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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/01/30 17:03:59
Subject: If the Primaris take over
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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If, as predicted the Primaris replace what are already being called old marines, do you believe that means they will replace everything? By which i mean will there be a codex released that doesn’t have a rhino in it? Will all the characters be replaced with Primaris characters?
Having left 40k in about 1995 and coming back in 2019 I can see the model range for SM legions hasn’t changed in its entirety. I got my old azreal model out and found it was the same as the one they are still selling. Rhinos, land raiders, predators, Devastators and so on, I’ve come back and if the models aren’t exactly the same they are recognisable and my old models for the current game are fine.
To replace all of those including characters and vehicles will create a huge amount of stranded assets and ask people to re invest quite a lot.
And yes I can see how indexes would allow you to keep using those models but if the fluff says your guys have gone the way of the squats then is that really fun.
I dunno, do I just need to get with the programme? The ork range looks very different to my old codex, no more blood axes and bad moons. So are they just doing what they did to the Orks? Are people sick of talking about this now?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/01/30 17:10:09
Subject: Re:If the Primaris take over
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Workshop are stating Primaris won't take over. But they will.
You mention Azrael so you are Dark Angels. (Or at leats have some Dark Angels).
To be fair you will want to pick up some primaris. This does not mena you have to have entirely primaris but alot of the recent focus is on them. For example, Psychic awakening gives access to a load of stratagems for intercessors. Making a DA intercessor pretty scar, 36" range, 18" rapid fire with auto hits. and stratagems to improve AP and damage. On a basic gun.
So advice is to probably go hybrid for a while.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/01/30 17:51:39
Subject: If the Primaris take over
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The thing is, I do agree with what they are without a lore. Their models are really sweet, especially compared to some more ugly space marine models. I enjoy their new statlines in tabletop as I always felt that space marines were pretty weak for how powerful they are supposed to be in lore. 1 wound kill same as a guardsman? Give me a break!
There is no surprise that they are popular. I wish that we all would just ignore this little mishap from GW and call Primaris marines just space marines with new armor. If that is not possible then just lets say that they are Thunder Warriors of old. Make some new lore showing why Thunder Warriors were made obsolete. How unstable they are, how unsuited they are for peace time duties, etc. Make their lore actually interesting and sensible!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/01/30 17:56:22
Subject: If the Primaris take over
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Sure I appreciate the hybrid approach and I am looking at ways of doing this that satisfy my head cannon.
It’s no so much the introduction of Primaris into my army that Concerns me but the phasing out of the old models. We have characters like mephiston become Primaris, will more follow or will he replace the golden boy as the leader of the BA.
I just think it’s a bold move that I’m struggling meg to believe will actually take place especially when people have spent 20 - 55 pound on characters or vehicles. Primaris won’t fit in the raven wing vehicles
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/01/30 18:28:16
Subject: If the Primaris take over
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Prescient Cryptek of Eternity
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My expectation is that the timeline will look roughly like this...
1. Primaris Marines are introduced.
2. New Primaris versions of existing battlefield roles are released and named characters are upgraded to Primaris status.
3. New Codex Space Marines Codex released featuring only Primaris. All old style Marines moved to a "Legends" style book/pdf.
Right now we're on step 2. I assume step 3 will happen EVENTUALLY, but it's likely years out. Once step 3 happens, the tournament scene will likely stop allowing the old style Marines and Primaris will have "taken over". Automatically Appended Next Post: mrFickle wrote:Sure I appreciate the hybrid approach and I am looking at ways of doing this that satisfy my head cannon.
It’s no so much the introduction of Primaris into my army that Concerns me but the phasing out of the old models. We have characters like mephiston become Primaris, will more follow or will he replace the golden boy as the leader of the BA.
I just think it’s a bold move that I’m struggling meg to believe will actually take place especially when people have spent 20 - 55 pound on characters or vehicles. Primaris won’t fit in the raven wing vehicles
To use the example of the Ravenwing... you really just need a Primaris Biker unit, a Primaris Attack Bike and a Primaris Landspeeder. If the rumors are to be believed, all of those are on the way. At that point, all new recruits (who will be Primaris) are handed the keys to a new "Bigboi"-pattern Astartes Bike and the Ravenwing becomes 100% Primaris through attrition over the course of maybe a few hundred years.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/01/30 19:46:18
Subject: If the Primaris take over
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Ultramarine Chaplain with Hate to Spare
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mrFickle wrote:If, as predicted the Primaris replace what are already being called old marines, do you believe that means they will replace everything? By which i mean will there be a codex released that doesn’t have a rhino in it? Will all the characters be replaced with Primaris characters?
