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I'm sorry, are you hating on primfangs? God, everyone is so sensitive about space wolf stuff, primfangs have been coming in the lore for AGES you guys!

I just love how my primfang alphaclaw with twin frostwolf helclaws is posed doing a quintuple corkscrew backflip off the corpse of magnus. It's actually part of the primfang initiation ritual to kill him and banish him back to the warp - you actually can't wolfscend to alphaclaw status until you present magnus' skull or one of his nipple horns to the primfang packmaster.

Whoa dude. Spoiler tag needed. That reveal wasnt supposed to come for another 3 weeks.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Tyel wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
I feel like the big Psychic Awakening event has rather lacked a big psyker...much of anything?

I think "this" is one of the stranger misses of the whole thing.

Having decided that Chaplains are D&D priests now, I thought it opened up a whole new vista of options.
A whole range of buff bot characters could have been given alternative options or flat buffs that are quasi-psychic abilities.
But instead... its just been make your own X with a few random extra bits.

It is weird. Especially since the 8th ed Mechanicus codex has them chasing down psychic STCs and yet we're not even seeing any of that there.


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And Wulfen Primaris is a natural direction for Space Wolves sooner or later for sure.

Well how much psychic STC stuff was actually done at the fluff start of 8th? Seeing PA happens before 8th ed starts if it wasn't in 8th ed start mentioned at all would be more of "oh it was there all along" retcon stuff

the_scotsman wrote:

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

 ikeulhu wrote:

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

Dudeface wrote:
Expand your scope of vision - primaris wulfen!

My god, they wouldn't, would they?! They would. The crazy gits would.

And they shall be dubbed.... Wulfaris

OMG. This is worryingly likely.

I'm sorry, are you hating on primfangs? God, everyone is so sensitive about space wolf stuff, primfangs have been coming in the lore for AGES you guys!

I just love how my primfang alphaclaw with twin frostwolf helclaws is posed doing a quintuple corkscrew backflip off the corpse of magnus. It's actually part of the primfang initiation ritual to kill him and banish him back to the warp - you actually can't wolfscend to alphaclaw status until you present magnus' skull or one of his nipple horns to the primfang packmaster.

God I love this post. First in a long while to give me an actual chuckle. Very good.

 ClockworkZion wrote:


And Wulfen Primaris is a natural direction for Space Wolves sooner or later for sure.

I feel like the Wulfen (having just made a bunch alongside building some Primaris and Vanguard Primaris models to get my wolves up to 8th edition) are already close to Primaris scale, and the model is so recent that I doubt they'll redo them - it always felt to me that they knew the scale increase was going to happen when they designed them, as they fit much better alongside primaris than standard grey hunters.

 darrkespur wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:


And Wulfen Primaris is a natural direction for Space Wolves sooner or later for sure.

I feel like the Wulfen (having just made a bunch alongside building some Primaris and Vanguard Primaris models to get my wolves up to 8th edition) are already close to Primaris scale, and the model is so recent that I doubt they'll redo them - it always felt to me that they new the scale increase was going to happen when they designed them, as they fit much better alongside primaris than standard grey hunters.

I assume more likely that the Wulfen will just get the Primaris keyword and that'll be it.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

ON TOPIC - Ragnar will surely be Primaris. Wulfen are not the hot new thing that GW are pushing at the moment.

On topic, I doubt they'll make primaris wulfen you may just consider the wulfen primaris and they'd gain an extra wound, other ability etc etc. Sort of like death company intercessors just so stat changes I'd imagine. As well yes if Ragnar is done I expect him to be primaris, however if they remade him as non primaris that could be an amazing precedent I'd like to see too showing a new old marine updated as an old marine. Could be interesting indeed. We will see though I imagine it'll be a primaris I do like some rampant speculation though.

 Alpharius wrote:
I feel like the big Psychic Awakening event has rather lacked a big psyker...much of anything?

It's been exceptionally lacklustre from an "event" perspective. The tacked on campaign bits are essentially an afterthought, with each one ending in a "And then the status quo returned! Buy all of our playsets and toys!". The only real big deals are the updates to the Codices (sucks to be you, Genestealer Cults!). I think it's a big excuse to update everything prior to the launch of 9th.

the_scotsman wrote:
... primfang alphaclaw .. frostwolf helclaws ... wolfscend to alphaclaw ... primfang packmaster.

That's genius. "Wolfscend". Amazing.

And all 100% possible thanks to GW's endless Flanderisation of the Woofs.

