set=pcb.1918261468381721

https://www.iliadagamestudio.com/product-page/high-dwelling







Possibly TTcombat will knock a version out too, given how quickly they did their version of Dark Uprising?