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**the_scotsman**

Holy cow, that reads like the internal monologue of a super-hot lady in a bad novel upon first meeting the author insert character.

"He was a novelist, with all the rugged handsomeness and confidence that came with that esteemed profession. I found my eyes exploring him like a mountaineer exploring a craggy peak. Six foot seven, carved abs visible under his tight t-shirt. A head of hair so full you could swear he was no older than 25, though I knew he was an incredibly verile 57. As an incredibly beautiful woman I felt myself impossibly attracted to tgis rugged rogue."

**Crimson**

the_scotsman wrote:
Holy cow, that reads like the internal monologue of a super-hot lady in a bad novel upon first meeting the author insert character.

"He was a novelist, with all the rugged handsomeness and confidence that came with that esteemed profession. I found my eyes exploring him like a mountaineer exploring a craggy peak. Six foot seven, carved abs visible under his tight t-shirt. A head of hair so full you could swear he was no older than 25, though I knew he was an incredibly verile 57. As an incredibly beautiful woman I felt myself impossibly attracted to tgis rugged rogue."

I mean that is the attitude most BL authors have towards the Space Marines.

**CthuluIsSpy**

ImAGeek wrote:
Crimson wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
Citation needed? Are you for real? They're enormous. They're clearly physically larger than regular standard Marines. You don't need official fluff to tell you that. You have eyes!

Yes, the models are bigger, they're scaled to be about seven feet tall compared to GW's normal humans. Which is the canonical height of a Space Marine. I am asking for a citation to the claim that in the fluff the primaris are supposed to be a head taller than the old marines.

From The Regents Shadow, from the POV of a Custodes:

His voice was strange. His entire armour was strange. Out of the six of them, four were clearly wearing a familiar style - Mark VIII - while two were in battle plate I had never witnessed before. Those two seemed larger than they should have been, bulked out by close fitting ceramite that had a finer edge to it than usual. The leader stood almost as tall as I did. I found myself instinctively wondering what it would be like to go up against such a warrior, and began assessing his likely capabilities and power.

So it was that I laid eyes for the first time on a Primaris Marine.

Just a recent example I’ve read of the size of Primaris Marines in the fiction.

Why does that read like erotic fan fiction?
Is the custodes in that story one of The Fabulous Custodes?

**JSG**

CthuluIsSpy wrote:
ImAGeek wrote:
Crimson wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
Citation needed? Are you for real? They're enormous. They're clearly physically larger than regular standard Marines. You don't need official fluff to tell you that. You have eyes!

Yes, the models are bigger, they're scaled to be about seven feet tall compared to GW's normal humans. Which is the canonical height of a Space Marine. I am asking for a citation to the claim that in the fluff the primaris are supposed to be a head taller than the old marines.

From The Regents Shadow, from the POV of a Custodes:

His voice was strange. His entire armour was strange. Out of the six of them, four were clearly wearing a familiar style - Mark VIII - while two were in battle plate I had never witnessed before. Those two seemed larger than they should have been, bulked out by close fitting ceramite that had a finer edge to it than usual. The leader stood almost as tall as I did. I found myself instinctively wondering what it would be like to go up against such a warrior, and began assessing his likely capabilities and power.

So it was that I laid eyes for the first time on a Primaris Marine.

Just a recent example I’ve read of the size of Primaris Marines in the fiction.

Why does that read like erotic fan fiction?
Is the custodes in that story one of The Fabulous Custodes?

It doesn't, but many are faintly embarrassed by their hobby and crap on it as a kind of inb4.

**Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl**

An Actual Englishman wrote:
It's interesting you say that. Imagine you're at a party right now. You're there with a few friends having a chat about ex partners or something. Everyone is enjoying the conversation. Then, without warning, a stranger keeps barging into the circle of friends talking and interrupts the conversation to talk about Scrabble, boiled eggs, or the price of fish. You are the person discussing Scrabble at the party right now. That, in my experience, is not fun at parties. Don't be that guy. This message is for anyone still discussing Marine scale when it has no place here, outside of the scale of Ragnar and his cohort.

AAE, this is very interesting but also very off-topic. We aren't at a party right now. We are on an internet message board. We aren't talking about ex partners, we are talking about Psychic Awakening, 5 and onward. Can you please take your discussion of parties and ex-partners and boiled eggs and annoying strangers somewhere else? Maybe in the Off Topic section?
Thanks a lot!

**ClockworkZion**

Even at a party conversations will drift and tangent naturally over time. So unless you have someone there forcing everyone to talk about only one thing instead of letting the conversation organically flow, it won't stay locked to any one topic.