Psychic Awakening has been a giant public beta test for the new Codexes. The design team are really having a hard time meeting people's expectations for game balance, have to stick to points (seems odd to say now, but a couple years ago it was up in the air in corporate) and there have been a fair amount of launch issues that Game Workshop wants to avoid going forward. I actually think the company is trying to make proper changes, but its too little and too late at this point to make much of an impact.

 Alpharius wrote:
It would be interesting to see Ragnar wounded by Ghaz, Ghaz moves on, Ragnar Primarises Up, then returns and one shots Ghaz, who 'disappears in a blast of green light' etc, etc, etc

If I was a betting man I'd say a £5 bet would be safe in this...


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Benionin wrote:
Necrons reactivating their Dolmen gates to break back into the Webway on a large scale and fighting with the Harlequins would be a decent hook for a Webway War book.

How many harlequins do people think exists so that they can fight a full on war ??
They're effectively a large dancing troupe..

If that is what Ragnar does, the rage will be legendary.

Darsath wrote:
Psychic Awakening has been a giant public beta test for the new Codexes. .

A paid beta test!
I think you are right on the money. And when I said at PA1 this is all obviously stop gap before 2.0 dexes so that marines aren't obscenely out powering everyone (they still are but thanks to PA not as obscenely).
Lots a people said naht his is campaign books/lore updates yadda yadda… GW then later said these are codex updates.

But lets be honest here.. would anyone actually be surprised if we saw:

Alpha Wolf prime
Wulfolators
Wolf Stalkers
Frostulsors etc. ??

Ya know its coming...

 Argive wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
It would be interesting to see Ragnar wounded by Ghaz, Ghaz moves on, Ragnar Primarises Up, then returns and one shots Ghaz, who 'disappears in a blast of green light' etc, etc, etc

If I was a betting man I'd say a £5 bet would be safe in this...


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Benionin wrote:
Necrons reactivating their Dolmen gates to break back into the Webway on a large scale and fighting with the Harlequins would be a decent hook for a Webway War book.

How many harlequins do people think exists so that they can fight a full on war ??
They're effectively a large dancing troupe..

How many Eldar are left of this Dying Race on their Dying Craftworlds, that people think they can continuously fight in wars where they lose ridiculously large numbers?

There are as many Harlequins as the story requires. Frankly that could be an interesting book.

One aspect people forget is that the galaxy is a vast place. Even a dying race like the Eldar still have a huge population. It's just small compared to the teeming vast masses of races like humanity, orks and the like.

Eldar most certainly can engage in large scale battles and can take heavy loses. The difference is that whilst the Imperium can throw billions at the wall and lose them without any pains; the Eldar can't.
Story wise a big enough loss would see them step onto the backseat for a while as they'd take a lot lot longer to recover.


I think another aspect is that Eldar are not repopulating at a fast rate. The fear and threat of Slaanesh has them spiralling downward. Though the Yinnari appears to be bucking that trend. Potentially there's room there for the Eldar to have a surge in population and activity. Perhaps newer, younger generations taking up the new call to arms etc.. .

 Overread wrote:
One aspect people forget is that the galaxy is a vast place.

One other aspect people forget is that the fluff is arbitrary. There will always be enough of whatever the writers need to make any required story happen.

This was never better seen than with the story of Craftworld Malan'tai, and it's violent demise.

Eldar have incredibly slow gestation cycles and take a long time to reach maturity so even if Ynnead protects their souls they aren't going to be seeing a massive population boom without resorting to mass cloning (something the Dark Eldar use fairly heavilly).

This series has been interesting to say the least. I think a lot of us were expecting them to use more plot points from the codexes (like the Ad Mech and the push to reclaim a world rumored to have psychic based STCs), but they seem to be setting up plot points for future campaigns.

The idea that this may be a sort of open beta seems sound and using something like this to do a massed update (I've been calling PA the 1.5 update compared to the vanilla Marines 2.0 book) to prevent books from languishing as long between updates seems like an interesting experiment. I'd prefer they do free open beta, but baby steps in the right direction are far better than the Kirby-era drunken stumbling.

To be fair I think they should do beta codexes like they did with sisters in WD. I don't know why this trend stopped...

You get so much playtesting and feedback youd struggle to feth things up SM style.. .
Alas Balance is not something GW cares about as long as it keeps selling miniatures.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Eldar have incredibly slow gestation cycles and take a long time to reach maturity so even if Ynnead protects their souls they aren't going to be seeing a massive population boom without resorting to mass cloning (something the Dark Eldar use fairly heavilly).