Having left 40k in about 1995 and coming back in 2019 I can see the model range for SM legions hasn’t changed in its entirety. I got my old azreal model out and found it was the same as the one they are still selling. Rhinos, land raiders, predators, Devastators and so on, I’ve come back and if the models aren’t exactly the same they are recognisable and my old models for the current game are fine.
To replace all of those including characters and vehicles will create a huge amount of stranded assets and ask people to re invest quite a lot.
And yes I can see how indexes would allow you to keep using those models but if the fluff says your guys have gone the way of the squats then is that really fun.
I dunno, do I just need to get with the programme? The ork range looks very different to my old codex, no more blood axes and bad moons. So are they just doing what they did to the Orks? Are people sick of talking about this now?
I honestly wouldn't feel forced to replace my old models with Primaris until the classic options are actually gone from the codex. Classic Marines play great, and have a number of options and features available to them that Primaris just don't have. Squads with mixed weapons, Drop Pods, Bikes, Terminators and Land Speeders are all unique classic items that are still supported and viable. If you're not keen on the Primaris, for whatever reason (even if it's just price-of-replacement), then don't worry about it, you're fine.
Unfortunately the same can't be said about adding to your classic army. The future of the classics is uncertain, and you might be taking a risk if you purchase models in the classic line. It's possible that they could be removed from the game at some point. That didn't stop me from adding to my collection, but that's 100% my personal choice. I love the classics and really dislike the Primaris. A Space Marine army without Tacticals, Terminators, Rhinos and Land Raiders is just not a Space Marine army to me.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/01/30 21:00:32
Subject: If the Primaris take over
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Enigmatic Chaos Sorcerer
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Insectum7 wrote:mrFickle wrote:If, as predicted the Primaris replace what are already being called old marines, do you believe that means they will replace everything? By which i mean will there be a codex released that doesn’t have a rhino in it? Will all the characters be replaced with Primaris characters?
Having left 40k in about 1995 and coming back in 2019 I can see the model range for SM legions hasn’t changed in its entirety. I got my old azreal model out and found it was the same as the one they are still selling. Rhinos, land raiders, predators, Devastators and so on, I’ve come back and if the models aren’t exactly the same they are recognisable and my old models for the current game are fine.
To replace all of those including characters and vehicles will create a huge amount of stranded assets and ask people to re invest quite a lot.
And yes I can see how indexes would allow you to keep using those models but if the fluff says your guys have gone the way of the squats then is that really fun.
I dunno, do I just need to get with the programme? The ork range looks very different to my old codex, no more blood axes and bad moons. So are they just doing what they did to the Orks? Are people sick of talking about this now?
I honestly wouldn't feel forced to replace my old models with Primaris until the classic options are actually gone from the codex. Classic Marines play great, and have a number of options and features available to them that Primaris just don't have. Squads with mixed weapons, Drop Pods, Bikes, Terminators and Land Speeders are all unique classic items that are still supported and viable. If you're not keen on the Primaris, for whatever reason (even if it's just price-of-replacement), then don't worry about it, you're fine.
Unfortunately the same can't be said about adding to your classic army. The future of the classics is uncertain, and you might be taking a risk if you purchase models in the classic line. It's possible that they could be removed from the game at some point. That didn't stop me from adding to my collection, but that's 100% my personal choice. I love the classics and really dislike the Primaris. A Space Marine army without Tacticals, Terminators, Rhinos and Land Raiders is just not a Space Marine army to me.
Agreed. An executioner tank will never be as cool as a landraider. And the godawful astreus will never compare to a fellblade or falchion.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/01/31 13:09:50
Subject: If the Primaris take over
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Agreed. And why then are primaris units not as customisable as classic marines?
He’ll blasters all have the same weapons right? You don’t get the choice of 1 special weapon or a choice of assault weapons etc
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/02/01 22:31:16
Subject: Re:If the Primaris take over
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Commander of the Mysterious 2nd Legion
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my gut feeling is old marines won't go anywhere, UNLESS people stop buying them. if people stop buying them and the line is no longer profitable then, and only then will GW phase them out
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/02/01 23:22:43
Subject: Re:If the Primaris take over
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One really cool thing about the Primaris Marines is that in small-scale skirmish games, they are impressively attention-grabbing. Even just counting Intercessors as normal (truescaled) marines with bolters, they dominate visually, which is not really as obvious when taken as an entire army.