Also the whole superiority complex needs to go. No one cares how great someone thinks they are just because they started a thread.

More on topic, Monday will clarify if it's Incursors or Wulfen. Chances are the FB post saw some art or a picture of the box and posted thier assumptions about the contents.

**Audustum**

JSG wrote:
CthuluIsSpy wrote:
ImAGeek wrote:
Crimson wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
Citation needed? Are you for real? They're enormous. They're clearly physically larger than regular standard Marines. You don't need official fluff to tell you that. You have eyes!

Yes, the models are bigger, they're scaled to be about seven feet tall compared to GW's normal humans. Which is the canonical height of a Space Marine. I am asking for a citation to the claim that in the fluff the primaris are supposed to be a head taller than the old marines.

From The Regents Shadow, from the POV of a Custodes:

His voice was strange. His entire armour was strange. Out of the six of them, four were clearly wearing a familiar style - Mark VIII - while two were in battle plate I had never witnessed before. Those two seemed larger than they should have been, bulked out by close fitting ceramite that had a finer edge to it than usual. The leader stood almost as tall as I did. I found myself instinctively wondering what it would be like to go up against such a warrior, and began assessing his likely capabilities and power.

So it was that I laid eyes for the first time on a Primaris Marine.

Just a recent example I’ve read of the size of Primaris Marines in the fiction.

Why does that read like erotic fan fiction?
Is the custodes in that story one of The Fabulous Custodes?

It doesn't, but many are faintly embarrassed by their hobby and crap on it as a kind of inb4.

My first thought was erotic fiction.

**Galas**

In Dark Imperium is always noted that Primaris Marines are bigger than normal marines. They are nearly as tall as Custodes as that fragment points.

Custodes are much bigger than normal marines so that puts Primaris at being noticiably bigger than normal marines. Of course thats justify for them to have "truescale" marine miniatures.

**JSG**

Audustum wrote:

My first thought was erotic fiction.

That says more about you than the qualities of the writing.

**the_scotsman**

Yeah no that is actually steuctured exactly like a monologue from a romance novel. This isnt just "people being ashamed of and gaking on their hobby." It's just structured the same way.

Vaguely intrigued first sentence

Describe person in parts, highlighting particular features before describing the overall picture.

Contrast person to self.

Talk about an instinctive/emotional reaction.

**PiñaColada**

I will defer to the surprisingly deep knowledge people on here have in regards to romance novels and simply agree to the fact that the text didn't seem like it's a part of some great work of art.

**ImAGeek**

The books great, and I didn’t catch any eroticism in the context of the novel. But it’s not like there’s never any homo-erotic undertones to interactions between marines, Custodes etc throughout the books. This is hardly the only part of a 40k novel you could pluck out and read in an erotic way, when divorced from the rest of the context.

**posermcbogus**

LMAO is that actually in a BL novel? I think it's more likely that someone really tried to hammer home to the writer that it needs to be frequently mentioned that the nu marines are physically bigger, but those lingering, surprised-yet-intrigued inner monologues that linger and slaver over every physical detail? That's like, beginner erotic fiction. If I picked up a sci-fi novel that wasn't 40k, and this was in the opening chapter, you can bet I'd put it down for fear of what happens after these characters spar in the fighting pits of Sweatymuscleman IV.

**ImAGeek**

posermcbogus wrote:
LMAO is that actually in a BL novel? I think it's more likely that someone really tried to hammer home to the writer that it needs to be frequently mentioned that the nu marines are physically bigger, but those lingering, surprised-yet-intrigued inner monologues that linger and slaver over every physical detail? That's like, beginner erotic fiction. If I picked up a sci-fi novel that wasn't 40k, and this was in the opening chapter, you can bet I'd put it down for fear of what happens after these characters spar in the fighting pits of Sweatymuscleman IV.

I mean, it’s mentioned once, the first time the character sees a Primaris Marine. And the only physical details are ‘huh different armour and as tall as me’.

**Segersgia**

We kind of know the size comparison thanks to these two pages we got from one of the codices.

Spoiler:

It does fit the scaling that we currently have between the new CSM and the primaris.

Would this perhaps put the discussion to some rest?

**Audustum**

JSG wrote:
Audustum wrote:

My first thought was erotic fiction.

That says more about you than the qualities of the writing.

It's really the writing style. When you're writing about looking over someone's body and considering the power, that's total erotic fiction territory. Someone with literary experience should recognize the styling. Maybe the author just couldn't think of another way to put it, but to not acknowledge it seems to ignore the obvious.

