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My gut tells me that the follow up book with the actual vehicles in it will also not have the campaign in it so if you want the campaign you'll need the Ash Wastes version of the rule set.

My gut also says I am hungry and want some tacos.

 Lord Damocles wrote:
And this is why GW can get away with these practices.

Yup. Apologists gonna apologize and rationalize.

Its the difference between forming an opinion based on facts rather than emotions.

Gw are banking on those who react, and buy, based solely on their emotions in order to get away with predatory marketing, such as fomo or incomplete games, all while the mob stands behind them with pitchforks ready to nail any dissent against the wall.

Its pretty comical and scarey when you cut it all down to brass tacks.

 PetitionersCity wrote:
I think we disagree Albertorius. You have a set view of what X should be. I understand why you are saying this, but I am (much?) more flexible and feel not so strongly that X needs to be what you view it should be. As youll see above I have written in a concessionary, and empathetic manner, that has tried to offer positive solution while continually understanding and refering back to my own initial disappointment. But I don't think you want that at the moment, or perhaps even ever, because of that set idea of X.

Thus we have conflict, and perhaps no resolution. Ah well. Neither of us is more right than the other, since of course it's all subjective. But it's a bit of a shame this thread doesn't have space for expressions of positivity and negativity, or indeed even balanced opinions as I tried above.

Pretty sure it does have room for both. There just isn't much room for street preachers and soap boxes.
Your manner is neither concessionary or empathetic, and there's no point in patting yourself on the back for it here.

 Gimgamgoo wrote:
Thinking more clearly now, I realise I wouldn't have the rules for the Nomads. Does anyone know if they'll come out in a book soon. Do any rules have a release date?

On the upside, if you're waiting for the cards before getting the Nomads, you'll know if what Kan's saying about "basic rules in the build instructions" is correct or not.

Looks like it was just a 1 week delay on the card as they are on this weeks price list

Nomad gang tactic cards £11 €13.25
Orlock vehicle tactic cards £11 £13.25

According the Necromunda roadmap three books to follow and then another box?

Where is the road map?

It’s buried in the ash wastes. You need to win 7 games against nomads to find the first clue

Danny76 wrote:
Where is the road map?

I am usless at inserting images in Dakka posts, here's a link to the Warhammer Community post about it Mentions "a series of books" in the article and the picture shows at least three followed by a box set?

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/02/01/necromunda-ash-wastes-explained-by-the-guy-in-charge/

So, if that’s accurate, I’m reckoning two Gangs of the wastes books which each will cover 3 of the 6 main houses plus one extra new gang. The third book, no idea. For new gangs, I’m thinking Nomads first and then I reckon we’ll see maybe ratskins and possibly scavvies?

That’s disappointing if they are only doing three ash waste books. They really should do a separate one for each gang or potential force such as irks and GSC.

You really want another 6+ books? Are you being facetious?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
You really want another 6+ books? Are you being facetious?

Kinda both. I sold my books about the time Book of This or That started.
I am curious how many books they can generate until rebooting.
Already semi amazing that they didn’t launch a new edition last year.
This November marks five years of the current one.
They seem to be experimenting with how many splats the fans are willing to take.

Here's an unboxing from a guy I follow, Universal Head, with a deep dive into the rules:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yr9ABx8rxfY

 pancakeonions wrote:
Here's an unboxing from a guy I follow, Universal Head, with a deep dive into the rules:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yr9ABx8rxfY

I appreciate the work they do for the community with the summary sheets and such, but damn that boy is full blown shill.

Managed to gleem a few snippets from that book. I'm guessing Escher may have gene-spliced beasts to ride into the waste. Also, the Van Saar entry mentions Tech-Gangs which is a throwback to Confrontation

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 pancakeonions wrote:
Here's an unboxing from a guy I follow, Universal Head, with a deep dive into the rules:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yr9ABx8rxfY

I appreciate the work they do for the community with the summary sheets and such, but damn that boy is full blown shill.

lol. I don't get that vibe at all (and he didn't have the set's price at the time of the video...). This set is pretty awesome though. I suppose you can quibble about the art style and whatnot, but it's pretty tough to argue against the technical quality that GW brings to the table; their models are just brilliant to assemble nowadays.