Put an Intercessor next to an old-school Necromunda figure, and it's like looking at Artemis from Inquisitor, which was the first time a "real" scaled marine was available (even though it was in 54mm). You have a table where a trio of Primaris are fighting against 6 or 8 human figures, and you can really see how outmatched humans would be against Astartes.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/02/02 00:38:37
Subject: If the Primaris take over
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Ultramarine Chaplain with Hate to Spare
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BrianDavion wrote:my gut feeling is old marines won't go anywhere, UNLESS people stop buying them. if people stop buying them and the line is no longer profitable then, and only then will GW phase them out
The issue there is that GW now has a new established scale for normal Space Marines with the CSM kit/s. So is GW going to determine how marines will sell by observing sales of the older, smaller models? Or are they going to invest in an upscaled new kit/s and address the lore and rules, emphasizing the important roles of the classics?
Personally I've done my part in terms of purchasing classic marines in the last few years, but I'm prepared to say I'm in the minority. I think a lot of folks withheld from purchasing classics due to the uncertain future.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/02/02 00:46:38
Subject: Re:If the Primaris take over
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Commander of the Mysterious 2nd Legion
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AegisGrimm wrote:One really cool thing about the Primaris Marines is that in small-scale skirmish games, they are impressively attention-grabbing. Even just counting Intercessors as normal (truescaled) marines with bolters, they dominate visually, which is not really as obvious when taken as an entire army.
Put an Intercessor next to an old-school Necromunda figure, and it's like looking at Artemis from Inquisitor, which was the first time a "real" scaled marine was available (even though it was in 54mm). You have a table where a trio of Primaris are fighting against 6 or 8 human figures, and you can really see how outmatched humans would be against Astartes.
absolutely I've taken them in kill team, and you plunk down a squad of intercessors against guardsmen in kill team and it REALLY gives a lethal feel Automatically Appended Next Post: Insectum7 wrote:BrianDavion wrote:my gut feeling is old marines won't go anywhere, UNLESS people stop buying them. if people stop buying them and the line is no longer profitable then, and only then will GW phase them out
The issue there is that GW now has a new established scale for normal Space Marines with the CSM kit/s. So is GW going to determine how marines will sell by observing sales of the older, smaller models? Or are they going to invest in an upscaled new kit/s and address the lore and rules, emphasizing the important roles of the classics?
Personally I've done my part in terms of purchasing classic marines in the last few years, but I'm prepared to say I'm in the minority. I think a lot of folks withheld from purchasing classics due to the uncertain future.
sure it all depends as I said on if we buy em or not. obviously if every player out there says "forget about classic, we're buying primaris" it becomes almost a self fufilling prophecy
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/02/02 00:55:31
Subject: If the Primaris take over
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Ultramarine Chaplain with Hate to Spare
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^Sure, but I'm saying that's not a good test.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/02/02 03:15:01
Subject: If the Primaris take over
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Crushing Black Templar Crusader Pilot
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You don't need to do anything you don't want to. The Classic Scale Marine resistance lives on!
But for real, I think there are more than a few of us who have sizable collections prior to primaris dropping, and have a healthy amount of cynicism regarding arbitrary "oh, these guys can't ride in this because...". "physically larger and also therefore superior in every way (including pricetag)"
I for one prefer my classic marines. I like that they're a lil goofy-lookin, I like that most other kinds of infantry are bigger and scarier than them. I like that they're bigger than a normal human, but not by all that much. I think it suits the setting, and I love the raw customization potential with them.
I think any good hobbyist is always excited to see classic models, and their still valid now, so what are you waiting for? I'm fairly sure GW learned from the backlash generated when the retired entire factions with the End Times not to do so with 40k. (though it never hurts to be cynical)
I think your space marines are safe. By all means, grab some primaris if you want to, but you certainly don't need them to enjoy the hobby, especially if you enjoy the models, or the style of models you already have.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/02/02 05:02:42
Subject: If the Primaris take over
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I was hoping and expecting the SM vehicle line would simply be modernized. At most, slightly upgraded like the rhino to the impulsor's upper front half. Instead it looks like well be getting a bunch of upgunned grav tanks with stupid features like the Impulsor's sponsons and non-closable passenger bay with a mere 6 person capacity.