**Ragnar69**

Crimson wrote:
ImAGeek wrote:

From The Regents Shadow, from the POV of a Custodes:

His voice was strange. His entire armour was strange. Out of the six of them, four were clearly wearing a familiar style - Mark VIII - while two were in battle plate I had never witnessed before. Those two seemed larger than they should have been, bulked out by close fitting ceramite that had a finer edge to it than usual. The leader stood almost as tall as I did. I found myself instinctively wondering what it would be like to go up against such a warrior, and began assessing his likely capabilities and power.

So it was that I laid eyes for the first time on a Primaris Marine.

Just a recent example I’ve read of the size of Primaris Marines in the fiction.

Thank you. So Primaris are larger than the old marines and almost as large as Custodes. Sounds about right. But 'the head taller' bit isn't there. I'd assume that the new CSM and the Primaris model are appropriately scaled relative to each other and the CSM represent the proper old marine size. So the Primaris are a bit larger, but not massively so.

It reads that the 2 in the strange armour (Gravis I guess) are taler than the other 4 and nearly as tall as the custodes. That doesn't say much about the other 4. But I guess they are not much bigger than normal marines, more like 4-6 inch and not a foot.

**ImAGeek**

Ragnar69 wrote:
Crimson wrote:
ImAGeek wrote:

From The Regents Shadow, from the POV of a Custodes:

His voice was strange. His entire armour was strange. Out of the six of them, four were clearly wearing a familiar style - Mark VIII - while two were in battle plate I had never witnessed before. Those two seemed larger than they should have been, bulked out by close fitting ceramite that had a finer edge to it than usual. The leader stood almost as tall as I did. I found myself instinctively wondering what it would be like to go up against such a warrior, and began assessing his likely capabilities and power.

So it was that I laid eyes for the first time on a Primaris Marine.

Just a recent example I’ve read of the size of Primaris Marines in the fiction.

Thank you. So Primaris are larger than the old marines and almost as large as Custodes. Sounds about right. But 'the head taller' bit isn't there. I'd assume that the new CSM and the Primaris model are appropriately scaled relative to each other and the CSM represent the proper old marine size. So the Primaris are a bit larger, but not massively so.

It reads that the 2 in the strange armour (Gravis I guess) are taler than the other 4 and nearly as tall as the custodes. That doesn't say much about the other 4. But I guess they are not much bigger than normal marines, more like 4-6 inch and not a foot.

The two in the strange armour are in MkX, and are Primaris. The other 4 are normal marines in MkVIII.

**JSG**

the_scotsman wrote:Yeah no that is actually steuctured exactly like a monologue from a romance novel. This isnt just "people being ashamed of and gaking on their hobby." It's just structured the same way.

Vaguely intrigued first sentence

Describe person in parts, highlighting particular features before describing the overall picture.

Contrast person to self.

Talk about an instinctive/emotional reaction.

It's one genetically enhanced super warrior sizing up another. Maybe the structure is legit, maybe the author is having some fun, maybe there's no connection at all. It's doesn't matter. The reaction on Dakka will be the same regardless.

**Ragnar69**

ImAGeek wrote:
Ragnar69 wrote:
Crimson wrote:
ImAGeek wrote:

From The Regents Shadow, from the POV of a Custodes:

His voice was strange. His entire armour was strange. Out of the six of them, four were clearly wearing a familiar style - Mark VIII - while two were in battle plate I had never witnessed before. Those two seemed larger than they should have been, bulked out by close fitting ceramite that had a finer edge to it than usual. The leader stood almost as tall as I did. I found myself instinctively wondering what it would be like to go up against such a warrior, and began assessing his likely capabilities and power.

So it was that I laid eyes for the first time on a Primaris Marine.

Just a recent example I’ve read of the size of Primaris Marines in the fiction.

Thank you. So Primaris are larger than the old marines and almost as large as Custodes. Sounds about right. But 'the head taller' bit isn't there. I'd assume that the new CSM and the Primaris model are appropriately scaled relative to each other and the CSM represent the proper old marine size. So the Primaris are a bit larger, but not massively so.

It reads that the 2 in the strange armour (Gravis I guess) are taler than the other 4 and nearly as tall as the custodes. That doesn't say much about the other 4. But I guess they are not much bigger than normal marines, more like 4-6 inch and not a foot.

The two in the strange armour are in MkX, and are Primaris. The other 4 are normal marines in MkVIII.

Ah, I somehow read MkIV and thought the Custodes is confusing it with MkX as they are so similiar.
But it is still relative. "Nearly as big as myself" for a big person might very well mean 6" shorter. For myself, 6" shorter would be a dwarf

**JSG**

Audustum wrote:
JSG wrote:
Audustum wrote:

My first thought was erotic fiction.