We won't see a population boom at all. Most of the stories featuring Ynnari for the Blood of the Phoenix release involved the Ynnari characters dying or committing suicide. It doesn't matter what happens to their souls if they keep dying as they get their religious epiphanies.
That said it doesn't really matter. Assuming GW actually does something with the army at some point, enough Pops for an army will be handwaved into existence.

 Argive wrote:
To be fair I think they should do beta codexes like they did with sisters in WD. I don't know why this trend stopped...

You get so much playtesting and feedback youd struggle to feth things up SM style.. .
Alas Balance is not something GW cares about as long as it keeps selling miniatures.

Sisters got a beta in Chapter Approved. The last time they got a WD codex it was their full codex for 3 years with no way of legally downloading it if you missed it.

The CA problem is it limits you to just one army at a time. Doing it via White Dwarf would be better for core gameplay changes, while beta army rules would be better to post online via Warhammer Community.

Wouldn't primaris Wilden be called Incisors? ...

Get it?

...I get it..but I don't want to.

AngryAngel80 wrote:
If that is what Ragnar does, the rage will be legendary.

I doubt it. We're all used to Marines being the Mary Sues of the universe now. I mean it's gone past the lore and they play that way on the tabletop now so I don't think anyone would be shocked if PrimaRagnar showed up and shoryukened Ghaz' into oblivion before his wolves ate the leftovers.

The only saving grace Ghaz' has is that he is still alive 'at present' according to the codex so there's that. Then again he's regularly travelling through time so perhaps Ragnar does kill him but oh noes, he's still around because that was a 'past' or 'future' version of Ghaz.

It’s highly unlikely Ghaz will die considering he’s getting a brand new model. Plus that would be a bit against the status quo for GW.

 ImAGeek wrote:
It’s highly unlikely Ghaz will die considering he’s getting a brand new model. Plus that would be a bit against the status quo for GW.

Agreed but at the same time I think it's certain that he "loses" the engagement with Ragnar.

They're both going to walk away being "bloodied but unbroken" and nothing will change.

So stop being so melodramatic.

 ImAGeek wrote:
It’s highly unlikely Ghaz will die considering he’s getting a brand new model. Plus that would be a bit against the status quo for GW.

I've been thinking and instead of it being a story of Ragnar ggetting beaten so badly it could be Ghaz gets beaten and broken and is rebuilt even badder than before.

I mean Orks will live through all sorts of nonsense and Ghaz hasn't fought many people in hand to hand (being more the cunning Ork calling the shots) so it's not impossible someone like Ragnar could hurt him enough to jusify some upgrades.

Be really funny if the lore bit about Grotsnik capturing Primaris played a role in this too.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
They're both going to walk away being "bloodied but unbroken" and nothing will change.

So stop being so melodramatic.

Melodramatic? Care to explain?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
They're both going to walk away being "bloodied but unbroken" and nothing will change.

So stop being so melodramatic.

Tell that to Calgar who lost his newly regrow limbs to Abbadon. Or Drazhar who had a stint of being dead (well as dead as somone apparently operating by Pheonix Lord rules can be) GW isn't above breaking people now and then for drama.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
They're both going to walk away being "bloodied but unbroken" and nothing will change.

So stop being so melodramatic.

Tell that to Calgar who lost his newly regrow limbs to Abbadon. Or Drazhar who had a stint of being dead (well as dead as somone apparently operating by Pheonix Lord rules can be) GW isn't above breaking people now and then for drama.

But they’re both still around in pretty much the same place they were before. I think they come under ‘bloodied but unbroken’.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
They're both going to walk away being "bloodied but unbroken" and nothing will change.

So stop being so melodramatic.

Tell that to Calgar who lost his newly regrow limbs to Abbadon. Or Drazhar who had a stint of being dead (well as dead as somone apparently operating by Pheonix Lord rules can be) GW isn't above breaking people now and then for drama.

But they’re both still around in pretty much the same place they were before. I think they come under ‘bloodied but unbroken’.

Seems like a stretch but whatever justifications people need to call things "ties" I guess.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
They're both going to walk away being "bloodied but unbroken" and nothing will change.

So stop being so melodramatic.

Tell that to Calgar who lost his newly regrow limbs to Abbadon. Or Drazhar who had a stint of being dead (well as dead as somone apparently operating by Pheonix Lord rules can be) GW isn't above breaking people now and then for drama.

But they’re both still around in pretty much the same place they were before. I think they come under ‘bloodied but unbroken’.

Seems like a stretch but whatever justifications people need to call things "ties" I guess.

Calgar was left maimed and deemed unfit for field duties any more, but then that wasn't in psychic awakening and vigilus actually moved the time line slightly I believe? Where as PA is historic events.