I am praying the grav stuff gets retconned to be something that is rare, seen only in abundance because they were secretly amassed for so long, while tanks with actual treads that look remotley normal become more common place. Aslong as said tanks arent packed to the brim with guns, because it just looks silly. Automatically Appended Next Post: Also, I expect Primaris marines will eventually drop the "primaris" title once every marine is primaris. At that point we will hopefully see more realistic squads with special and heavy weapon members or simply just members with different guns in squads. Hopefully they will also get a more uniform look. Not like now where every damn unit has a different look for some reason. I mean, mk.x Tacticus is the "normal" sub-pattern of mk.x but who actually wears it? Just intercessors. Hellblaster too but even they have a slight variation with tassets and double the tubes on the face mask, when really variations like that should be on a member by member basis, not squad by squad.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/02/02 13:19:32
Subject: If the Primaris take over
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1. Introduce Primaris Marines.
2. Slowly Add More Primaris Marines to replace existing models.
3. Primaris Marines become Space Marines.
4. Reference to the Old Marines and Primaris becomes Synonyms.
5. Primaris version of civil war, involving Cawl and Guilliman.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/02/02 14:59:21
Subject: If the Primaris take over
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Space Marines without their Rhinos & Predators etc just won't be Space Marines to me. But in the long-term that is what I expect to happen
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/02/03 03:58:34
Subject: Re:If the Primaris take over
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So given this isn't a LORE conversation maybe it should be moved to the general discussion page?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/02/03 06:14:10
Subject: If the Primaris take over
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Ernestas wrote:The thing is, I do agree with what they are without a lore. Their models are really sweet, especially compared to some more ugly space marine models. I enjoy their new statlines in tabletop as I always felt that space marines were pretty weak for how powerful they are supposed to be in lore. 1 wound kill same as a guardsman? Give me a break!
There is no surprise that they are popular. I wish that we all would just ignore this little mishap from GW and call Primaris marines just space marines with new armor. If that is not possible then just lets say that they are Thunder Warriors of old. Make some new lore showing why Thunder Warriors were made obsolete. How unstable they are, how unsuited they are for peace time duties, etc. Make their lore actually interesting and sensible!
I wish so much that Cawl's grand project had been new armor, new weapons, etc, that required a new set of mechanical implants to work. It fits better with him being mechanic-oriented, creates a strong plot hook of 'what is in those implants, exactly?' and lets GW do everything they did model/lore wise without making old marines obsolete. They could even have the legions of vat-grown warriors still in, as regular space marines with 'fixed' gene-seed and these new implants. Somewhat ironically it would make them more suspicious in an uncanny-valley sort of way and IMO would have just been better writing.
As to the OP? I believe that GW currently has no plans to remove the old marine range. Those plans may be formed eventually but it isn't something they are even thinking about right now, and consequentially it is a decade off at the closest. They may also decide to cut the range down but still update certain kits, I feel that is a reasonable (lesser) possibility. But regardless I do not believe anything is happening close enough in the future that it really matters now.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/02/03 09:12:55
Subject: If the Primaris take over
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If classic marines are not dropped then doesn’t this give SM armies an unfair advantage going forward in terms of choice of units. The only other codex I have is CSM and I don’t think there are as many unit options in there
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/02/03 09:29:31
Subject: Re:If the Primaris take over
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"If the Primaris take over..." is going to lead to "Space Marines are 15 feet tall" and the resulting True Scale Marines are going to be going around making the dreadnoughts look small.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/02/03 09:35:37
Subject: If the Primaris take over
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Side note: Orks still have all their Klans: Bloodaxes, Bad Moons, Snakebites, Goffs and so on. This was never dropped, at all. In fact the Ork Klans have showed up multiple times in White Dwarf articles and suchlike after the 1990s. I only got into the hobby in 2003, and it didn't take long before a WD article informed me of the Klans and their colour schemes and oddities. Klans may not be in studio focus as they once were in the '90s, but they were never dropped.
More to the point: 40k just doesn't work that way. Things aren't just dropped and retconned, no matter what people believe. The recent return of Squats, Genestealer Cults and Zoats should serve to crush that notion finally. Necron Pariahs and Sensei may well return from the shadow wings in the future for some spotlight again, but absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. They're probably still around in some fashion.
Even if Space Marines don't receive new miniature products in the future, they will still remain updated for codex play. 30 years as 40k's and GW's poster boys and cash cow cannot be discarded. Precisely because they don't want to alienate old returning veterans and hobbyists keen on officiality who might take offense if their collection was seemingly anullated.