That says more about you than the qualities of the writing.

It's really the writing style. When you're writing about looking over someone's body and considering the power, that's total erotic fiction territory. Someone with literary experience should recognize the styling. Maybe the author just couldn't think of another way to put it, but to not acknowledge it seems to ignore the obvious.

My point is that your assumption is that a) this is bad and b) the writer lacks the skill to notice or come up with something else. Maybe it just amused him.

**ClockworkZion**

Galas wrote:
In Dark Imperium is always noted that Primaris Marines are bigger than normal marines. They are nearly as tall as Custodes as that fragment points.

Custodes are much bigger than normal marines so that puts Primaris at being noticiably bigger than normal marines. Of course thats justify for them to have "truescale" marine miniatures.

Their voices are apparently a lot deeper too.

**JWBS**

ClockworkZion wrote:
Galas wrote:
In Dark Imperium is always noted that Primaris Marines are bigger than normal marines. They are nearly as tall as Custodes as that fragment points.

Custodes are much bigger than normal marines so that puts Primaris at being noticiably bigger than normal marines. Of course thats justify for them to have "truescale" marine miniatures.

Their voices are apparently a lot deeper too.

They usually have a better sense of humour and also dress more fashionably.

**Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl**

PiñaColada wrote:
I will defer to the surprisingly deep knowledge people on here have in regards to romance novels and simply agree to the fact that the text didn't seem like it's a part of some great work of art.

Implying that erotic fictions aren't great works of art?
I mean, not saying it is ALL great work of art, but there is plenty of very good erotic novels written by very talented people, amirite?
Though whether it is fitting for 40k official fiction is another question.

**Crimson**

Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
PiñaColada wrote:
I will defer to the surprisingly deep knowledge people on here have in regards to romance novels and simply agree to the fact that the text didn't seem like it's a part of some great work of art.

Implying that erotic fictions aren't great works of art?
I mean, not saying it is ALL great work of art, but there is plenty of very good erotic novels written by very talented people, amirite?
Though whether it is fitting for 40k official fiction is another question.

Perhaps just implying that BL novels are not great works of art, even despite their steamy content?

**No wolves on Fenris**

Fifty shades of (Fenris) grey!

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**pm713**

the_scotsman wrote:
Holy cow, that reads like the internal monologue of a super-hot lady in a bad novel upon first meeting the author insert character.

"He was a novelist, with all the rugged handsomeness and confidence that came with that esteemed profession. I found my eyes exploring him like a mountaineer exploring a craggy peak. Six foot seven, carved abs visible under his tight t-shirt. A head of hair so full you could swear he was no older than 25, though I knew he was an incredibly verile 57. As an incredibly beautiful woman I felt myself impossibly attracted to tgis rugged rogue."

There are so many descriptive and yet all I picture is a bland vaguely man shaped blob.

**ClockworkZion**

pm713 wrote:
the_scotsman wrote:
Holy cow, that reads like the internal monologue of a super-hot lady in a bad novel upon first meeting the author insert character.

"He was a novelist, with all the rugged handsomeness and confidence that came with that esteemed profession. I found my eyes exploring him like a mountaineer exploring a craggy peak. Six foot seven, carved abs visible under his tight t-shirt. A head of hair so full you could swear he was no older than 25, though I knew he was an incredibly verile 57. As an incredibly beautiful woman I felt myself impossibly attracted to tgis rugged rogue."

There are so many descriptive and yet all I picture is a bland vaguely man shaped blob.

I feel like, at least in the contexts of romance novels, that's done intentionally so the reader can fill in the rest of the blanks with their own preferences.

**Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl**

Crimson wrote:
Perhaps just implying that BL novels are not great works of art, even despite their steamy content?

Possible.
Did I come out as aggressive? I didn't intend to, sorry.

**pm713**

ClockworkZion wrote:
pm713 wrote:
the_scotsman wrote:
Holy cow, that reads like the internal monologue of a super-hot lady in a bad novel upon first meeting the author insert character.

"He was a novelist, with all the rugged handsomeness and confidence that came with that esteemed profession. I found my eyes exploring him like a mountaineer exploring a craggy peak. Six foot seven, carved abs visible under his tight t-shirt. A head of hair so full you could swear he was no older than 25, though I knew he was an incredibly verile 57. As an incredibly beautiful woman I felt myself impossibly attracted to tgis rugged rogue."

There are so many descriptive and yet all I picture is a bland vaguely man shaped blob.

I feel like, at least in the contexts of romance novels, that's done intentionally so the reader can fill in the rest of the blanks with their own preferences.

A fair point but in the context of Primaris it's really bad.