But dang. You pay for it.

 pancakeonions wrote:
their models are just brilliant to assemble nowadays.

Especially the ones with separately molded necks and faces.

My guess for the next couple books is a Nomads book, with a subsection for scabies maybe, and a book of wheels that'll cover all the vehicles, and a campaign book with a nod to GSC mining facilities. Then the vehicles will be in those boxes... maybe some ash waste monsters, but those'll probably be from forge world.

I do wish more of the vehicle rules were in the main rule book. Just some basic vehicle types and upgrades (as far as I understand it, there's only the basic game mechanics for driving the quads). Then give the house gangs special upgrades and a special "champion" vehicle. Feels like they could have put the core gang creation mechanics in the basic core rules. After all the first core rule book had rules for playing the two gangs that it came with - in the rule book, not in the assembly instructions.

Huh. Took all weekend, but sold out (temporarily) on the US store. Little surprised by that.

May wander down to the store-that-discounts next weekend looking for it.

 pancakeonions wrote:
lol. I don't get that vibe at all (and he didn't have the set's price at the time of the video...). This set is pretty awesome though. I suppose you can quibble about the art style and whatnot, but it's pretty tough to argue against the technical quality that GW brings to the table; their models are just brilliant to assemble nowadays.

But dang. You pay for it.

I mean... the end result is certainly nothing like the RRT plastics but... holy hell, are they annoying to assemble nowadays. OTOH, printed minis have spoiled me, I guess.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
You really want another 6+ books? Are you being facetious?

It would only make sense, if the book spines would produce a nice pic when queued in a bookshelf. Like in the case of the Duck Tales comics (German: Lustige Taschenbücher).

 privateer4hire wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
You really want another 6+ books? Are you being facetious?

Kinda both. I sold my books about the time Book of This or That started.
I am curious how many books they can generate until rebooting.
Already semi amazing that they didn’t launch a new edition last year.
This November marks five years of the current one.
They seem to be experimenting with how many splats the fans are willing to take.

Some of the rules releases effectively functioned as new editions, despite GW not using the word "edition" in the Necromunda landscape. But if you were to look at a game being played in 2017, 2020 and 2022 they might have as many standout differences as a game of 40K in 3rd, 4th, and 5th edition could.

If Baxx, the internet's foremost Necromunda scholar, deigns to visits the thread, he will be able to provide a much more precise breakdown of the "edition" eras because he has plotted them out and discussed them before.

Yea, I can't argue that it's a lot of work... But I'm just now getting to my Ork Commandos from Kill Team (I was intimidated by the sprues - there are eight zillion little pieces on each one, dang) and am amazed at how well they're going together. Three (and four) point joins that are so easy to glue... Heads that slot right into place and stay there. Backpacks that make sense and fit well. These models are all brilliant.

And thank god they didn't model an individual cigar for each dude, a la Necromunda '17. Dang those Goliath were stupid-complex. I just gave up, and the Escher are still sitting in the damn box.

TGG wrote:

 pancakeonions wrote:
their models are just brilliant to assemble nowadays.

Especially the ones with separately molded necks and faces.

My guess for the next couple books is a Nomads book, with a subsection for scabies maybe, and a book of wheels that'll cover all the vehicles, and a campaign book with a nod to GSC mining facilities. Then the vehicles will be in those boxes... maybe some ash waste monsters, but those'll probably be from forge world.

I do wish more of the vehicle rules were in the main rule book. Just some basic vehicle types and upgrades (as far as I understand it, there's only the basic game mechanics for driving the quads). Then give the house gangs special upgrades and a special "champion" vehicle. Feels like they could have put the core gang creation mechanics in the basic core rules. After all the first core rule book had rules for playing the two gangs that it came with - in the rule book, not in the assembly instructions.

So earlier I tried to explain some of this, but people obviously are upset, so perhaps not interested - but overall:

- All the core vehicle mechanics are in the rulebook - how all vehicles effectively work, including with variations for skimmers, tracked vehicles, and wheeled vehicles. Rules also how transport works too is included. There aren't mentions of walker vehicles or flyers, however, or the crawlers of old - but the tracked options works well for both, if you like, for now, until we know if they do occur. Key things which are different from "fighters" (infantry, cavalry and bikers) is they receive damage differently, they move differently, they can be climbed like terrain but it's dangerous to do so unless they have a transport capacity, they take damage differently and they have Crew, who also function differently from fighters.