Fluffwise, Primaris would make more sense as just new Space Marine models, an update to the old design. Instead they went down the secret project route in order to not invalidate existing SM collections and create a schism.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/02/03 10:20:01
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Ernestas wrote:The thing is, I do agree with what they are without a lore. Their models are really sweet, especially compared to some more ugly space marine models. I enjoy their new statlines in tabletop as I always felt that space marines were pretty weak for how powerful they are supposed to be in lore. 1 wound kill same as a guardsman? Give me a break!
There is no surprise that they are popular. I wish that we all would just ignore this little mishap from GW and call Primaris marines just space marines with new armor. If that is not possible then just lets say that they are Thunder Warriors of old. Make some new lore showing why Thunder Warriors were made obsolete. How unstable they are, how unsuited they are for peace time duties, etc. Make their lore actually interesting and sensible!
The models are too big for basic marines though. They are custodian sized who are head taller than marines so unless you want to retcon marines to be 8 foot tall and custodians be same size which doesn't fit with gw's bigger=tougher...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/02/03 10:28:19
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they will still remain updated for codex play
For a time. I'm sure in 5, or 10 years, we'll see the OldMarines move to the Legend hall of fame, for a Deserved Rest.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/02/03 10:41:38
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At this point as others have said, they already have the molds and current space marines let you have varying age groups and represent many time lines from one model line already.
As said, if they did invalidate old marines they wouldn't do so for at least another decade or so. At that point does it matter really ? If you're old enough in this game its possible you won't even be playing this game anymore or really not care what GW does with old marines because you've stopped with the arms race long ago.
I know I'd just run my old models as current rules and costs or stick to old editions for my marines I wouldn't just re buy my whole force at that point I'm long past worrying about such things.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/02/03 11:03:44
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Cronch wrote: they will still remain updated for codex play
For a time. I'm sure in 5, or 10 years, we'll see the OldMarines move to the Legend hall of fame, for a Deserved Rest.
legends is exclusivly for product they don't make anymore. given that some models in this game are old eneugh to legally drink in the USA, that means they'll be able to get a LOT of life from the Marine kits. especially given that the "core 3" kits (tacs, devs and assaults) are practically brand new.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/02/03 11:59:46
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Cronch wrote:
For a time. I'm sure in 5, or 10 years, we'll see the OldMarines move to the Legend hall of fame, for a Deserved Rest.
Only in death does duty end.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/02/03 12:21:51
Subject: If the Primaris take over
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Shadowy Grot Kommittee Memba
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The only thing that frustrates me about primaris is how much they've blandified the marine playstyle. It's like I woke up one day and 60% of the people I play with had exchanged their armies for Tau.
I chalk some of that up to the most boring models being the ones with the most obvious appeal. Maybe somebody out there wanted Call of Duty Modern Warfare marines, but not my group apparently. I've never seen any of the new commando marines except for the snipers.
It's all just a big block of intercessors, aggressors, eliminators, a repulsor or two, and some suppressors all standing in range of full reroll hits aura, reroll 1s to wound aura, and shoot when you die banner.
Tau at least want to get within 15 for rapid fire range... at this point I'd rather play Tau.
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"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"
"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"
"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"
"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!" |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/02/03 12:40:10
Subject: If the Primaris take over
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Courageous Space Marine Captain
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tneva82 wrote:
The models are too big for basic marines though. They are custodian sized who are head taller than marines so unless you want to retcon marines to be 8 foot tall and custodians be same size which doesn't fit with gw's bigger=tougher...
No. If the Custodes are indeed intended to be much taller than marines (still citation needed for that, doesn't say so in their codex) then Custodes models are simply too short. When compared to all normal human models (which massively outnumber the few Custodes kits) the Primaris marines would be about sevenish feet tall, and so would be the Custodes.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/02/03 12:48:50
Subject: If the Primaris take over
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Crimson wrote:tneva82 wrote:
The models are too big for basic marines though. They are custodian sized who are head taller than marines so unless you want to retcon marines to be 8 foot tall and custodians be same size which doesn't fit with gw's bigger=tougher...
No. If the Custodes are indeed intended to be much taller than marines (still citation needed for that, doesn't say so in their codex) then Custodes models are simply too short. When compared to all normal human models (which massively outnumber the few Custodes kits) the Primaris marines would be about sevenish feet tall, and so would be the Custodes.
GW and scale has never really mixed so well.
It’s kind of humerus that with marines being made out to be quite impressive. That on the table they are sort of end up being a bit stunted now in feel. Primaris should have just been the excuse to bring marines up to scale, and new kits with some marine upgrades. Soft redoing of the kits. Guard getting slightly smaller and eldar being a bit taller but thin when next to marines,
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