Here are the core mechanics for vehicles:



- Vehicle characteristic profiles are not in the core rulebook, beyond two examples (a tooled up Orlock Quad, with wargear and special rules from the forthcoming book) and an Ash Rig (which possibly is the Cargo-8) - which essentially are characteristic examples to show how to understand the profiles and how to use vehicle cards. This is much like the core rulebook from 2018, which only featured an example ganger profile and example fighter card for the same purposes (again examples for fighters are present in this rulebook).



- In the instructions leaflet is an introductory profile for an orlock buggy, but it is different in credits and composition from the one previewed on WHC last week, which presumably is the "full" profile - and costs crew separately from the vehicle itself, as crew can die, and thus need to be replaced!







Some other thoughts:

- In the leaflet also are evidence of how vehicles are modified - they have special rules like the aforementioned wheeled, tracked, skimmer, etc. In addition, the orlock buggy has the "agile" special rule - allowing it to turn twice. So not every vehicle of this "weight" might have that special rule, and there could be others too - heavy, armoured, etc., which different types of vehicles will have.



- As mentioned above, the example vehicle card shows off some of the forthcoming campaign extras a vehicle might obtain (e.g. a searchlight!). The campaign rules (also in the pdfs from Friday) tell us that vehicles can have upgrades and also have hardpoints to which fixed weapons can be attached - the rules in the leaflet obviously do not mention hardpoints or upgrades, so again, this is forthcoming. The core rulebook features a max profile for vehicles - so presumably crew gain XP for their stats - but for the M, Armour, Handling, Save and Hull Points, presumably these are the bought upgrades you spend your hard-earned credits on.

Yes, yes, you keep explaining how needing another 120€ worth of books that aren't even out yet to play the base game is a good thing.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Yes, yes, you keep explaining how needing another 120€ worth of books that aren't even out yet to play the base game is a good thing.

No need to exaggerate, please, I haven't said that.

 Altruizine wrote:

 privateer4hire wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
You really want another 6+ books? Are you being facetious?

Kinda both. I sold my books about the time Book of This or That started.
I am curious how many books they can generate until rebooting.
Already semi amazing that they didn’t launch a new edition last year.
This November marks five years of the current one.
They seem to be experimenting with how many splats the fans are willing to take.

Some of the rules releases effectively functioned as new editions, despite GW not using the word "edition" in the Necromunda landscape. But if you were to look at a game being played in 2017, 2020 and 2022 they might have as many standout differences as a game of 40K in 3rd, 4th, and 5th edition could.

If Baxx, the internet's foremost Necromunda scholar, deigns to visits the thread, he will be able to provide a much more precise breakdown of the "edition" eras because he has plotted them out and discussed them before.

Agree with you on all points. Similar to the thing about tell me you’re making a new edition without saying you are making a new edition.

 PetitionersCity wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Yes, yes, you keep explaining how needing another 120€ worth of books that aren't even out yet to play the base game is a good thing.

No need to exaggerate, please, I haven't said that.

Just a FYI, it usually is not kosher here to go up and post full sets of rules.

Oh it does have some info on the different kinda of vehicles, that's good. Still, there's only a max stat line for "generic vehicle" instead of for each type and weight of vehicle. Even if they were gonna keep some types locked away to house gangs, they could have included stats for bikes, buggies and the cargo-8 that they've shown off as a generic vehicle. IF they have, then I missed it in all the explanations and unboxing vids.

They have given snippet of information as to the possibilities available if you buy the next book(s). The first rule book was limited to the models and terrain in the box (which was a bummer) but I don't remember it having a bunch of "look forward to this" bits in it.

Also, I'm excited for the expanded rules, looking forward to the future publications too. That doesn't mean that I can't be disappointed with the way they release it all. Can't make everyone happy

Also, thanks for posting all those pics.

What was it Kirby said that GW fans love the most?